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Tamyrlin: 2006-06-06
Scott, so is it your belief that what we see happening between Rand, Mat, and Perrin, is the same type of thing that was built into some of these ter'angreal? As in, some form of video-conferencing, which is in essence what is happening when they think of the other person, the colors maybe are akin to the signal of a television, as it clears. Or are you thinking that they are only similar in the idea that long distance "speaking", such by phone, will be what those ter'angreal allow? I wish I had KoD in the search engine, so we could quote those parts. Also, specific to Rand, Mat, and Perrin, do you believe it is a factor of their Ta'veren status, as in a Ta'veren Talent? Hmm...I wonder if I have seen the colors as television like signals, maybe I should write that up...
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Sarevok: 2006-06-06
I'm with you on number 1) and 2): I do believe that eavesdropping will be developed into a way of longdistance talking for channelers, and I think it also likely that the ter'angreal will be developed into a kind of phone, also for non-chanelers.
But I don't think the Ta'veren-colors will actually evolve much further, it was just a way to make things more interesting for us to read.
By the way, wouldn't this have been more at home in the "predictions" section?
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Dragonrider: 2006-06-07
Would this be something like "scrying" in other magic/fantasy novels? I really like this idea and I think RJ would see it as the perfect way to put a new spin on an old idea.
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Tamyrlin: 2006-06-07
Sarevok - Probably, I was in a nice mood during my review. :)
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Canan Urgas: 2006-06-12
i reckon that rand and moridin will communicate with each other via the balefire link. when rand sees moridins face, moridin sees rands, and they are both seeing the other in reality rather than just an image. when it says if they move a hairswidth and they will touch, i think something to do with that will allow them to communicate
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WinespringBrother: 2006-06-13
There are already 2 proven ways of long distance communication, that may go back into vogue: dreamwalker chats (like the Wise Ones) and gateways.
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Canan Urgas: 2006-06-19
gateways dont let u communicate they let you move. but i bet the way aes sedai eavesdrop with the power could be used-if two aes sedai (or ashaman of course) use this and target each other, theyve got a way of speaking over a distance, although they would still need to be able to see the other to target them with the weaves
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Karede: 2006-06-20
I don't agree with point one or three.
It would be too difficult for an Aes Sedai or Asha'man to precisely target another channeler over long distances and have the strength to extend a weave that far. If one is that strong and knows where the other channeler is, simply make a gateway and step through to have a nice, normal conversation. Also comunication across long distances by a weave would be subject to eavesdropping by any channeler along the path of the weave.
I do agree that some ter-angreal will certainly serve this purpose. In the AOL it seems that many ter-angreal were used to do things that technology serves in our current society.
The colors seem to have reached their extension as far as communication. The only possible benefit that I can see for them is knowing when the others are in trouble, such as when Perrin has to be there for Rand according to Min's viewing.
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Davian93: 2006-07-05
****The colors seem to have reached their extension as far as communication. The only possible benefit that I can see for them is knowing when the others are in trouble, such as when Perrin has to be there for Rand according to Min's viewing. ****
The colors are a specific link generated by the Pattern between the 3 ta'veren central to rebalancing the Wheel. I don't believe they have anything at all to do with any ter'angreal. Rand, Mat, and Perrins' threads are so interwoven and the situation is so unique that it is its own creation not something to be duplicated.
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Sampson: 2006-07-07
What about the weave Sammuel and Graendal used to speak with the Shaido wise ones? I do not think it was a terangreal, but I could be wrong.
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El Bogarto: 2006-07-09
Sampson,
Sammael used a pair of ter'angreals which are called callboxes.
Moridin has a third. Also, according to him, only those three survived the breaking.
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Karede: 2006-07-11
**The colors are a specific link generated by the Pattern between the 3 ta'veren central to rebalancing the Wheel. I don't believe they have anything at all to do with any ter'angreal. Rand, Mat, and Perrins' threads are so interwoven and the situation is so unique that it is its own creation not something to be duplicated.**
I agree, but I dont understand what that had to do with my comment though.
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Bob the Ogier Builder: 2006-07-19
Seems kind of silly. I don't see why they should all be trying so hard. Why not just open an inch-wide Traveling gate a foot from the ear of whomever you want to talk to?
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Karede: 2006-07-20
*Seems kind of silly. I don't see why they should all be trying so hard. Why not just open an inch-wide Traveling gate a foot from the ear of whomever you want to talk to? *
What about non-channelers? That's where I think the Aes Sedai will make ter-angreal that can take care of it for them.
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robbocop: 2006-07-27
In any war, in fact team sports as well, the most vital thing is communication. Messages need to be relayed quickly and clearly or the s**t hits the fan. In TG communication will be needed because they are taking the battle to enemy grounds, unfamiliar to them and I doubt the DO will allow them time to get to know the terrain and hatch a plan. Plans will have to be made prior to Travelling that will be difficult because they don't know the layout of the field of engagement. There is no point saying, "OK you attack from the south, and attack from the west, and I'll come in from the north" without knowing if there will be a mountain or gorge in the way. Having just one legion blocked from, or slowed down on their arrival could and most likely willlead to disaster. They don't know the area so they can't just travel straight to the pit of doom. They will need to arrive a destination a fewmiles away so they can examine the terrain on the march and as best as they can, choose their ground.
Using the OP to communicate is out of the question exceptin extreme cases because making the weave to communicate and making weaves to fight at the same time will take to much effort and they'll tire quickly. And the fact that none of the Asha'man, as far as I know, have cooked up a way of communicating from afar, so only Aes Sedai could do it.
The items Avienda named will probablybe used. We saw that she has the talent to "read" ter'angreal and we saw how far that talent extended, even in early development, even if Elayne did not. From what we saw with the statue of the man holding a book,she can not only tell you what ter' angreal do but can work them (remeber she even said that one was activated using a song but she didn't know or didn't say what it did. I reckon its a ter'angreal for growing the Nimh and its the tinker's lost song that activates it). So she will be able toshow everyone how they work sothey can use them.
As for the swirling colours and video conferencing, I don't think it workslike that, though there'sno evidence either way. I think they can just see eachother at that exact time and that will helpwith communication as well. All Rand has to do is tihnk, "I wonder how Perrin'send is doing" and he'll see.
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tworiverswoman: 2006-08-22
The odds of them developing an effective means of long-distance communication between now and Tarmon Gai’don are very slim, without an assist from someone who already knows one. Like, for instance, LTT. Or even Semi, though I count her as REAL unlikely to contribute any assistance in this regard.
But if LTT were to murmur in Rand’s ear, “You know, in MY day we had devices that were easy to use and not that difficult to make that let us talk to someone directly, no matter how far away. Let me show you…†Of course, this assumes he recognizes the need and is rational enough to realize he can help. Not really all that probable. But POSSIBLE.
I have found it mind-boggling that all three men have refused to pay any attention to these visions that they’re having of each other. They all three recognize them as real, and current, but they IGNORE them. If they don’t serve more purpose in Book 12 than they have up to date, then I can’t imagine why RJ bothered to wave them in front of us to begin with.
One thing they WILL do, I hope, is enable the three of them to have a clear idea of what the others are doing during battle. Possibly even let them know where on the field the others are.
Someone offered me a very funny visual joke once, of Rand sitting in a chair somewhere with a big banner behind his head that said, “Hey, Mat. Perrin. Get your butts down here. I need you,†for the next time they “tune in†thoughts of Rand.
All three ta’veren are fairly close to each other, by the end of KoD. The needs of the Pattern will doubtless draw them together soon enough.
“Disreputable people…†Heh. Actually, if Rand ever troubles to think about it, he has already SEEN Tuon in one of his visions of Mat. She was mentioned in the scene description. And now that he’s seen Semirhage in her “Tuon†illusion, he might recall that. Or not.
Mis-communication on a large scale is one of the themes in this series. RJ is not going to suddenly make life simple for our heroes. I’m inclined to doubt the likelihood of the sudden discovery of reliable, easy, long-distance two-way communication.
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gohan: 2006-10-02
It is not a good idea to develop eavesdropping into a long-distance communication because someone might discover the weave and then tap it. Besides, it is better to talk in person, which was solved by Traveling.
The ter'angreal in Elayne's chamber probably have a "twin" to allow communication or maybe it only works to those it was attuned to.
The Rand-Mat-Perrin communication must be a Taveren thing which is the Wheel's doing.
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Anubis: 2006-10-04
**It is not a good idea to develop eavesdropping into a long-distance communication because someone might discover the weave and then tap it. Besides, it is better to talk in person, which was solved by Traveling.**
Not everyone can Travel, even among channelers. Also, from what we know of the AoL it is possible for non channelers to use Ter'angreal that enable communication over long distances. Sure, talking in person is better, but it isn't always an option, even with Traveling.
Also, the whole "it is not a good idea to develop this science or technology because someone might..." attitude disgusts me.
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BigBlade: 2006-10-23
Channelers weak in the power could make smoke signals. =D
We dint start the FIAH
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vardene: 2006-10-31
scotty,
i think it was graendal and sammmel that used a device to communicate and locate the shaido w.ones, so there are people alive who know how to use them, semi and LT may be able to as well.
On avi's successes with the terangreal, i believe it is the effect of being linked to elyane. This may be the first time that two women who can channel have linked each other in such a fashion.
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Dragons Shadow: 2006-11-21
I submitted a theory a few years ago titled "Taveren Video Conference" that touched on this. I still believe that the flashes will become essential in the rush to the last battle. They will provide all three with important information in "real time" when they need it.
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Bird: 2007-02-18
I like this theory because I had wondered about it myself.
Like many others I wonder why Rand, Mat and Perrin don't pay more attention to their visions of each other. They seem to want to repress them because they are always busy thinking about and doing other things. However, I wonder what would happen if two or all three of them were to think about each other at the same time.
When it comes to contact over long distances with the one power, I agree that it seems unlikely that any two channelers would be able to locate each other over long distances in order to communicate. However, people who are bonded to each other with the Warder bond can sense each others location. Perhaps these links could be used to establish a more sophisticated link that can transmit words as well as feelings.
At the very end of Knife of Dreams Chapter 31:
Run Birgitte, Elayne thought wishing the bond could carry words. Run!
