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by Coreleigh: 2001-06-06 | Not yet rated

Previous Categories: Rebels vs. White Tower

Since Rand has cleansed the taint on Saidin, what use is the Red Ajah now? Their sole purpose is to hunt down and gentle men who can channel. Now that the taint is gone, male channelers won't be a threat anymore and won't need to be hunted down like animals. Also, after Logain's charges against the Red Ajah about setting up false Dragons, rather close to the charges that got Siuan stilled, the Red Ajah probably will be expelled from the Tower. Also, does it strike anyone else as strange that most of the Black Aes Sedai seem to be Red Ajah also? In fact, the only two Red sisters that we have met that aren't Black seem to be Elaida and Teslyn. Someone mentioned the "Great Purge" from Egwene's testing for accepted.

The Tamyrlin's response said that a Great Leavetaking was more likely once the hunt for the Black Ajah in the Tower becomes known. If this is the case, I think that the Red Ajah will see a marked weakening of their numbers. I seem to remember (but I could be wrong or mixed up a little, since I haven't gotten that far on my current rereading) that Galina Casban who headed the Tower's delegation to Rand and also Black Ajah was the head of the Red Ajah. I think that based on all of these things that we are about to see a major crumbling of the Red Ajah.

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Tamyrlin: 2001-06-06

Although, the White Tower Aes Sedai might think that it is a ploy, and I don't know how they can prove it. Well, maybe the Aes Sedai who have bonded Asha'man will be able to sense it, and then they could testify to it...otherwise, how can the women ever be sure?

Callandor: 2002-12-30

The biggest Ajah is the Red so that could be a factor into the Black Ajah thing but I frankly think that its just like you said. As for how it can be proved saidin is cleaned.... In WH in the mixed gender circles the women who channeled sadin through the men still felt the taint although didnt get any maddening effects (as far as we know). So all they have to do is get those women who linked and say hey its cleaned. They could describe the feeling best they could before the taint was cleaned to the other aes sedai and then they could join the link and see for themselves that its clean. Not totally air tight but possible.

Weird Harold: 2003-03-25

******COT SPOILER******

Cadsuane asked Marise if the Taint was really cleaned.

The response: " I think so, but who can tell anything for sure about the turmoil that is Saidin?" (OWTTE)

As far as I know, the only tme they linked with tainted Saidin was at the cleansing, and their unfamiliarity with the nature of Saidin make a positive assessment impossible.

Mairan Sedai: 2003-03-25

After a while, they would see that men who can channel aren't going mad anymore, but I think that would take more time than our heroes have. Then and only then would there be no more Red Ajah.

In addition to Elaida and Teslyn, aren't Pevara and Toveine Red as well? There are also several others, but I don't think they have a very major part.

nowhere man: 2003-05-09

I wouldn't count them out entirely just yet. Here's how it stands as I see it:

Certainly, the Red won't continue with its mission statement of "find and exterminate men who can channel". But there still may be a place for it if the members can step back and refocus a little.

Each ajah was originally born of a different need in the world.

White = cool logic in the face of a Breaking, etc.

Gray = diplomacy and peace among nations.

Brown = preserve and catalog knowledge.

Yellow = medicine and healing.

Green = stand ready to fight the large fights.

Red = protect the world from current threats.

Blue = take care of any other miscellaneous things that need doing.

Granted, these days the Red has narrowed its focus a lot -- justifiably, I believe -- but I think there is still a place for their sort of proactive "let's go fix problems now" mentality where the Green mostly waits for some large scale problem.

As to whether many of the current AS would see things that way, well that's another matter entirely.

One more thing -- I think it's possible Elaida's name will go down in the history books, in the "good" list. Likely, once the tower is reunified, it will pretend that the whole split never happened, except in the secret histories. That will necessarily also cover up many of Elaida's more questionable deeds. In any event, whatever such things Elaida has done, she has also (inadvertantly?) precipitated a serious and legitimate Black hunt in the tower. Eradicating the Black is something the tower would probably love to advertise to the world, and Elaida's name will likely be attached to it. (That would also make it hard to explain how the entire Ajah associated with such a hero mysteriously vanished, but the AS are pretty good at manipulating what the world knows.)

Callandor: 2003-05-10

If anything, the Tower would classify any knowledge of the Black Ajah, they dont want the world to doubt them at all. So I dont think Elaida will be that famous.

Frenzy: 2003-07-01

The Red is the largest Ajah, and considering how close to the vest the Tower plays, i doubt they'll be expelled. Restructured, though, most definitely. i run a WoT-based RPG set in the future, and i have the Red Ajah as recruiters: scouring the countryside looking for prospective channelers. They're still as ornery and cliquish as before, that's for certain. i chose this role for my game because i thought it was the most plausable, especially since the Rebel camp can see how successful it is to openly recruit & enroll prospects, instead of waiting for them to come to you.

And there are quite a few Red sisters identified and not confirmed Black. Among them are: Barasine, Covarla Baldene, Chisaine Nurbaya, Gyldan, Innina Darenhold, Janine Pavlara, Javindhra, Jenare, Laigain Arnault, Lemai, Memara, Pevara, Rubinde, Sashelle, Silviana, Tarna Feir, Tesien Jorhald, Teslyn Baradon, Toveine Gazal and Vayelle Kamsa.

Dams17: 2004-02-01

Yeah, I've got to disagree with you, especially about the Red Ajah having the most Black Aes Sedai. It really annoys me when people say that because it's a total myth.

The Green Ajah have at least four known Black Ajah and the Red have only three. This is the Green Ajah who are incredibly popular with most readers and yet seem to be even more crawling with Blacks than the Red!

I think the myth stems from the fact that people simply dislike and misunderstand the Reds. I mean who would like a group of women who hurt men so callously? Nonetheless, let us not forget that they have probably served one of the most important purposes (if not THE most!) in stopping the destruction caused from the Breaking from happening again. The problem is that people have just misinterpreted their dislike for men as a sign that they are unpleasant women. I for one can understand why you'd have to distance yourself from men to be capable of doing such a thing, not to mention the fact that a lifetime of dealing with such unpleasant business is sure to make them less than warm individuals in general. Personally, I actually have more respect and liking for the Reds than any other Ajah and I LOVE reading about them whenever RJ includes one in a chapter.

As for what I think will happen to the Reds - I believe that they're going to go down the route of Tarna's plans. They will at first bond Asha'man and their purpose will be to try and keep them under control but this will eventually evolve into something more righteous. They will study the effects of the taint and try to help those who were already under its influence, as well as trying to help the Asha'man catch up with the Aes Sedai. Clearly, the Asha'man are just boys compared to the three thousand year legacy and elite tests of the White Tower to raise someone to the level of Aes Sedai (and if you've read New Spring, you'll know what I mean about elite tests). The Red Ajah will be useful for many hundreds of years just to train Asha'man and make them see there is more to life than being weapons.

Oh and I agree with the person who says that Elaida will be remembered as being famous. I'm one of the few who has some sympathy for her - RJ makes people hate her but at the same time emphasises that she is an intelligent and formidable woman (see CoS Prologue, Alviarin's POV) so I think she is made for greatness. Just wait and see, by the end of the series, people will love Elaida!

dragonsceptor: 2004-02-02

I can't imaging anything that would prompt me to have any sympathy or like for either the Red Ajah in general or Elaida specifically. There may be a few characters, such as Pevara, that I like but they are few and far between. Maybe that is because I am a man!!!

Mairashda: 2004-02-02

while there ARE many reasons to dislike the red (elaida's mishandling of rand only one among those) one cannot deny that they are true to their one virtue: to go out into the world and find channelers, to gentle the male to bully the female into joining the tower. without the red the white tower would probably be even weaker by now. that many of those girls end up choosing the red, thus making the red the strongest ajah of them all is only a welcome side-effect and one of many reasons why the red will not vanish after the reunification of the tower, after the cleansing is accepted to be fact, after tarman gai'don.

no, the red will show surprising adaptability, maybe along the lines suggested by tarna, maybe...who knows?

the red after those changes will not be the red we know now, that is for sure: they might dedicate themselves to finding darkfriends (within the tower, in the whole world), they might take up recruiting as a full time job to ensure a strong tower. whatever their choices... thanks to tarna they will probably end up instrumental in integrating male channelers back into society, maybe even back into the tower...

Kinslayer: 2004-02-02

For the Red Ajah sympathisers, you are forgetting why Reds are disliked. They have a history of corruption and misuse of power. Lets not forget the only Amyrlin to ever stripped and stilled was a Red (the reason why Reds haven't held an Amyrlin office for decades). Lets not forget their treatment of Thom's nephew, Owen or setting up false dragons (Logain et al)to further their schemes.

Khaos: 2004-02-03

I can't say I remember anywhere it being said that the Red Ajah actively sought out girls who can channel. In fact the impression you get from the books is that none of the Ajah's are at all active in seeking out new novices. The Red's size I think is based on the vehement reaction suffered by most Randlander's at the thought of male channeller's. This reaction if anything is encouraged within the tower, not only i feel in a effort to stop the world from being broken again but also of a genuine fear of loss of power and influence if male channeller's are allowed to exist.

However speaking of the Red Ajah I can't see it surviving. I personally feel that by the end of the book all the current Ajah's will be dissolved and new ones founded to take there place with Aes Sedai and Asha'man being allowed to choose which they wish to belong to.

Anubis: 2004-02-03

the red ajah will change. it is the largest ajah and will have some sort of role to play. i cant see it being disolved completely, but i think that it will be in charge of reintegrating the men or somthing like that

dragonsceptor: 2004-02-03

Kinslayer, while I despise the Reds, you can't lay setting up false dragons at their feet. They did not do this. The reason people believe the did is because of Suian encouraging Logain to spread that sentiment. It is pretty clear that this rumor is not true and was simply a ploy by Suian to harm Elaida. It appears she has been more successful than she thinks. :>)

Callandor: 2004-02-03

dragonsceptor: 2004-02-04

**Actually, you can't go either way on it. The rumor started out as a lie; however, it seems to have hit a truth since the Reds haven't denied it..."

While the Red Ajah as a body has not denied it, prominent members of it have. We see the POV of both Elaida and Pevara dismissing this as a lie. In fact, Pevara is incensed when she finds out about the SAS who came to the tower to sow discontent and spread the rumor. If I remember right their rational for not publicly denying it is that they did not want to dignify it with a comment.

Secondly, I never meant to imply that the reads were good and pure. They have done some nasty stuff and I hope they pay for the things they have done. I simply wanted to point out that the Reds have done plenty of things to villify them for and there is no need to add something they did not do.

Mairashda: 2004-02-04

I can't find the exact book and chapter where it says that the reds actively seek out girls, but I think I remember one or the other character mentioning that one of the reasons for the red being the largest ajah is that reds actually are out in the world in force, testing girls wherever they think it necessary. anyway...i've just started rereading the books- It'll come up sooner or later.

Aelfinn: 2004-02-04

The Reds aren't all Darkfriends, but their society DOES make it easier for the DFs to take advantage of it.

Think the Seanchan. Nobody really likes them either, they aren't all DFs, but if one at the top was, it would be real stinking easy.

The Reds have to change. Someone said that all Reds end up having "a jaundiced view of men" because of their work. They're also discouraged from "forming friendships outside of their Ajah". The leadership is really screwed up.

Mairashda: 2004-02-05

oh, agreed. the reds deeply authoritarian structure does make it easy for them to become a tool of the shadow. interestingly this may also be one reason why reds and the blue don't get along with each other at all. the reds are strictly hierarchical while blues each have their own agenda. one would think that their opposite attitude towards men would make reds and greens the most likely enemies, and most of the time both don't hold much love for the other... but as opposed to red and blue red and green have been shown to be able to work with one another- the reds are great admirers of hierarchy, greens know of the necessity of military discipline. this is small common ground, but it is enough to start from...

Aelfinn: 2004-02-05

Okay, so what I said was kinda disoriented, but get what I mean?

Dragonsworn: 2004-02-05

I really don't see any good coming from the Reds. For one like all Aes Sedai, they are arrogant and feel that they always must be incontrol and are always pulling stings and manipulating. By being reds this natural Aes Sedai quality has amplified by alot(seen time and time again in every book)I also beleive that their are many more Reds b/c in most nations channeling is scorned, feared, hated not just in men but in women. This would make most chanellers angry with the hierarchy leadership, which in randland isnt always menm, bust most figure head leaders are men. Also, ill use an example from american history. during reconstruction many poor white farmers lost jobs due to the relaseas of slavery causeing them to scorn the blacks and eventually hate them even more, blaming them for thier predicament. I bleive all reds subconscously dislike all men b/c they feel that the reason why they are scorned is the male channelers fault, and jsut like white farmers set up the KKK, Reds hate and hunt all men.

I know that at before winters heart all men had to be (im gonna say severed b/c it sounds cooller lol), but Reds took it as the only important thing to do, not caring for the man who could channel or his family or friends or enire village. They have done to many dispcable things for their actions to be dismissed as something they had to. I mean cadsuane didnt just sever men, she tried to help them, she had a heart. Furthermore, you may consider this going to far but i think the majority of Aes Sedai not just Reds really are to ignorant, arogant, and petty to be any help at stoping the dark one. B/c of their policies, trying to make themsleves superior to everyoine, the black ajah has thrived9thanks to Aes Sedia persistance in its nonexistance), 100's of potentioally powerful channling women have been left untaught, societies like the Athuan Mier try to keep away b/c they know all Aes Sedai do is control.

Also there is a reason why the Wise Ones despise them, because they are so high and mighty they look down on every one(suin said there are aes sedai and then there is everyone else) they scorn there own members and force them to go into exile if they are accidnetly severed or stilled whatever. Im just saying unless Egwene can make every Aes Sedai change there attitude(which im starting to think is unlikly b/c as of late shes been taking on the same tendencies of arogance and ignorance they all have) or unless they all bend knee to rand( also unlikly) They are going to but hold rand back, hurt him or hindr him in Tarmon Gaidon. (EXPECIALLY THE REDS). their are a few exceptions though. I do feel that Moriane learned the errors of her ways, she knows( to late though) that AeS Sedia attitud e will only hurt rand, Cadsuane may troy to manipulate, but i bleive she has a good heart and is sincere in her efforts. Nynaeva is the coolese girl in the book( although if i was mat i would freak out everytime i saw her lol)

Kinslayer: 2004-02-06

** Kinslayer, while I despise the Reds, you can't lay setting up false dragons at their feet. They did not do this. The reason people believe the did is because of Suian encouraging Logain to spread that sentiment. It is pretty clear that this rumor is not true and was simply a ploy by Suian to harm Elaida. It appears she has been more successful than she thinks. :>) **

Dragonsceptor, maybe you've read something I've missed while reading the series, but i have always read Siuan wanting Logain alive to expose Elaida and the Red Ajah of their schemes. It's a strong reason for a stilled Suian to go on living. I do not think someone in Suian's condition could come up with a reason strong enough to pull this plan off if it was fabricated. Do you have any reference in the books to imply this? I've checked every scene with Logain in tFoH and LoC and no where does it say this.

..and my assumption that previous false Dragons were set up by Aes Sedai (Reds) in tGH when Rand had an audience with Suian Sanche and reaffirmed that he won't be used as a false dragon like Darksbane, Davian, Stonebow, Amalasan for the White Tower. Rand received this knowledge from Ishamael's constant taunting in tEotW and later by Thom.

a dragonburned fool: 2004-02-06

Do not take the consideration below as any kind of sympathy to the Red Ajah from my side, actually I dislike that Ajah. But let us, Red-Ajah-haters, make our antipathy reasonable and not marked by uncontrolled emotions. For the Red Ajah is not to be accused in been darkfriends Ajah, or needless fools, they have enough normal characteristics to hate them for. So some considerations regarding Coreleigh's theory:

1. Darkfriends are everywhere, and in the Red Ajah there are psychological reasons present for Red sisters to become black, and the last Red Head being Black is also an important factor... BUT: if one looks more carefully, it could be seen, that the greatest number of truly, faithfully anf rightfully ddicated fighters against the Shadow among the Aes Sedai, are to be expected to be found in the Red Ajah. There are lot of different reasons for an Ajah to be greater then other Ajah, but the most significant reason mentioned in the books is the number of Accepted wanting to dedicate themselves to that particular Ajah. Why so many girls would want to join the Reds with their required ascetics, their too unconvenient conspiracy and restrictments, and the most unhappy life they offer to their recruits in relation to any other Ajah? Because the Red Ajah gives to the girls the best opportunity to SERVE (AS are litterary "sevants of all" after all) and to feel they are serving, the best way to begin a life of dedication. Why a woman like Pevara chose exactly the Reds after darkfriends killed her family and she decided to fight the shadow all her life? Why she didn't chose the "battle Ajah" to which her personal attitude was so close? But no, for to fight the shadow she chose the Red, not the Green, she chose the Red, whose wellknown rules of behavior were so far from what Pevara is psychologically. The best answer is, that the Red Ajah has the reputation of the logical choice for one wanting to dedicate herself to fight against the Shadow. Unlike the Green Ajah, the Reds are supposed to fight the Shadow not when the Last Battle comes (may in not come), but now and in particular. I cannot believe Pevara is the only case of such choice. Pevara's friends explain her choosing the Red with her dedication to fighting for Light and they use that explanation as completely understandable. The Red and Green Ajahs are the greatest because they incorporate in the best way the major tasks of WT's existance, i.e. the ideas that can make girls be enthusiasted to come in the Tower, and after them to chose an Ajah according to their enthusiasm. The Green dedication is to be ready for great tasks in unknown future, the Red dedication is to serve now. That makes the situation with the Red Ajah very similar to the situation with the Whitecloaks: there are darkfriends there, and no reader wonders they are there, because the both organization are prone to breed cruel fanatical persons. But they are also organizations flooded with honest Light fanatics ready to sacrifice everything for fighting against the Shadow, and if possible, to fight now. IMO there are no more reasons to state that the Red Ajah is a DF-organization, then to state that about the whitecloaks.

2. The Red Ajah doesn't become needless after the Cleansing. Not only because it is the greatest Ajah. Their idea cannot become obsolete so easy, because they are too dedicated. What makes an Ajah needed is not a function, for all AS are supposed to fulfil the tasks of every Ajah, and every particular Ajah could vanish without it's function to be losed for the Tower, for there are enough sisters in other Ajahs doing the same and skilled for it. What makes an Ajah unique is not specialization but dedication. When the reason for a dedication becomes obsolete, normally a dedicated organization suffers, loses followers, but after an while it reforms slightly it's creed for to save it's dedication the same. What is the dedication of the Red Ajah? To persecute men? Yes, but that was the consequense of their main purpose: to prevent chaotic saidin-usage and breaking of the world effects. After the Cleansing (if the Reds realize that such an event happened) the old way to accomlish that function changes, but the task remains, and new problems occur: the relations agains the Black Tower. High-ranked Reds as Tarna and Pevara begin to reform the Red creed in that directio. Do they success? I cannot answer, they have not the best way to approach now. More likely they would cause more problems with their attempts. But whatever results they will have, the Reds have a future in that attempts they will no doubts make with they time-proven and well-trained dedication.

3. The most reasons to dislike the Red Ajah are very similar to the reasons people dislike govermental secret services in general. Not that the Reds have the function of a secret service, but they share some principle in motivation and how they look to their own operations and the public opinion to them. The Red kind of dedication is very similar to the dedication supposed to ones who want to become agents of secret services. And the Reds react like the secret services against the public opinion against their actions and plans. It's normal for secret services (especially for effective ones) to be prone to power misuse, just because the combination of secrecy, extraordinary powers and the cruel situation they have to deal with. The same is the situation about the Red Ajah. These disadvantage are very real and serious. But when ddisliking (with right) that disadvantages, it's to be regarded that the reasons to found and support (or join) organizations like the Red Ajah are also similar to reasons to found, support (or join) secret services - some of that reasons are reasonable, and some even good.

Davian93: 2004-02-06

I think it is more of a lucky coincidence than a thought out plan that the Red Ajah set up men as false dragons. I dont think Siuan had any prior knowledge of Red Ajah planning when she came up with her scheme to take down the Red Ajah and through them Elaida. Remember Siuan's reason for staying alive was to make Elaida pay for her crimes. Using Logain to take out the Red Ajah was a way to do this. The fact that the Red Ajah most likely was actually responsible was just a lucky coincidence. Remember the head of the Red Ajah is Black so the Shadow has been directing the Ajah for at least as long as Galina was in charge. Being in control of the red ajah was the most convienient way for the Shadow to hunt down and kill the dragon. The Red Ajah's policy of gentling the men on the spot was most likely an outgrowth of this influence from the Black Ajah.

As for Rand learning from Balazamon that the Tower had set up all the other false dragons, lets consider the source.

Balazamon/Ishy/Moridin's not exactly the most trustworthy guy in the world and he has all the reason in the world to bend the truth to convince Rand. That being said, I think it more likely that the Black Ajah working through the Red would really be responsible for any such actions. Just my opinion on that, I really have nothing concrete to back it up right now.:)

Mairashda: 2004-02-07

no, I can't see the red setting up false dragons either. sure, there is more prestige in bringing down a false dragon than there is in taking some poor shmuck from his village and gentling him... but look at the facts: the red has been doing exactly the opposite when they found a male wilder: sometimes they just couldn't wait and had him gentled on the spot- no need to take them all to tar valon and one more breaker of the world got rid of. quick.

dragonsceptor: 2004-02-07

Kinslayer, I will look for the relevant quotes this weekend. However, you aren't going to find them in her discussions with Logain. Logain actually believes that the reds set him up. This is because of Suian putting ideas in his head and pointing him a way to get back at those he saw as hurting him. You see it in her thoughts when talking to the Salidar council and when talking to Leane. She was trying to find something to galvanize the SAS into fighting against Elaida. The thing that kept her going was getting back at Elaida. The story about the Reds setting up the false dragons was a means to bring down Elaida. It is also significant to note that because she had been severed, she was not bound by the three oaths and was perfectly free to lie through her teeth. Later on, Egwene comments that Suian has taken full advantage of her ability to lie.

Him-who-may: 2004-02-08

I always thought that in replacement of hunting channeling men the purpose of the Red Ajah would become darkfriend hunting, both inside the tower and out. Much like the Children of the light (in theory at least).

An example would be like Pevara, the red who along with Seaine (a white) began the search for Black sisters under Elaida's instructions. She is told to like men, even supporting the idea of Red's having warders, but hates darkfriends as they killed her family. She chose red because she thought that would give her the best chance to hunt darkfriends.

Mairashda: 2004-02-08

Pevara, yes thats the name now that you mention her... she may become the ideal new red, as opposed to... say elaida or galina who are much more traditional. "policing" duties could replace the reds hunt for male channelers, though it would not necessarily make them much more popular.

hobo: 2004-05-23

I don't know if this possibility has ever been considered, but maybe this time the Dark One's counterstroke after being defeated and re-sealed could be to taint saidar. I for one, would love to see the tables turned on the Red Ajah and have them being hunted and and stilled by male channlers.

snakes-n-foxes: 2004-05-24

Reds will have their purpose after it's learnt that Saidin is clean...but their current purpose will change to a new one...what that new purpose may be is anyone's guess.

As for whether or not the reds set up false dragons...if I remember right, suian...who was freed of the oaths, could lie, and she wanted the reds to pay for what they did to her...logain was a lie. But to the problem of the Reds not openly denying it...there is no doubt that if such a scheme existed, that it would not have been the whole of the red ajah involved (after all...they all agree to the end goal, but may not agree to how it is reached).

Therefore some red ajah could deny knowledge or involvement, but not the whole red ajah....what this means is...anything so far is inconclusive...it started off as a lie, but may, or may not, be truth.

Now..as to whether or not Reds hold the highest percentage of black ajah. My thought is that it has always been likely...their environment is conducive to it...they don't bond warders, they are cliche (which normally means they think they are better than others), they are known to be arrogant, they look down on men, and they like to be in control...now, none of these things means they MUST be black ajah...but again...the environment is conducive to being black. (after all, a Black either wants to Rule over others, being in control, be immortal, get revenge, etc etc).

Anubis: 2004-05-24

i think that the reds will end up bonding asha man. it was already suggested by a high ranking red and it does make sense. they are the ones with the most experiance handling male channelers, and that would gradually lead to acceptance of men back into the mainstream while giving the aes sedai somthing to do.

Brendan Reborn: 2004-05-24

The way I see it, is that, even though the taint has been cleansed, the madness recieved is still there. I don't think the red ajah will be able to beleive the taint is gone, until all the mad channelers are destroyed, or maybe not even at all. It will take a number of years to finally have the reds numbers dwindle.

hobo: 2004-05-24

In addition to being the largest Ajah, the Reds have the most experience combatting/gentling male channelers. Therefore, the Reds might be the Tower's best defence against the male dreadlords at the last battle.

mako0424: 2004-05-25

As hard as it is to believe, the REds are still the most popular Ajah within the Tower, and they serve many useful purposes.

I have to disagree when it is said all Reds are Black, no way. But i also think there purpose will change drastically, to somethingt along the lines of hunt Blacks and darkfriends bond asha'man, and unify new Aes Sedai tower, and Hall of Servants.

Randland is about to reach a level previously seen during the Age of Legends, in both channeling potentials and strength, and sheer numbers, while their technology increases too.

snakes-n-foxes: 2004-05-25

oh, I forgot to add...the great purge has already started. It may be slow at the moment, but it will gather momementum until every sister has been tested.

(and I didn't say every red is black :)

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