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Tamyrlin: 2003-03-31
I guess that is the point I have argued. If she knew that she was going to be captured then I am sure her previous moves, like sharing the cuendillar plans, were motivated by that. I don't think that the cliff hanger at the end of Book 10 will ever be irrelevant. Jordan made that moment and much of the next book will extend from it. The rebels will be in an uproar, the White Tower will be going nuts, the Black Ajah will discover it is being hunted and creating plans of destruction, Gawyn will probably hear of Egwene's capture and attempt to rescue her...and just then the Seanchan may attack. The culmination of what Egwene saw in her trip through the Ter'angreal doorways is the next logical step...which again makes me wonder if the Black Ajah have Egwene, or maybe they will take her in the confusion.
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Galadriel: 2003-03-31
I didn't mean to imply that Egwene's capture was irrelevant. I simply meant that who her captor is would become irrelevant to the ensuing action. Or maybe just pale in comparison. In the sense of character revelations who holds her may be very important.
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Shadowstalker: 2003-05-02
To me, because the two dreams came one after the other, they are closely linked. I think that they will both be connected to the same event.
IMHO, the Seanchan woman is definately Egeanin. It doesn't matter WHO captured Egwene (well, it does, but work with me), the dreams tell me that Egeanin will rescue her.
*Together, we can make it to the top.* (Was that it?) This could mean that Egeanin will help Egwene in her seige on the WT by assisting an alliance of sorts between the rebel Aes Sedai and the Seanchan. Together, the Aes Sedai and the Seanchan will heal the WT, making themselves ready to lead the war against the Shadow on TG. This would also explain the dream involving the Seanchan attack on the WT.
I think Egwene could see this coming because of her dreams, so perhaps she planned to allow herself to be kidnapped.
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spearmaiden: 2003-07-03
I like the idea of the Seanchan attack freeing her. It occurs to me that Egwene could use that opportunity to leave, even surrounded by damane, because she now knows how to mask her ability to channel thanks to Moggy.
So, the Seanchan come in, take over the WT, make all the Aes Sedai into damane. They put Seanchan rules into practice, Egwene masks her ability, says her vows, and strolls out of the city to reunite with the rebels and get them away. The rebels are left as the only AS.
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Callandor: 2003-07-03
If anything that would kill the AS more then they already are. A battle with the Seanchan in Tar Valon (or surrounding area) and a total AS victory would unite the Tower to new levels. If all the AS but hte rebels got turned damane, thats almost 300 addition damane for Seanchan use also the other ones already there.
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Mairashda: 2003-07-04
I like the idea of egwene getting out of this by simply masking her ability. but this is only going to help her as long as nobody tests her using the a'dam. it still worked on moghedien...
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Weird Harold: 2003-07-05
Mairashda said, "I like the idea of egwene getting out of this by simply masking her ability."
She has one small problem to overcome before this is possible -- Forkroot Tea.
Egwene was given enough Forkroot to knock her out quickly, so it's going to be unable to mask her ability (or use an inverted disguise to get past those who know her by sight) for about four to six hours. By that time, she'll be in a cell or under guard and probably swallowing a second dose of Forkroot.
simply walking out disguised and masked also avoids her dream of Seanchan woman helping her to the "top" (of the tower? or maybe the top Dragonmount where noone has ever successfully gone?)
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Mairashda: 2003-07-05
well, yeah... the forkroot might be a problem there, it is quite possible that in the confusion of an attack her dose might be... misplaced, her shielders distracted... what does forkroot do as to the ability to channel registering with other channelers. could a forkrooted egwene seem like a non-channeler to a tsting sul'dam?
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Weird Harold: 2003-07-06
Mairashda asked,"what does forkroot do as to the ability to channel registering with other channelers. could a forkrooted egwene seem like a non-channeler to a tsting sul'dam?"
I don't know, although there's no reason to think that Forkroot would hide the ability to channel.
Egwene has another problem, even if it does -- she is known on sight by all of the Sul'dam who were at Falme. "Tuli" was made much of because of her strength and abilities in finding and working metal.
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Murrin: 2003-10-28
There is a pretty simple answer to the Forkroot problem - they cannot possibly question her or put her on trial while unconscious or even simply unable to move or talk. It will be necessary, once she's safely into one of those open cells we're told about earlier, to keep her shielded and conscious, because Elaida will want to get as much info from her as possible - but knowing her all the questions will be stuff like 'what are sheriams plans?', since she could never accept the concept of Egwene being a true Amyrlin and not a puppet.
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ranman38: 2003-10-28
Seems to me her abilities are quite well known. She was captured immediately after turning the harbor chain to cuendillar in an instant! I would think that would raise an eyebrow or two. And I agree with Tamyrlin, she knew she would be captured and because of her dream rescued. Where better to affect change htan inside the enemies camp. I am guessing she didn't completely count on the forkroot however. So, in short, I agree with this theory. ;)
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Turandil: 2004-04-12
Well, there is a way to escape even though shielded and/or drugged with forkroot. She could leave the White tower via TaR in the flesh, as she did when she travelled to Salidar.
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Callandor: 2004-04-12
**Well, there is a way to escape even though shielded and/or drugged with forkroot. She could leave the White tower via TaR in the flesh, as she did when she travelled to Salidar.**
No, a person cannot enter Tel'aran'rhiod while under the influences of Forkroot. It is a **dreamless** sleep that it puts you under; you are practically unconcious until the effects wear off. Egwene, or any other Dreamwalker under Forkroot, could not enter Tel'aran'rhoid because they have to enter the dream, and cannot do that from a dreamless slumber.
However, shielded or out of the effects of Forkroot, she could enter Tel'aran'rhoid. Thing is, would the Aes Sedai do this anytime soon?
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nowhere man: 2004-04-12
She did have to channel to create that T'A'R gateway.
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Oatman: 2004-04-12
Turandil, it takes a lot of effort not to call you every name under the sun.
1st off, you need to channel to enter TAR in the flesh, it is a weave similar to travelling.
2nd, Nyn said when she captured Mog that Forkroot puts you into a sleep so deep that it is impossible to use TAR.
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dwilson: 2004-04-12
I dont understand how the seanchan can even be looking to attack tar valon, even with access to raken, they just couldnt mount the numbers of men to be really effective, how many have they really got i know they were complaining of shortages with 8 pilots or like per raken. they cant have more than 2000 raken. so then they would have to fly every raken from altara over accross Andor/Murandy/Carhein, whilst avoiding the Ashaman, the borderlands Army, Mats army in murandy (i think its there - not 100% sure), Aeil in carhein and tear, the Armies camped around Camelyn and the AS rebels outside TV. Plus Elaida under duress has now ordered the Tower Guard increased, I just cant see it working, the lines of supply are too long with too many unknown factors/forces in between.
This is all assuming of course that they have not discovered how to travel, but I dont think they have otherwise why would the raken be flying around.
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Deadsy: 2004-04-13
Right. She can only enter T'A'R in the flesh if she can channel. They're not going to let her do that.
I think she'll enter T'A'R in her sleep sometime though. Maybe when she wakes up the first time she'll pretend she's still asleep. Then she can drift into normal sleep or half-sleep and enter it. (She's done that before. And while riding a horse).
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Turandil: 2004-04-14
Oatman.
Yes, thats right about forkroot, and I know that Egwene needed to channel when she entered TAR in flesh last time, but how about Luc/Isam?
He can enter TAR in flesh, and he can't channel.
