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he Beginning Foreshadows the Ending.

by Weird Harold: 2003-03-23 | Not yet rated

Previous Categories: Prophecies, Foretellings, and Talents



And it came to pass in those days, as it had come before and would come again, that the Dark lay heavy on the land and weighed down the hearts of men, and the green things failed, and hope died. And men cried out to the Creator, saying, O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the Promised One be born of the mountain, according to the prophecies, as he was in ages past and will be in ages to come. Let the Prince of the Morning sing to the land that green things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs. Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time.

(from _Charal Drianaan te Calamon, The Cycle of the Dragon._ Author unknown, the Fourth Age)

The quote above is the very first hint to the ending of the series, and, IMHO, should be revisited and analyzed in the light of an additional nine books.

Obviously it is couched in poetic language and heavy with symbolism and metaphor, but the additional information should help gauge the progress towards completion of the series.

"And it came to pass in those days, as it had come before and would come again, that the Dark lay heavy on the land and weighed down the hearts of men, and the green things failed, and hope died."

This first sentence clearly foreshadows developments in CoT at So Habor, but also seems to imply that those events are simply the beginning of the "darkness before the dawn." So Habor and the other indications of the "Dark laying heavy on the land" are relatively minor on a continent-wide scale. Hope has not yet died on a scale grand enough to be worthy of inclusion in an account from the Fourth Age.

I believe that this would imply that there is at least one more year before Tarmon Gai'don, or at least a summer of crop failures and famine.

One possible interpretation of "hope died" is that Rand will appear to die and therefore (temporarily) kill any hope of a victory by the Dragon Reborn?

"And men cried out to the Creator, saying, O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the Promised One be born of the mountain, according to the prophecies, as he was in ages past and will be in ages to come."

Our Fourth Age correspondent seems to have things out of order here. At the start of the series, there have been no cries for salvation or signs of the approach of T'G in the general populace. A few scholars and Aes Sedai have recognized signs and began making preparations, but nothing on the scale suggested by this poetic passage.

However, maybe he doesn't have the order of things wrong?

Perhaps events will evolve in such away that the general populace comes to believe that Rand is NOT the Dragon Reborn for a time and begin to pray for the "True" Dragon to be reborn? A convincing "Death" that removes Rand from public view for a time would certainly cause despair and lamentation among his supporters and chaos for the Forsaken's plans.

"Let the Prince of the Morning sing to the land that green things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs."

This line clearly suggests that at some point Rand (or one of the others) has to make the connection with his visions in Rhuidean and make use of Loial's Tree-singing ability and the Tinker's Song. Crop failures and famine should be the catalyst for this development, but, as of the end of CoT, there is no indication of a speedy fulfillment of this portion.

An alternate possibility, which may occur to Elayne, is Elaida's facility with making things grow out of season. Angreals, sa'angereals, Link Circles, and the inclusion of Asha'man in circles would provide sufficient One Power to duplicate the effects of the Seed-Singing Rand witnessed in Rhuidean.

"Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us."

An apparently obvious literal reference to Callandor. But I think it is more a metaphorical reference to Rand's changes to the laws of Tear and other places he controls to make Nobles and Commoners equal under the Law.

I don't think this portion has been completely satisfied. If the reference is to changes to the Law rather than a literal reference to Callandor, or Rand's skill with a sword, then there is a LOT more political consolidation that needs to take place to bring Order and Justice to all the lands.

For example, neither Rand nor the Seanchan -- the two forces bringing Order and Justice to the land -- have done anything (on-screen at least) in Bandar Eban or the rest of Arad Doman. The Borderlands and Almoth Plain are in turmoil that also needs to be resolved.

"Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time."

I think the final line is merely a poetic intro to the story, but I'm convinced that just from the clues in this first foreshadowing, there is at least another year or two left in the WoT before T'G.

I can't see any way to resolve the political and other implications in this fragment in less than a year of the story timeline. I expect that the time span covered by each of the last books will stretch out again to complete all of the preliminaries to Tarmon Gai'don.

There is a great deal of Wind left for the Dragon to ride.
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Tamyrlin: 2003-03-31

Could the reference to "Dragon riding again," be a direct correlation to the personality of Lews Therin winning control? Also, if Lews wins out, his personality would be extremely familiar with the "growing songs" and such necessary to bring about those changes to the Land. Maybe, in the darkest moments, Rand will become Lews Therin. Those are my thoughts.

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Anubis: 2003-04-12

something has always bothered me about the lewis therin = dragon equation. i dont think its entirely accurate. it is mentioned that lews didnt like the name dragon. i think that the third voice may be the dragon... or rand is as much the dragon as lews was. bah. dragon seems simple but ends up being really hard to define.

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anderwarrick: 2003-06-06

Anubis:

something has always bothered me about the lewis therin = dragon equation. i dont think its entirely accurate. it is mentioned that lews didnt like the name dragon. i think that the third voice may be the dragon... or rand is as much the dragon as lews was. bah. dragon seems simple but ends up being really hard to define.

Where does it say that LTT didn't like the name dragon? If thats true, then, maybe the people that didn't like LTT gave him the name of the dragon like the forsaken were given names. This kinda helps a thing i think i heard in the books. It goes something like this: good and evil are not so different when taken to the extremes.

That could mean that LTT might not have been as well loved as i thought. He might have been kind of like Rand is, with some people supporting him, some people trying to get power through him, plotting against him and such. Maybe most souls, when they are reborn aren't really close personalities, or situations. The similarities could be what is causing LTT voice to slip into Rand's head. hm. i think i might make a theory about this.

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Murrin: 2003-10-28

I believe it says somewhere that Dragon was a name given him by the people.

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Mad Tinker: 2003-10-28

(Ishy, speaking to LTT in tEotW prologue) "Yes, Betrayer of Hope. So men have named me, just as they named you Dragon, but unlike you I embrace the name."

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Anubis: 2003-10-29

thank ya tinker, i never remember exactly where i hear stuff... just that i do

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HunterofTrollocs: 2003-10-29

I don't agree with you Tamyrlin. I believe that when Rand 'dies' only one of his 'personalities' will die. Lews Therin Telamon will die and 'ride on the winds of time' again. Lews Therin is a soul, Rand alThor is a man, i believe there is a very large difference between the two.

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Tamyrlin: 2003-10-29

HunterofTrollocs: Rand and Lews Therin are merely names for the same soul. That soul has had many different names over the course of ages. In its current incarnation, Rand was its only personality. Then, do to various circumstances, the brain created a second personality, to accomodate the set of memories that correlated to Lews Therin's life. The soul is independent of the personality, and won't die, but one of the personalities might cease to be pertinent to the body in this life.

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Roland00: 2003-10-30

Tamyrlin: I disagree with you. I believe that the Dragon only has one soul, but has many personalities throughout the ages. Rand is the personality for this age, while Lews Therin is the personality for the Age of Legends. The brain did not create a Lews Therin personality to deal with Lews Therin's memories. Instead Lews Therin personality is just beginning to surface in these books.

The name Dragon Reborn represents the rebirth of the Dragon soul and the resurfacing of the Lews Therin personality. Lews Therin was named the Dragon not the Dragon Reborn even though the Dragon (both Lews Therin and Rand) have been reborn several times with the turning of the wheel.

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broon7: 2004-01-06

It's interesting that in the quote it says, "Let the Prince of the Morning etc. etc....", and in the next sentence it says, "Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn etc etc....". Is it possible that these are two different people. Prince of the Morning is significant I think. Lews Therin was known as Lord of the Morning not Prince, and Rand has been called that a couple of times. Could the Prince of the Morning be Rand's unborn child with Elayne, or with one of the other two women. And the last sentence, Let the Dragon ride again etc etc.....This could even be another person, Rand obviously. So we have the Prince of the Morning, the Lord of the Dawn and the Dragon. What do you all think?

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Arbryan: 2004-03-05

I believe that the Dragon riding on the winds of time ties into the Prophecy that tells Rand to live he must die.

Why not have Rand unable to win the last battle (maybe his wound, maybe the Shadow is too strong). Hope seems lost. Rand is slowly fading, the Shadow begins to win the war. Rand dies. The Shadow surges forward...and Mat blows the Horn. Lews Therin rides forth leading the Heroes of the Horn to stop the Shadow. Rand lives, because he died (his soul will continue on) and the Dragon rides on the winds of time.

The girls take Rands body away on the boat, though they know he will be born again when the Pattern needs the Dragon.

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matoyak: 2004-08-12

here's somthing for y'all to chew up. in one interview RJ was asked this question

Q= Is the dragon soul born every age or just at the advent and ending of the third age?

A= That soul is bound to the horn and to the wheel and is born in nondragon incarnations in OTHER ages to fit the pattern of that age.

that is not a direct quote from the interview but i have read that interview and that is the basic right question. btw the imphasis is mine. this means that the dragon is indeed a hero of the horn and is only the dragon or the dragon reborn in certain ages. .......whoops i've gotten off subject, but i hope i've given y'all somthin' to think about. :~)

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Flinnd: 2004-12-01

I think Arbryan might be onto something. Rand dying so he can be called back as a hero of the horn by Mat seems extremely possible. In and of itself... it seems like it may answer some prophecy, while giving Mat, as one of the legs of the tripod, a definite reason for NEEDING to be at the last battle. If Mat isn't there, then the horn isn't there, and Rand's death can't be capitalized on. Why would the last battle be dependent upon Rand coming back with the horn, though? Your guess is as good as mine... but perhaps if Rand seals the bore as a hero of the horn, it is healed at a deeper level due to his tie to T'A'R as a hero of the horn. That last part is pure conjecture, though. Now... the only thing we need to do is figure out how Perrin plays into that little scene to see the importance of the three taveren.

Just my 1/50th of a dollar.