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he Tar Valon Massacre

by Brendan Reborn: 2004-04-27 | Not yet rated

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Ok, I've been working on this theory for a while, and even though there are many theories about Tarmon Gaidon, this is the one to sum up everything.

Question: How does it end? How does RJ finish his world in two books? How are all the main plots going to be wrapped up?

The Scenario: Min says that "all seven of you are involved in this". Nynaeve is not there yet. Min later states that "she (Nynaeve) is part of it too"

Rand: Don't see much of rand lately. He is hiding from something...

Perrin: Traveling, looking for faile

Mat: Traveling, has DOTNM captive, anath there (she is semirage)

Egwene: Captured. In the white tower.

Nynaeve: we'll get to her

Moiraine: MIA

Lan: bonded to nynaeve and has a duty to his dead nation.

Thom: receieved note from moiraine earlier, also is with mat

Other Characters needing resolution:

Elayne: she is having kids, will not be a part of tarmon gaidon, battle wise

Padan Fain: he is still crazy as ever

Avhienda: pregnant, will not be able to fight in tarmon gaidon

Other key characters: Slayer, Suroth, Masema, Shaidar Haran, Moridin, the Aiel (shaido as well),

Ok. Here comes the good part. Rand is going to meet the "DOTNM" which we know isn't the real one. Suroth is a darkfriend, and she has the male a'dam. She will enslave Rand. We'll get back to that. Mat is traveling with the real DOTNM and we know that anath is sehmirage. Mat will figure out how to make cannons, to fulfill the illuminator dreams. Olver figures out how to beat the snakes and foxes game and thom, being the smart man he is, will formulate a plan. Anath (semi) will lead Mat into a trap, where the seanchan catch him, and bind him up naked. They will then carry him to the white tower, where they are about to attack(using mat;s cannon idea). Egwene has been captured by Elaida's supporters, and now that the tar valon gate is made of cuendillar, there is no way to save her through the harbor except traveling. She will be trialed by the hall and, they will plan to execute her. The Seanchan camp at this time will be encircling the Renegade Aes Sedai, and will overcome them, and use their aes sedai against the white tower in the attack too. Perrin will be chasing the shaido aiel looking for faile, and consequently, their traveling ter'angreal will take them where? To tar valon of course! Egwene will warn her friends in TAR, while perrin will be in the wolf dream (and Slayer will have to be defeated in the wolf dream). Perrin's reference to hopper (I must learn to fly before i get to the bottom) will be significant, and while Elayne and Nynaeve aren't to strong in TAR, they will be trapped by lanfear. Egwene will best lanfear and save them. The ashaman with perrin will rad the residue of the weaves of the shaido's traveling(a male forsaken made it), and let perrin and his army follow, masema reluctantly will too. Thom will save moirane. Obviously, Taim is bad, and he will be there, with logain to follow and fight against him. Lan will rally an army under the malkieri banner, and the borderland armies will all rally to him. The blight (left undguarded at this time) will be unusually quiet, until a huge army of trollocs and myydraal and dreadlords come out of it, headed for....you guessed it, tar valon. Lan will be there to meet it. The ghosts we see will be there (they are caused by fain guys, it's obvious) and he will be wanting to kill Rand. The Seanchan army descends on the white tower, while egwene is going to be beheaded. The Seanchan now have cannons, aes sedai prisoners, and a big army, with RAND ON A LEASH! All of these armies will be enclosing on each other in close proximity about the same time. Perrin will go to TAR and call all wolves for the "last hunt" and they will meet darkhounds :). The aiel fighting (looking for rand) will sing into battle. Mat escapes from the seanchan, and saves egwene from being killed. (they can't channel at him) Fain will be pissed because other people wanna kill him. Fain will kill Shaidar haran at this battle (he has incredible skills against myydraal and he could have only gotten stronger) Moridin will be "watching" all of this. All forsaken will be there of course, fighting and dying. Rand will see Moiraine, and go ape sh*t with the a'dam. The woman controlling it will be killed and he will be released. His death will be faked, as he disguises as a beggar. While the last battle rages on, the word will spread the he has died and all hope will be lost. Logain will stand up in his place and lead the world in a final battle against the shadow. rand will go to shayol ghul and he will fight fain and probably other important characters. In the end, Rand will be dead. We know this. But The three woman standing over a funeral bier will either ressurect Rand(contrary to popular belief) or We will be left clueless to rand's whereabouts. Loial will end up telling the story and spreading it. Rand's kids and lovers will be left to fight against the seanchan, who still are invading everywhere else. Ishy will still be "watching"....

That's it folks. I think it's decent and it sums up most of the major plots. There are some minor details I would have explained, but this theory is long enough already...Have at it.
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Tamyrlin: 2004-07-14

(Frenzy for Tamyrlin)
Jordan has said that he won't wrap up all the plots. So we're going to be left to dange on a few of them.
Let me touch on a few points of interest:
Mat's invention of the cannon ending up with the Seanchan is interesting. Not sure why they'd utilize it, since damane are so much more versitile and reliable.
I'm not convinced that Egwene was captured by Elaida's supporters. Mostly because Elaida doesn't HAVE many supporters these days. Everyone in the Tower has reverted back to Ajah loyalities. Plus the comment about Egwene's captors getting moe than they bargained for is telling.
I don't think anyone has so thoroughly written off the rebel Aes Sedai before. The Seanchan overrun them and leash the entire lot? What about Gareth Bryne's army?
The Shaido don't have Traveling ter'angrael. That was Sammael messing with them. So unless Perrin's group somehow makes a deal with Sevanna (or another option not yet explored) I don't see the Aiel getting to Tar Valon in time.
What purpose does Lanfear capturing Nynaeve and Elayne have? And why would Egwene be in any shape to face and best the Daughter of the Night in her realm?
How could an Army rallied to the Golden Crane get to Tar Valon in time? And how could there be any left to rally, with the Borderland Monarchs traveling with all but enough to guard the Blightborder? And why would those loyal enough to stay and guard the Blightborder jump ship to join Lan?
Fain is causing all the Ghost sightings?
Why would the Forsaken congregate at Tar Valon. All hell broke loose when Rand & Nynaeve used the Choedan Kal, and that still didn't draw all of the Forsaken to one place.
I'll leave the other points open for others to discuss.

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Callandor: 2004-07-14

**Rand: Don't see much of rand lately. He is hiding from something...**

In Tear, within sight of the Dragonwall, and is recoperating after the Cleansing and awaiting a truce with the Seanchan.

**Avhienda: pregnant, will not be able to fight in tarmon gaidon**

Avi is not pregnant. Besides Nynaeve Delving her in TPOD to Heal her wounds, and then the First-Sister ceromony with Elayne, if someone did not point out the pregnancy, her kids would be dead anyway.

**Mat: Traveling, has DOTNM captive, anath there (she is semirage)**

No, that is Selucia who is with Tuon and Mat. Anath is still (publicly) in the area of, if not the city, Ebou Dar, in seclusion mostly.

**She will enslave Rand.**

She might be able to put it on him, if he's dumb enough, but she can't channel, so it's useless to have her use it.

**Mat is traveling with the real DOTNM and we know that anath is sehmirage.**

Already pointed out, Anath is in Ebou Dar, not with Mat.

**They will then carry him to the white tower, where they are about to attack(using mat;s cannon idea).**

?

During a strike at the very heart of an enemy... you're going to drag a captured man? Why?

**Egwene has been captured by Elaida's supporters, and now that the tar valon gate is made of cuendillar, there is no way to save her through the harbor except traveling.**

There are bridges....

**She will be trialed by the hall and, they will plan to execute her.**

Still her possibly, but they only kill Darkfriends.

**The Seanchan camp at this time will be encircling the Renegade Aes Sedai, and will overcome them, and use their aes sedai against the white tower in the attack too.**

1. There are 30,000 Soldiers, led by Gareth Bryne, 300 Aes Sedai, a bunch of Warders, 21 Accepted, and 987 novices....

2. The Seanchan's furthest extent north, is in Almoth Plain, roughly 1000 miles from the White Tower.

3. The entire plan (at least the practical one we have come up with), is for a STRIKE at the White Tower itself; not an all out army, like the rebels, of Seanchan coming and laying seige to Tar Valon.

**Perrin will be chasing the shaido aiel looking for faile, and consequently, their traveling ter'angreal will take them where? To tar valon of course!**

Perrin is in northern Altara, and the Shaido do not have any knowledge of Traveling, and Traveling boxes do not exist (as Frenzy already said). The Shaido move on foot. They are about 1000+ miles from Tar Valon. They ain't coming there, unless another Sammael pops up and doupes them.

**Thom will save moirane.**

Talk about a simplification....

**Obviously, Taim is bad, and he will be there, with logain to follow and fight against him.**

.... Why is Taim at Tar Valon? He's a bad guy (not confirmed, but it bloody well should be), but he pretty much spends his time in the Black Tower by Caemlyn, and I don't know of any reason beyond Forsaken orders for him to go to Tar Valon.

**Lan will rally an army under the malkieri banner, and the borderland armies will all rally to him. The blight (left undguarded at this time) will be unusually quiet, until a huge army of trollocs and myydraal and dreadlords come out of it, headed for....you guessed it, tar valon.**

That would take some time for them to push that far south, even if the Blightborder is totally unguarded.

**The ghosts we see will be there (they are caused by fain guys, it's obvious) and he will be wanting to kill Rand.**

Please explain that more.

**Mat escapes from the seanchan, and saves egwene from being killed. (they can't channel at him) Fain will be pissed because other people wanna kill him.**

I thought you said Mat was naked?

**Fain will kill Shaidar haran at this battle (he has incredible skills against myydraal and he could have only gotten stronger)**

Agree with you there, but not at the battle location.

**The woman controlling it will be killed and he will be released. His death will be faked, as he disguises as a beggar.**

In the middle of a battle....

**While the last battle rages on, the word will spread the he has died and all hope will be lost.**

Pretty fast news traveling....

**rand will go to shayol ghul and he will fight fain and probably other important characters.**

~Throws up hands~

1. How did Fain get there from Tar Valon?

2. What other important characters?

**In the end, Rand will be dead.**

How does he die?

**But The three woman standing over a funeral bier will either ressurect Rand(contrary to popular belief) or We will be left clueless to rand's whereabouts.**

Once a person is dead, their dead. No miraculous rebirth, no spectacular out of nowhere Healing weaves used by Nynaeve and Flinn, nothing.

Once Rand is dead, he's dead.

**Ishy will still be "watching"....**

So, then the world is doomed... Lovely.

**There are some minor details I would have explained**

Please do.

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Strongbow: 2004-07-22

don't see why the ghosts are caused by Fain?+ Egwene dreamed (and understood) that it was a Seanchan that was going to save her, and what about Gawyn,(Personally I believe she is going to try and control Gawyn through his dreams to try and get him to free her). And what about the rest of the Ashaman and the ideas of them linking with the Aes Sedai as mentioned by more than afew in CoT.

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Oatman: 2004-07-26

As much as I disagree with most of this theory, I will support the Fain making ghosts thing.

If we think back to when Rand fought Fain in Far Madding in PoD, Fain created illusions of the 2 Asha'man he had killed, reliving thier last moments. This would fool people into thinking they had seen a ghost, and thats my theory on it.

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Callandor: 2004-07-27

**If we think back to when Rand fought Fain in Far Madding in PoD, Fain created illusions of the 2 Asha'man he had killed, reliving thier last moments. This would fool people into thinking they had seen a ghost, and thats my theory on it.**

1. It was Winter's Heart not TPOD ;)

2. WoT FAQ casts doubt on the two ghosts being controlled by Fain.

**But wait - there's more! We originally thought that the image of Gedwyn and Torval coming up the stairs of the inn in Far Madding, minutes after Rand had found them dead [WH: 33, Blue Carp Street, 615-616] was an illusion created by Fain, but that really doesn't make any sense when you think about it. Gedwyn and Torval aren't shown brandishing swords, or doing anything that might be considered a diversionary tactic, which presumably would be Fain's purpose in creating them; they're just walking up the stairs with their cloaks over their arms, arguing. After Rand slashes at them with his sword, they disappear. In light of events in COT, it's probably safe to assume that Fain had nothing to do with the apparition, and that Gedwyn and Torval were ghosts. [Steven Cooper]**

And once again, why would Fain go to So Habor, when he is after Rand, when he was last seen almost 1000 miles away in Far Madding? He has no reason to.