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Terez
10-18-2008, 09:31 PM
I'm worried that too many legitimate noobs are getting labeled and deleted as spam, because it's happened to a couple of people that contacted me. M2_K was one of them (had to get Tam to fix it), and there was another recently that I haven't been able to get back in touch with because his account was deleted.

What sort of criteria are you guys using to determine who is spam and who is not?

Nae'blis
10-18-2008, 09:50 PM
user name, location and e-mail address.

First off all having a recognizable name helps. Same goes for the e-mail address. After that, we take a look at what time zone they're in, but despite all of that sometimes accounts get delete.

To give you an idea though, we had 167 registrations in July, 465 in August, 830 in September, and, in 2 and a half weeks of October, we're already at 910. Another couple weeks and we'll probably be at 1200 for the month and things probably won't be any better in November.

If anyone's account is accidently deleted, please e-mail and we'll try to get it sorted out. Picking a semi-normal user name does help us identify who are bots and who are people, so that's the first step.

Terez
10-18-2008, 10:32 PM
What makes a user name "normal", though? The last guy's name was Sharvyn, which, as far as internet user names go, is fairly normal.

I'm not trying to pick on the Administration or anything, cause I've apparently run people off before for mistaking them for Spammers cause they had a spammer-ish user name and "Hello" post that lacked any forum-recognition detail. :D

Davian93
10-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Delete them all...God will know His own.

Nae'blis
10-18-2008, 11:23 PM
well, to give you an idea, there's currently a bot registered under the name Whitewater.

That is one of the better ones though. Mostly they're non-sensical, but if they're actually giving names that are recognizable english, well, that makes something like Sharvyn seem a little suspect.

The best advice we can give is that if anything goes wrong to e-mail us. Once that happens I can keep an eye out for that particular name and make sure they don't get deleted.

Terez
10-18-2008, 11:34 PM
Can we perhaps change the title of this thread to "Having trouble registering?" so that it's visible and sticky it? I'll put (botproof) info in my first post about what to do. I'm sure for every person that tried to join that happened to know me well enough to contact me about it, there's at least a few who don't know anyone.

Davian93
10-18-2008, 11:45 PM
Can we perhaps change the title of this thread to "Having trouble registering?" so that it's visible and sticky it? I'll put (botproof) info in my first post about what to do. I'm sure for every person that tried to join that happened to know me well enough to contact me about it, there's at least a few who don't know anyone.

Probably a good idea...I 2nd said suggestion. Though technically at that point we're treading in Zae's sandbox with newbies. It would make sense to add to the Newbie info on the New Users Forum though.

Terez
10-18-2008, 11:59 PM
It would only be a temporary stop-gap as, from what I understand, Tam has plans to get a human verification plug-in for registration, which would solve the bot problem.

Davian93
10-19-2008, 12:06 AM
It would only be a temporary stop-gap as, from what I understand, Tam has plans to get a human verification plug-in for registration, which would solve the bot problem.

I feel so left out. I'm always left out of the loop on the cool stuff.

Terez
10-19-2008, 12:12 AM
It's because you don't chat, either theoryland chat (much) or messengers. PMs don't cut it, if you want to be in the loop. :p

Of course, sometimes chatting with Tam is a little bit like this:

TITLE - Lord of Chaos
PROLOGUE - The First Message

Irritably she placed another domino, and the tower collapsed with a clatter, spilling ivory tiles onto the floor. With a click of her tongue, she turned from the table, folding her arms beneath her breasts. "Where is Demandred? Seventeen days since he went to Shayol Ghul, but he waits until now to inform us of a message, then does not appear." She had been to the Pit of Doom twice in that time herself, made that nerve-racking walk with the stone fangs brushing her hair. To find nothing except a strange too-tall Myrddraal that would not speak. The Bore had been there, certainly, but the Great Lord had not answered. She did not remain long either time. She had thought herself beyond fear, at least the sort a Halfman’s gaze brought, but twice the Myrddraal’s silent eyeless stare had sent her away with quickening steps that only tight self-control kept from becoming a run. Had channeling there not been a sure way to die, she would have destroyed the Halfman, or Traveled from the Pit itself. "Where is he?"

Davian93
10-19-2008, 12:18 AM
Chat no worky at work (silly firewall blocks it) and even if it did I'd rarely be able to get away with it. Having TL up but hidden isn't a big deal as no one can see my screen and my productivity at work is very high compared to most, but chatting wouldn't fly. There isn't anyone ever in the TL chat the times I've tried in the past few months though...and I dont ahve any other chats.

Sarevok
10-19-2008, 05:55 AM
There isn't anyone ever in the TL chat the times I've tried in the past few months though...and I dont ahve any other chats.
That's because the old on was kinda dead, but we have a NEW ONE now :D:D

tworiverswoman
10-20-2008, 02:16 AM
The Bore had been there, certainly, but the Great Lord had not answered. ~gasp~ Are you calling our LOTB a BORE?

:D:D:D:D ;)


And I've seen some of the most RIDICULOUS names go through recently as "new members..." Sorry, don't remember any, but I do remember noting one had the word "dildo" as part of the name...

Terez
10-20-2008, 02:20 AM
Yeah, when they have product names in the user name, that's just asking for it. There's a guy at Malazan whose user name says something about vicodin, but I think they have human verification over there, so he didn't get deleted. He certainly would have here. :D

Zaela Sedai
10-21-2008, 05:37 PM
I would stick it in the New Users forum AND in this one.

Terez
10-21-2008, 05:46 PM
I maded the thread if you want to sticky it, Zae. :)

Lilith
01-27-2009, 07:43 PM
well, there's a spam proof "activation" thing now that stopped me from posting for two days.. *grumbles at vbulletin because it won't let her log in with her own username*..

although I'm not sure if this was a manual activation, or automatic, or if I had the (doubtful ;) ) honour of being activated because I mentioned in GW chat that it wouldn't let me log in as anaiya...

Nae'blis
01-27-2009, 09:55 PM
the activation is an e-mail sent to your e-mail account. You have to click on the link in that e-mail and then that activates your account.

If you are having problems with another account let us know and we can reset your password for you.

GonzoTheGreat
01-28-2009, 05:05 AM
well, to give you an idea, there's currently a bot registered under the name Whitewater.

That is one of the better ones though. Mostly they're non-sensical, but if they're actually giving names that are recognizable english, well, that makes something like Sharvyn seem a little suspect.Of course, the name "Shara" does occur quite a few times in the WOT. And there's a Belvyn as a member of the Band of the Red Hand (COT, Chapter 37). Combining the two into Sharvyn does seem sort of WOTly*.

* Seems not quite the right construction. It was meant as a variation on "clear-clearly", but now starting with "WOT".

Terez
01-28-2009, 05:11 AM
Try "WoT-ish".

Lilith
01-28-2009, 07:02 AM
the activation is an e-mail sent to your e-mail account. You have to click on the link in that e-mail and then that activates your account.

If you are having problems with another account let us know and we can reset your password for you.

hehehe, I did that. and then it said I was on some "waiting to be added" list for two days, every time I tried to post, until yesterday, when it had just disappeared.

I just thought it was additional spammer protection. :rolleyes:

GonzoTheGreat
01-28-2009, 08:00 AM
It could be that you were trying it with the wrong browser. In theory, that shouldn't make a difference, in practice it sometimes does. This being Theoryland and all, I'm not sure how much I would trust the theory.

Nae'blis
02-06-2009, 05:19 PM
Anaiya please check your private message inbox please.

Terez
02-06-2009, 05:46 PM
Wow, double please.

tworiverswoman
02-06-2009, 06:23 PM
Nae'blis, Cary Sedai is also unable to log in to TL. She doesn't want to create a new identity to do it.

Anaiya please check your private message inbox please. Uhm, is it just me, or is this dumb? She CAN'T LOG IN so how can she get to her private message box?:p

Nae'blis
02-06-2009, 06:26 PM
Nae'blis, Cary Sedai is also unable to log in to TL. She doesn't want to create a new identity to do it.

Uhm, is it just me, or is this dumb? She CAN'T LOG IN so how can she get to her private message box?:p

An e-mail was sent to Cary's e-mail address explaining what happened there. If she didn't get it can be resent.

As for the second, while it is true she doesn't have access to her 'Anaiya Sedai' account, but she does seem to have access to her 'Lilith' account...

Terez
02-06-2009, 06:30 PM
As for the second, while it is true she doesn't have access to her 'Anaiya Sedai' account, but she does seem to have access to her 'Lilith' account...
It's fun to pick on the grammar of Nae'blis.

tworiverswoman
02-06-2009, 06:44 PM
Heh -- it appears she cannot remember what email address she used to set up her Cary Sedai account. She's checked the accounts she remembers... but she's gone through a name-change since then and is a little confused.

I'd offer her current preferred gmail account info to you but don't want to post it in an open thread. Help?

She's firmly committed to keeping her name AND her rep, thankyouverymuch... so doesn't want to start from scratch. :)

Nae'blis
02-06-2009, 06:57 PM
Check your inbox TRW.

Also, no one needs to restart from scratch. vBulletin gives us quite a bit of room when it comes to these sorts of things. We can reset passwords, rename accounts and even merge existing accounts.

Once Anaiya gets back into her account we'll be merging her Lilith account with that one.

Some time ago I merged Yaga's accounts and renamed them to his new, prefered handle, Jokeslayer and I also merged Bane's two accounts.

If anyone is getting tired of their old handles, I'd much rather that they request a name change instead of just creating a new account and leaving the old one dormant.

GonzoTheGreat
02-06-2009, 06:59 PM
Cary never was real. It was always just a construct, to hide her true nature from herself. Just as soon as she accepts that, the memories will come back.

ShadowbaneX
02-06-2009, 07:06 PM
haha! Fucking brilliant Terez! You're a comedic genius! Nae'blis is trying to help fix Anaiya's and Cary's problems and you resort to trivialities!

I'm rolling of the floor laughing here!

/sarcasm

Terez
02-06-2009, 07:15 PM
You're a comedic genius! Nae'blis is trying to help fix Anaiya's and Cary's problems and you resort to trivialities!
I didn't interfere, now did I?

I'm rolling of the floor laughing here!
Don't be so sensitive. ;)

Terez
02-09-2009, 11:53 PM
I was told that Frookenhauer was signed on earlier, which means he just registered, and can't post yet, pending approval. He's a friend of mine, so please don't put him in the spam pile. :)

Nae'blis
02-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Ah, sorry about that. May have been a bit quick with the delete button there, but with hundreds of spambot registrations per day it's rather easy to mistake someone with a slightly unusual username for a bot. We try to go beyond the username and take into account other tell-tale signs of botness or the lack thereof, but sometimes you forget. If you would advise your friend to re-register, we'll make sure to get him through the process unscathed.

What we really need is a way to prevent the bots from getting through the registration process at all. One has mentioned that to fearless a couple of times, but, you know, laziness. Under the current system, it's pretty likely that people with names like "irerancincpkc" would be thrown in the bot pile pretty fast.

tworiverswoman
02-11-2009, 03:40 AM
Under the current system, it's pretty likely that people with names like "irerancincpkc" would be thrown in the bot pile pretty fast.You rejected Frookenhauer (which can be pronounced, however weird looking) and accepted "SDfeliNilmels (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=10085)" ??

O.o

Sarevok
02-11-2009, 05:42 AM
You rejected Frookenhauer (which can be pronounced, however weird looking) and accepted "SDfeliNilmels (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=10085)" ??

O.o
Considering I can't view that profile... probably not...

Terez
02-11-2009, 08:18 AM
Well, it's no wonder why we haven't had any noobs since moving here.

Nae'blis
02-11-2009, 11:06 AM
No...the newest registrant shows up as our "newest member" as soon as the first stage of registration is completed, but the process isn't finalized until we approve of them. You'll notice that we never have any spam, apart from the one time Tamyrlin admitted a spambot, at the advice of.. who was that again...ah, yes, Terez. And stop whining, you miserable bastards.

Tamyrlin
02-11-2009, 02:52 PM
"Miserable bastards" is hardly a benevolent dictator like way of managing the goodly horde.

I will take a closer look at the deletion issue.

Terez
02-11-2009, 02:57 PM
IMO, it's better to admit a spammer who can be dealt with as soon as they start spamming, than to delete a legitimate noob. I'm not all that impressed with the lack of spam, considering that there are several verified cases where legitimate new users have been deleted for spam, and the only reason those cases were verified was that I happened to know the people....and no noobs in months.

Zaela Sedai
02-11-2009, 03:24 PM
yeah... I'm gettin bored over there... and my chains are getting rusty...

Nae'blis
02-11-2009, 04:07 PM
That's not actually true. We've had several new users the last few months, but they don't seem to post that much, possibly due to the reception they receive from older users. Also, I know of two cases where legitimate users have been deleted, not several. That will happen over the course of tens of thousands of bot deletions. So stop whining, you lousy bastards.

Terez
02-11-2009, 04:13 PM
That's not actually true. We've had several new users the last few months, but they don't seem to post that much, possibly due to the reception they receive from older users.
Such as who?

Also, I know of two cases where legitimate users have been deleted, not several.
Well, there's the most recent Frookenhauer, then there was M2_K, and Realnow (who ended up getting run off for being a troll). Those are the only ones I can recall off the top of my head, but that's 3. And like I said, those are only verified because I happen to know them. How many others have there been?

That will happen over the course of tens of thousands of bot deletions.
Methinks you doth exaggerate.

So stop whining, you lousy bastards.
Bite me.

tworiverswoman
02-11-2009, 04:50 PM
Terez - I think you need to add the following to your sig... ;)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g7/tworiverswoman/Misc%20Funnies/biteme232-2.gif

Nae'blis
02-11-2009, 04:55 PM
Such as who?

Methinks you doth exaggerate.

Bite me.

Actually, I'm not. You just don't have a clue how many registrations we actually have. In any given hour, an average of maybe 10 bots might register (it depends on the time of the day, for some reason), giving us something like a high of maybe 240 bots per day. During the course of a month, that's about 7,000 bots, and we've been here for about six months, which means we may have had as many as 40,000 bot registrations by now. That number is possibly a bit high, since bot activity was far slower during our first couple of months here, and the average may be something like 100 bots per day, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that we must've had 20,000 bot registrations, at least. Right now there's 21 bots in the system, and there's been several rounds of deletions today.

In January, we had only had two new posters, Lauric and Spearmaiden, and they've never posted. Before that, the boards were down for a good while, but we had four new posters in October and three in September. In August we were still moving, more or less, but we still had at least two new registrants that were not on Ezboard, where, by the way, there wasn't a constant influx of newbies either.

Terez
02-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Terez - I think you need to add the following to your sig... ;)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g7/tworiverswoman/Misc%20Funnies/biteme232-2.gif
I think you just wanted an excuse to post that image. :)

Nae'blis
04-20-2009, 07:54 PM
while the db for the posts was down, the registration db was working just fine. Because of this I just had to blow away about 350 bots (but accepted two). If either of these two are actually bots in disguse please post here. If I accidently deleted your account, my apologies. Please register again and hopefully we'll get you registered.

Mat is Better
05-01-2009, 08:07 PM
Why not use captcha? Surely that would cut down on spam in the first place, plus it's free to use.

Terez
05-01-2009, 08:13 PM
They're working on it. Involves an update, I think.

Oh, and welcome back. ;)

Terez
06-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Another person just informed me that they tried to register here a few months ago and weren't approved.

Is there any way you guys can do something like send out an email to deleted users saying "if you feel you have been deleted by mistake, please email us"?

Sarevok
06-25-2009, 02:36 PM
Another person just informed me that they tried to register here a few months ago and weren't approved.

Is there any way you guys can do something like send out an email to deleted users saying "if you feel you have been deleted by mistake, please email us"?
Nope, that would be like saying "spammers, please send spam to this e-mail adres".

They should try to get one of those thingies where you have to read letters/numbers from a picture when registering...

Terez
06-25-2009, 02:38 PM
Nope, that would be like saying "spammers, please send spam to this e-mail adres".
Not if the email was written out, like tamyrlinATtheorylandDOTcom, or something.

But yeah, they need human verification.

Weird Harold
06-25-2009, 06:56 PM
Not if the email was written out, like tamyrlinATtheorylandDOTcom, or something.

If you send an e-mail to someone, it contains a "replyto" address, no matter what you type into the From field or body of the message.

Terez
06-25-2009, 07:03 PM
Yeah, but you can always send mails from an address that does nothing but collect spam.

Crispin's Crispian
06-26-2009, 02:01 PM
How is it all these people keep contacting you, T? Are you out recruiting on Facebook and (now...again) Malazan? ;)

Terez
06-26-2009, 02:19 PM
Recruiting? No. I try not to think too much about why these people contact me - it might inflate my ego, you know.

GonzoTheGreat
06-27-2009, 04:33 AM
They are just all attracted to the cute spider. And they may have figured out from this thread that Terez is a useful target for contactation.

tworiverswoman
06-29-2009, 05:23 PM
That is a cute spider, isn't it? I always think it looks like a Chairman of the Board type...

"contactation" -- I'm going to have to give that new word some thought.

Terez
06-29-2009, 05:48 PM
There have been people at Malazan begging me to change my avatar back to the spider. I'm not sure if that's because the spider is so cute, or because of my current avatar.

I think half the forum probably has my current one adblocked.

Matoyak
06-29-2009, 07:50 PM
The current one on here or the one on Malazan? And what spider be this we be talkin' about?

~watches all the grammar nazis twitch~

Terez
06-29-2009, 07:53 PM
I was talking about the current one on Malazan, which is not the spider (which be my current avatar here, and a previous avatar at Malazan).

HunterOTS
11-19-2010, 05:23 AM
So what is it now? A thousand spam-bots signing up every week or so? It seems like everytime I refresh the index there is a new one with a generic firstnamenumberlastname handle. Whatever you guys do to stop them from spamming though seems to work well, I've only seen one start posting and it was dealt with pretty quickly.