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Jonai
04-21-2009, 02:10 PM
Am I the second new member (or fresh meat or noob if you prefer) to wander in from Jordancon? The Con was a lot of fun. I'm sure I saw many of you there, although I wouldn't be able to connect the faces to the user names. My name is Carl, and I was the dude wandering around in the leather biker jacket. I think I went to almost all of Marrow's panels because, frankly, WoT discussion is what I live for. I was even lucky enough to be able to participate in the WoT trivia contest, which was tons of fun! I discovered that my Aes Sedai knowledge is woefully inadequate, as I have not reread the White Tower politicing sections since 2005. I'm currently involved in a reread so hopefully that should clear that up.

I met the Tamyrlin at the Con, and he encouraged me to come on over, so here I am.

A little about myself.

I'm 28 years old and have been reading the books oh since I was 11 or so. I've been online in wot fandom since 1996 but not with any "Megasite" type establishment. I've followed the Newsgroup for years (until about KoD I suppose) and have been apart of various WoT sites including Pacific WoT BBS, Pages of prophecy (in its many incarnations) and The Portal Stone.

I'm not sure if I'm up to the task at hand of creating entirely new theories on my own, there are so many out there at this point, but I love commenting and debating with other people the various facets of the Wheel of Time multiverse.


Champagne to my friends (you guys) and death to my enemies (Gawyn, The Sea Folk, The Kin, Cadsuane, time between books)

May you always find water and shade,

~Jonai

Brita
04-21-2009, 02:28 PM
Welcome Jonai!!!!

And don't worry about crafting theories- I intend to do nothing of the sort myself. Maybe a prediction or two, perhaps a faction, but theories are way too much for me :)

Non-WoT Board has lots of mindless fun as well as some engaging discussions on many topics.

The WoT Board is pretty much a re-hash of everyone's pet theory right now, as we endure the long wait for the promised book. But it is still fun to go over the "LTT real vs. construct" debate over and over :)

Glad to have you here!

Sarevok
04-21-2009, 04:01 PM
Welcome, Jonai!!

Tam, now you REALLY need to do raisings! We need to be able to distinguish people like Anaiya and Brita from newbies like these guys.

Zaela Sedai
04-21-2009, 04:11 PM
Consider yourself officially welcomed to Theoryland Jonai!! (Man! I'm getting overworked! Lordy...raisings...NOW..) I'm sure you've noticed, we have a pretty decent community of WoT fanatics over here. One of the ways that we keep it all friendly is a short list of courtesies we ask people to follow and, once in a while, actually do get followed. Imagine that! Insane people following some sort of order!


1) Don't flood the board with multiple THREADS all at once.
Allow us the time to absorb, evaluate, and discuss, OR LAUGH at one or two ideas, OR JOKES at a time. Some of us like to do a little research before responding and that can take a little time. Of course, we also have those others who are just a bit slow. Read that as "just can't handle more than one thought in their heads at once" or "dial-up modem". Your choice. I'd suggest "have a real life", but not likely. Does anyone still have dial up? Wow...it's getting hard to give the slow people an excuse

Addendum to 1) Try to stay on topic.
Going off on tangents can be super fun and is something we are all guilty of your's truly included but try and keep threads on topic unless, 1) the thread is dead or 2) the thread naturally moves over to another topic. This rule is much more lax for joke threads, pop culture threads...etc.

2) Try to back up your opinions & theories.
You'll get a lot more respect if you can. Quotes from the books (of which you CANNOT read too much) are your best weapon. Quotes from interviews are semi-acceptable. Gut feelings are pseudo-acceptable. Whitecloak blind-faith is best submitted while wearing asbestos panties.

3) Feel free to get as emotionally involved as you'd like.
Discussions can get very heated. But try not to take things personally. Remember: we only insult the ones we love. Or the ones we eventually hand over to the Trollocs.

4) Be respectful.
A lot of people have been around Theoryland for a long time. Being a Youngling means you're new around here. We do understand that you may have been reading WoT forever, but if you're gonna pick a fight regarding a WoT theory with someone who's an Elder, Ancient or Hero, understand that they've been around for a while now, and probably have posting friends. And Tamyrlin is Lord of the Board for a reason: this whole place is his brainchild. Keep that in mind. They also have posting enemies.... a good little bit of information to tuck away.

Addendum to 4: This is an international community.
In regards to the Non-WoT discussion groups, please respect the opinions of people from nations and cultures other than your own, even if you disagree with them or the policies of their leaders and politicians. Try to remember that not everyone here has the same outlook or life experience that you might. If you want to send a letter or e-mail to anyone in particular to indicate any specific moral, educational, intellectual, or genetic deficiencies they may have, feel free. Just please don't do it here.

Addendum 1 to Addendum 4: We don't all agree about the issues regarding the military action in Iraq. Post about this issue at your own risk. Things seem to be under control now. Though, there have been some flare-ups….be careful. We have had our own TLers over there, back home safe and sound, hope it stays that way. (I can't wait to be able to delete this Addendum.)

Addendum 2 to Addendum 4: Please no angry profanity.
If you really need to tell someone off, be creative. And replacing characters with @$$ does NOT constitute creativity. I like tend to like the Shakespearean approach myself. The smarter and more subtle you are with it, just makes the person look that much more an idiot.

Addendum 3 to Addendum 4: Please be nice to Newbies.
We were all new at one time you are one right now and there is no need to come down on anyone for asking questions that to the elder community may be basic knowledge. This is for you to remember after you've been here awhile.

Addendum 4 to Addendum 4: Please TRY not to feed the Trolls.
Trust me, it ain't easy at times, but ignore the obvious instigators. Just sit yourself down between the Heroes and Ancients sharpening the WTF Couch sticks. There are many on the board who know how to deal with this breed, leave them to it. It can be quite entertaining. If things get too offensive to the population in general, Mods will intervene. Feel free, however, to respond to Gonzo, our Resident Troll, we love him like a red-headed step child.

5) Please don't use the New Users Forum to recruit.
We have plenty of room in the other forums for begging for support for factions, theories, and the TCA. Please let the newbies look around for a while before taking sides in any pseudo-battles. ~looks around~ our biggest offender has not been around for a while ~sniff~


6) Most important: Have Fun!
We do this because we love it and like to think that we are, at least, reasonably intelligent. Hell, some of us have deluded ourselves into believing that we've evolved into supremely intelligent beings! Half the posters here believe that divine supremacy has already come to them! My vote is for Frenzy, and myself, of course. You know the Truth when you see it. :D Don't let T and her massive bag o' quotes fool you. ;) We will assume some intelligence on your part. You found us, didn't you? Until you prove otherwise…and there are many who have, you'll be safe. If you get hurt if you do prove otherwise, I will offer my one free Healing…but just that once.

Remember, you EARN your respect here, it's not given out freely and some may never know the pleasure.


Welcome to our little rounded corner! It’s a great time!



Enjoy!

Zaela Sedai, Official Theoryland Greeter, Mistress of Novices


P.S.: Be good…don’t make me take out my chains, I am the Lady of them for a reason! ;) stupid no evil smilie



KEEP READING IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU ;)
Here's some stuff you'd be much better off knowing BEFORE you post :cool:


Hierarchy

Heroes of the Horn

Have been here longer than most, and some of them have been around since the dawn of time. You don't have to worship at their feet (well you can worship at Frenzy's, if you must), but a little respect goes a long way.


Ancients

The next group down from HotH. Also tend to be prolific posters, although some Ancients suffer from a mysterious disease. It sometimes happens that once an Ancient is raised, they disappear for a while, or forever. It really can be a blessing in disguise.


Elders

The next group up from Younglings. More knowledgeable than Younglings, not necessarily less knowledgable than Ancients. They have been here long enough to know better about most things. I repeat, MOST things


Younglings

By far the biggest bunch at Theoryland. Just means that you are recently signed up, not that you're young and/or immature. You might have to prove that, though. But you can edit your own posts! Yippee! Umm yeah...enjoy that.



So, how do you move up the Ranks?

Well, posting madly and racking up a huge post count, begging for Reputation Scores won't get you anywhere. It's not even just about hanging around for a set amount of time.

Here's how you DO move up: participate thoughtfully and politely so that when Tamyrlin decides the time has come for a Raising, you're seen as an asset to the community. Or whenever he gets around to it.

When the feeling strikes him, Tamyrlin, The Lord Of The Board aka LotB, or Fearless Leader or Lordy, (but only I may get away with that one), confers with the Heroes of the Horn and Ancients and selects those to be raised to a higher level. It is an entirely manual and subjective process that stresses "quality" over "quantity." The amount of time since you gained your current rank plays a role, as do post counts, to a lesser extent. Thoughtful, intelligent and polite posting is by far the biggest factor.


Other important information...

The ESC does not stand for Escape. Instead it stands for the Entropy Sideline Club It has a big comfy couch, capable of fitting all TL members at once if they choose to sit there. Made of fire-proof, balefire-proof, and belafire-proof hope to God you aren't in the room if this occurs fabric. Comes with all sorts of built in coolers stuffed full of yummy snacks and drinks; for some reason, Mountain Dew seems to be a favourite around here and lots of places to just sit back and enjoy the reason you're sitting there. Basically if you hang out on the ESC Couch, you are observing the debates taking place: Iraq, religion, government, Santa Claus (you name it, we argue over it) and laughing at the people who are debating, and/or the debate itself. The ESC is not full of fence-sitters, rather we are ambivalent or way too smart to jump in. Or lazy. Most times, it's lazy. The ESC Couch (ESC Head Quarters) is located somewhere fun...lots of room for partying whenever the mood strikes us. We have recently debuted the WTF Couch...for those "Special" moments. Moments that induce the sharpening of the not-so-elusive poking stick. Poking posters with sticks is exclusively limited to Ancients and Heroes. We do, however, take requests.



The TCA. Theoryland Chataholics Anonymous. This group is comprised mostly of the younger set of TL members. not that there's anything wrong with that I have been assured they do more than sit in corners and stare at their navels. although I've yet to see evidence of that ~sarcasm~ They have a lot of fun, and most of it involves cookies. They are somewhat defunct right now, as we have no chat, alas! Don't worry, they'll be back with a vengeance as soon as chat is up and running here. Lordy says, soon. ~shifty eyes~



Quotemasters, AKA Masters/Mistresses of the Quote:
If you sign up for a Premium membership to the site, you get the ability to search the database for quotes to back up your theories, or the theories of those you like. It also gives you the ability to slam dunk the theories of others with a really well-placed quote. A Premium membership only costs $15 for a year and $50 for a lifetime membership. Just do it, you know you want to! But, a warning. Being in possession of a TL Premium membership does not a Quotemaster make. You must apprentice and train under the Quotemasters. Of which there are two and three quarters. Jason Wolfbrother, Callandor retired for now, Terez and the Quote Mistress, although she seems to be in semi-retirement: Me. You'll see me throw one in every now and again! Frenzy was the Dark Mother of us all she may occasionally find some time when her biological children are occupied and throw in a quote or two ;) Downside? You only get 100 quote searches a month, and a true quotemaster is invariably without quote searches towards the end, so they get cranky. Withdrawal does that, didn't ya know?

Leanne
04-21-2009, 04:16 PM
Welcome Jonai! I am glad we are getting new members from JordanCon. It means that people didn't hate us. YAY! Well at least two didn't anyway. :D I think I remember seeing you there, but I don't think we talked. I wandered around a lot myself, though I was not wearing a leather jacket.

Terez
04-21-2009, 04:27 PM
Welcome, Jonai! Don't feel shy if you can't come up with a nice theory right off - just jump into the WoT discussion. We're pretty casual. :)

WinespringBrother
04-21-2009, 05:43 PM
Welcome Jonai! Glad to see we made a good impression LOL

I know we met at some point there, possibly at one of the theory forums. I enjoyed all the forums, except the one thing about TL is that you don't have to raise your hand to throw in your 2 cents :)

Jonai
04-21-2009, 07:02 PM
Haha, Thanks Terez, I probably will. I just like to be well informed about what others have said. I have read the FAQ about 8000 tiimes as well as rereads and common fandom theories but...I saw the 1500 theories/20000 replies here and almost cried. *lmao*

Hey Winespring, Yeah, the wot forums were cool, I DEMAND more forums next year. I like your username, reminds me of the scene in tFoH when Rand things about naming the palace, The Roof of the Winespring Brothers. Good times.

Marrow Rahien
04-21-2009, 07:09 PM
I was even lucky enough to be able to participate in the WoT trivia contest, which was tons of fun!

See, now this is modesty, ladies and gents. Participate, my left foot. Jonai here won the thing (speed based face off trivia in elimination brackets, beating out 21 others) and for the most part dominated his competition, even someone who is the normal shoe in to win the trivia contests at Dragon Con (though by her own admission she hadn't prepared much for this one) and a very knowledgeable Yale student that he smoked in the final round (I forget if it was 5-1 or 6-1, but either way, ow).


Good to see you here, man. :)

Eclipse
04-21-2009, 07:31 PM
well you can worship at Frenzy's, if you must
worship, if you wish, but understand, the Lady Frenzy already has a pet, and he guards his place most jealously... hissss *spit* *spit*!

Zae, on the other hand, is everyone's favorite little sexpot LOL! worship away, and in whatever manner trips your trigger. :D

careful Zae. this one's sideburns say it all :p

aahh, yes. and welcome Jonai. i'm the dude that, at one time, was sitting on your left in the isle seat during the second panel with Harriet (the one where they played Jim's recording). a tip: the more smack you can talk without actually offending anyone (a fine line; very fine indeed), the higher and faster your status will rise here ;). it also helps to quote cartoons...

Zaela Sedai
04-21-2009, 07:35 PM
Welcome, Jonai! Don't feel shy if you can't come up with a nice theory right off - just jump into the WoT discussion. We're pretty casual. :)

Says T...the resident...well actually nevermind...

Post away! How bout you start with how you feel about LTT/Rand

~sits back on ESC couch with popcorn~

Zaela Sedai
04-21-2009, 07:42 PM
Awww Clipsey, I'm blushing :);)

~hides chains behind back~

So, lets see these sideburns :D (LORDY we need better emotes!)

Jonai
04-21-2009, 08:13 PM
Marrow - Haha thanks man. I did win it, and that was exciting, but I didn't feel like I should display undue hubris as a noob, no matter my past accomplishments. I think the funniest part of the triva contest was that Perrin/Verin question. I was perplexed because perrin didn't meet any aes sedai, or even Verin in tDR. So I said it was tSR and you guys called me a gracious winner. *lol*

Zaela - Well ok. Should I do that in an actual LTT thread or right here? lol I'll answer briefly here.

LTT, in my mind, is of course real. There are a couple cavats to suggest that he may be a symptom of madness. Cadsuane mentions men who channel hearing voices and he disappears for a while. I've never been satisfied with the notion that LTT is the manifestation of a mental disorder. I'm probably crazy myself because I've never felt Lews Therin was all that crazy to begin with. Guilt stricken yes, grief stricken yes, but crazy? No way. That dude makes a lot of sense. I could buy the argument that Rand is creating a voice as a way to justify past memory leakage, but Mat has plenty of past memory leakage, even discounting the Finn memories, and he is still very much his own man with no need to justify such things. Lews Therin's personality seems real to me. Comments from the Forsaken, the Prologue of tEotW, known events, it all seems to back up that this is exactly how Lews Therin was. The way the memory, manifestations and even the way Lews Therin seizes saidin all make the mental disorder arguement just a little too neat for my taste. Plus I just love Lews Therin, so maybe I'm being willfully ignorant. ^^

Two ideas that I love to play around with are: Rand might not even be the Dragon Reborn himself. What if all the Prophecies, and everything that's happened actually refer to Lews Therin, and Rand is just the physical vessel for the holy spirit as it were? I do agree that they are one soul, but there wouldn't really be a way for the Pattern to stop the Rand persona from manifesting. He didn't become ta'veren or channel until he was an adult so it could be said that Rand was just the placeholder for the manifestation of LTT. I don't say I believe this, but I think it is an interesting concept.

The other idea I like to play with is that the strength of Lews Therin's manfestation had something to do with Rahvin's TAR tricks at the end of tFoH. Rahvin was trying to alter Rand's physical self into the body that Lews Therin used when he lived in the flesh. LTT seemed aware while this was happening. At this point LTT was already manifested but Rand wasn't holding conversations with him as of yet. It would interesting if this somehow influenced the future developement of their coexistence and relationship. LTT is bound to the wheel, so some part of him could have resided in TAR along with the Heroes of the Horn.

I love to ponder things, even if I don't believe them to be true. Discussion and debate are fascinating.

I think that was brief - unless I pulled a Loial.

ShadowbaneX
04-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Hello Jonai. Let me add to your welcome to Theoryland. Ugh...heya!

Now that's done, there usually aren't any theories posted in here. It's mainly for setting Naz on fire and occasionally welcoming new posters.

As for posting Theories, there's the General Wheel of Time forum and I believe that there's currently a LTT thread (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1505) going on in there, although they may be waxing esoteric at the moment, we get that way at times. It's a little large, but that's probably the place to put it.

Belazamon
04-21-2009, 11:48 PM
Howdy! Welcome to the madhouse.

Jonai
04-22-2009, 12:08 AM
Thanks Bela. Love the avatar. Black Mage FTW.

Cary Sedai
04-22-2009, 06:20 PM
Welcome, Jonai!

~sprinkles Jonai with fairy dust~

Is Naz on fire in this thread, yet? Sigh... I wanted to do the trivia, but i was so very hungry i had to go get some food, then i was late getting back...

Sarevok
04-23-2009, 02:11 AM
Is Naz on fire in this thread, yet? Sigh... I wanted to do the trivia, but i was so very hungry i had to go get some food, then i was late getting back...
Don't think so...
*stes Naz on fire* just to be sure.

*hugs Cary*

cathar
04-23-2009, 02:25 AM
Welcome Jonai!

I really need to post more. I've been here two years and he has more posts than me.

Nazbaque
04-23-2009, 06:38 AM
Welcome Jonai. You may call me Naz. The marshmellows will be ready in a minute.

*Starts roasting*

Davian93
04-23-2009, 07:17 AM
Welcome!

WinespringBrother
04-23-2009, 08:11 AM
Marrow - Haha thanks man. I did win it, and that was exciting, but I didn't feel like I should display undue hubris as a noob, no matter my past accomplishments. I think the funniest part of the triva contest was that Perrin/Verin question. I was perplexed because perrin didn't meet any aes sedai, or even Verin in tDR. So I said it was tSR and you guys called me a gracious winner. *lol*

Thank you for the clarification. I watched the end of the trivia contest (since I was too late to participate due to a long lunch :/) and I thought that was you that won, Jonai. I was beginning to doubt my memory...

Zaela Sedai
04-23-2009, 12:35 PM
LTT, in my mind, is of course real.

Welcome to TL then ;) Watch out for T

Terez
04-23-2009, 02:07 PM
I will get him.

Jonai
04-23-2009, 02:13 PM
Lulz.

WinespringBrother
04-23-2009, 02:51 PM
Hey Winespring, Yeah, the wot forums were cool, I DEMAND more forums next year. I like your username, reminds me of the scene in tFoH when Rand things about naming the palace, The Roof of the Winespring Brothers. Good times.

Forgot to mention, good catch! That scene is where I got my name from. Call me WSB tho, its a lot easier...

Jonai
04-23-2009, 09:09 PM
Forgot to mention, good catch! That scene is where I got my name from. Call me WSB tho, its a lot easier...

Yeah it's a lot shorter. lol