wolfbrother369
04-24-2009, 01:00 AM
I'll start with what we know before the KoD.
We know from Moraine in the EoTW that Machin Shin (The Black Wind - of the ways) will attack any that travel through the ways human or shadowspawn.
We know it is attracted to the evil of Shadowspawn thus, the few that did make it to the Two Rivers must have been coming in small groups for a fair amount of time before they actually attacked.
We know that Machin Shin has a will and can consume minds of those it encounters. We know this two ways. One it is a many voiced entity(those minds it has consumed), and those that do escape sometimes lose a part of themselves(known from the Ogier in the Great HUnt).
We know from the end of the EotW when Moraine recounts Fain's encounter with it that some voices greeted him as like to them others feared him.
As soon as it enveloped him it fled. But why did it flee? I don't think it actually fled him as much as it consumed some of Padan Fain's single minded desire to fallow Rand and immediatly went about that.
We also know from the Great Hunt that it could at that point atleast partially leave the ways. Any time rand attempted to use the Ways Machin Shin did reach out and grab for him.
This also demonstrates it has a will and not just a mindless monster. We also know that since it fallowed him from waygate to waygate opening it must be able to find him in the outer world somehow.
We also know the last we see of Sammael he is near a waygate at Shadar Logoth. The gate has weaves Rand set up to ward only against Shadowspawn.
Rand also notices that Sammael had set weaves around his weaves as well. I beleive these weaves did two things they gave Sammael an escape hatch of sorts into the Ways as well as served as a trap if, as Sammael had planned, Rand fallowed him. We know that Mashadar comes Rand looks away and when he looks back Sammael is gone and only Mashadar and a closed waygate is where Sammael stood.
Perhaps these weaves that Sammael set up around the gate allowed him to quickly open and close the gate with the power ( thus giving him time to get away - and forcing Rand to go through the traps he set up around the gate if he chose to fallow). BUt what Sammael didn't plan for - or know about- when he set up his escape hatch is that Machin Shin will fallow
Rand to the Waygate and be right there to swallow him up when he enters the ways. But being between a Mashadar and Machin Shin he chose Machin Shin.
From tKoD:
We know that someone "Masqueraiding" as Sammael sent tens of thousands of trollocs into the ways, one can only assume that these are the same
100,000 Trollocs that attacked Rand at the Manor House in tKoD. Rand comments that someone must have Ishamael's ability to track Ta'veren through the pattern. We already know as mentioned above that Machin Shin can track Rands location. We know that whoever it was that sent them into the ways was a Forsaken since the Shadowspawn obeyed.
So in conclusion we know that Sammael could have escaped and been consumed by Machin Shin but not haveing his will completely obsorbed.
His mind being the strongest of all previously absorbed now controls it but with all of its powers. He can atleast for a short time come out of the ways. So he exits the ways at a waygate in the blight and still forms his amorphous being into the apearance of Sammael and Commands tens of thousands of Shadowspawn after Rand, and since he is Forsaken they obey. But since his body is dead the gholam is free to do what he wants.Now the shadowspawn can go as one big group (as they did) now since he controls Machin Shin they won't be attacked by it anymore, and he directs them where they should go since Machin Shin has the ability to find Rand.
We know from Moraine in the EoTW that Machin Shin (The Black Wind - of the ways) will attack any that travel through the ways human or shadowspawn.
We know it is attracted to the evil of Shadowspawn thus, the few that did make it to the Two Rivers must have been coming in small groups for a fair amount of time before they actually attacked.
We know that Machin Shin has a will and can consume minds of those it encounters. We know this two ways. One it is a many voiced entity(those minds it has consumed), and those that do escape sometimes lose a part of themselves(known from the Ogier in the Great HUnt).
We know from the end of the EotW when Moraine recounts Fain's encounter with it that some voices greeted him as like to them others feared him.
As soon as it enveloped him it fled. But why did it flee? I don't think it actually fled him as much as it consumed some of Padan Fain's single minded desire to fallow Rand and immediatly went about that.
We also know from the Great Hunt that it could at that point atleast partially leave the ways. Any time rand attempted to use the Ways Machin Shin did reach out and grab for him.
This also demonstrates it has a will and not just a mindless monster. We also know that since it fallowed him from waygate to waygate opening it must be able to find him in the outer world somehow.
We also know the last we see of Sammael he is near a waygate at Shadar Logoth. The gate has weaves Rand set up to ward only against Shadowspawn.
Rand also notices that Sammael had set weaves around his weaves as well. I beleive these weaves did two things they gave Sammael an escape hatch of sorts into the Ways as well as served as a trap if, as Sammael had planned, Rand fallowed him. We know that Mashadar comes Rand looks away and when he looks back Sammael is gone and only Mashadar and a closed waygate is where Sammael stood.
Perhaps these weaves that Sammael set up around the gate allowed him to quickly open and close the gate with the power ( thus giving him time to get away - and forcing Rand to go through the traps he set up around the gate if he chose to fallow). BUt what Sammael didn't plan for - or know about- when he set up his escape hatch is that Machin Shin will fallow
Rand to the Waygate and be right there to swallow him up when he enters the ways. But being between a Mashadar and Machin Shin he chose Machin Shin.
From tKoD:
We know that someone "Masqueraiding" as Sammael sent tens of thousands of trollocs into the ways, one can only assume that these are the same
100,000 Trollocs that attacked Rand at the Manor House in tKoD. Rand comments that someone must have Ishamael's ability to track Ta'veren through the pattern. We already know as mentioned above that Machin Shin can track Rands location. We know that whoever it was that sent them into the ways was a Forsaken since the Shadowspawn obeyed.
So in conclusion we know that Sammael could have escaped and been consumed by Machin Shin but not haveing his will completely obsorbed.
His mind being the strongest of all previously absorbed now controls it but with all of its powers. He can atleast for a short time come out of the ways. So he exits the ways at a waygate in the blight and still forms his amorphous being into the apearance of Sammael and Commands tens of thousands of Shadowspawn after Rand, and since he is Forsaken they obey. But since his body is dead the gholam is free to do what he wants.Now the shadowspawn can go as one big group (as they did) now since he controls Machin Shin they won't be attacked by it anymore, and he directs them where they should go since Machin Shin has the ability to find Rand.