MP3 player languages

[GonzoTheGreat]

I started wondering how many (and which) languages were represented in the songs that I have on my MP3 player. Then, of course, I wondered how that compared to other people. So I decided to start this thread, simply listing the languages that I can remember I have on my player and hoping I won't forget too many.

Dutch
English
French
German
Latin
Made up language #1
Made up language #2
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish

[Ivhon]

I started wondering how many (and which) languages were represented in the songs that I have on my MP3 player. Then, of course, I wondered how that compared to other people. So I decided to start this thread, simply listing the languages that I can remember I have on my player and hoping I won't forget too many.

Dutch
English
French
German
Latin
Made up language #1
Made up language #2
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish

None. My MP3 player has nothing on it. In the process of building my last computer, I had to re-install Windows more times than I can count. This caused me to exceed the 5 computer limit from I-Tunes and therefore almost all of my songs are unaccessible.

And I cant be assed to deal with it. But for the record, I HAD:

English
German
Made up language (Carmina Burana - common with you I think)
Made up language (theme for some video game zone or another)
French
Italian
Spanish

No latin. Can't figure out what would be sung in Latin other than perhaps Gregorian Chants - which wouldnt strike me as your kind of music, Gonzo :D

[JSUCamel]

English
Spanish (La Bamba)

Whatever languages you want to call the operas and classical people's stuff (Mozart, Tchaichovsky, Vivaldi, etc).

[GonzoTheGreat]

No latin. Can't figure out what would be sung in Latin other than perhaps Gregorian Chants - which wouldnt strike me as your kind of music, Gonzo
Well, much of the Carmina Burana is in Latin, and I have some of the songs of that on my MP3 player.
And, from what I can see and hear of it, Ameno by Era is also in Latin. Though I must admit I haven't tried to translate it.

My Made Up Languages are from Adiemus and Treble. Both made up their languages specifically for their songs, though I think that Adiemus took it a lot more serious. They've released a number of albums, and I can definitely recommend them. Both groups also have produces some songs in English.

Camel, I think that the operas are in Italian. At least, a lot of them are, though not all. Of course, I do not speak Italian, so, considering the Murder In The Rue Morgue, it's possible that all operas are sung by Orang Utans.

[Ivhon]

Camel, I think that the operas are in Italian. At least, a lot of them are, though not all. Of course, I do not speak Italian, so, considering the Murder In The Rue Morgue, it's possible that all operas are sung by Orang Utans.

The "great (i.e. Western - no cultural bias intended)" canon operas are generally natively written in Italian or German - with a smattering of Spanish, French and even English. However, they have, Im sure, been translated into every language under the sun. Except maybe that click language in Africa.... I'm having a hard time hearing Der Erlkonig being clicked.

[JSUCamel]

At least it's not Vogon poetry.

[Terez]

I was bitching to a friend of mine how our school did The Marriage of Figaro in English, and he puts on his "I'm an elitist" voice and starts going on about how he prefers it in German, lol... So I'm like....Franz, it's Opera Buffa, so Mozart used an Italian libretto...we learned that in Dr. Ed's class last semester! hehe...he was embarassed. :)

iirc, Carmina Burana is mostly Latin with a bit of proto-French and proto-German in it...and as for other stuff that would be sung in Latin...tons of liturgical music has been written quite aside from the medieval stuff. Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus, Agnus Dei...I've sung three versions of that stuff since I came back to school last semester - one from the 18th century, one from the 19th, and one from the 20th. The Kyrie is Greek, but the rest of it is Latin. :)

Oh, and I don't have an MP3 player...but on my computer I have Latin, German, proto-German and proto-French assuming that's actually what the odd languages are (dialects...there were tons back then) in Carmina Burana, French, Polish, Russian, Italian, Spanish, Greek, Japanese, and English. :D There are many composers of nationalities not represented by those languages, including at least one Dutchie, but they all chose to use more marketable languages for their compositions...

P.S. - I can totally hear The Erlking being clicked. Not that it would sound pretty...but it would go along with the whole running horse thing...sorta...

P.P.S. - I forgot cat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FAa-g_7PRM). :D

P.P.P.S. - I looked up Adiemus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7zJ0yVSSvE) and Treble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wopFZ3Wgmdk). Is that what you're talking about? lol...the Adiemus video is labelled as an Enya video in one of the "related videos"...which is totally understandable...not the sort of music I had you pegged for, Gonzo. :)

[GonzoTheGreat]

I first encountered Adiemus in this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD0RHc451ZI&feature=related), and it wasn't really easy to figure out what music was used there. Though it was not precisely the same, there's some bloke talking in parts of it here that wasn't in the version I saw.
And I had no idea at all that there were actual Adiemus clips. That's a bit of a surprise, I have to say.

As for it not being the sort of music you would think I listen to ... I used to have the Bolero on my player too, but that's a bit the wrong kind of music to listen to in a crowded train. First you have to turn the volume up quite far to hear anything at all, and then ...

[Sei'taer]

The Marriage of Figaro

Bugs did The Barber of Seville in english and it was excellent! Seems like he also conducted at a Figaro type concert and it was good too, but it might not have been english, its been too long since I saw it.

EDIT: I forgot to stay on topic. Whats an MP3 player? lol

[Weird Harold]

EDIT: I forgot to stay on topic. Whats an MP3 player? lol


Mine looks like this:

link to image (http://image1.cc-inc.com/prod/7278000/7278802_lg/Snap%20Sights!-H2OMan%20Waterproof%20MP3%20Player%20-%20512MB-MP3%20Players%20&%20Accessories.jpg)


Currently, it contains forty "best 100 classics" selections from various composers, Handle's Water Music and sixty-some Sousa Marches -- as I try to choreograph a swim-to-music-workout I can live with. The only language used is music.

[JSUCamel]

Them there's a funny lookin' em pee three player.

All jokes aside, I got my best friend an iPod Shuffle for Christmas two years ago. I wound up giving it to him 6 weeks early because he was running a half-marathon and had nothing to listen to. He loaded that baby up and when it was done, he said that he learned a few things about exercise music.

The big thing was that the best music was something with a steady rhythm, because you want to get your muscles moving with the same beat as the song. In addition, he said to mix it up a bit as far as rhythms because you need to let your body go back and forth between intense workouts and relaxed workouts. So a fast, upbeat song for a few minutes and then a slower, steady song for a few minutes, and then another upbeat, and so on and so forth.

When I picked him up at the finish line, I said "how was the Shuffle?" and he looks at me in dead in the eyes and says "Never put jazz music on an iPod while running."

He did say that putting music on helps take your mind off your breathing (which makes you breathe better) and takes your mind off the burn of your muscles as you run/swim/whatever.

Hope you find that right combo, WH. And see about finding a more stylish mp3 player. That looks like it came out of a happy meal :P

[Crispin's Crispian]

All jokes aside, I got my best friend an iPod Shuffle for Christmas two years ago. I wound up giving it to him 6 weeks early because he was running a half-marathon and had nothing to listen to. He loaded that baby up and when it was done, he said that he learned a few things about exercise music.

You got that right. I've found that NIN songs are usually pretty good for running, as is up-tempo hard rock. Classical could be, depending the song ("Marriage of Figaro" might actually be pretty good).

I've also found that songs with interesting lyrics are good, because it takes your mind off the workout.

[Weird Harold]

Them there's a funny lookin' em pee three player.
...
Hope you find that right combo, WH. And see about finding a more stylish mp3 player. That looks like it came out of a happy meal :P

It is actually not that funky looking when you take it out of the waterproof case/earbud combination. But it suited my budget at $65 for the 512MB version instead of the $144 Speedo's water resistant player (which is reportedly NOT all that water resistant) or the $244 (+shipping) for iPod's SwimMan, which is reportedly "the bee's knees" of waterproof sound systems.

It lacks a lot of features more expensive players have, but I can afford for this one to not live up to it's waterproof claims and it's not going to put in the poor house to replace if it's damaged, lost or stolen.

[Weird Harold]

You got that right. I've found that NIN songs are usually pretty good for running, as is up-tempo hard rock. Classical could be, depending the song ("Marriage of Figaro" might actually be pretty good).

What I'm finding is that I'm way too slow for most music to be comfortable to swim to -- Essentially I swim at "Half-Time" or "Funereal Pace" in marching terms. I'm trying to overcome nearly twenty-years of no exercise at all while smoking a pack-a-day, so I'm not up to any kind of vigorous workout -- but I am trying to swim 366 Nautical Miles for the term of my annual pool pass (by the first of November) so I'm up to 2,500-3,000 yards/day in a 1.5 hour session.

[Ivhon]

What I'm finding is that I'm way too slow for most music to be comfortable to swim to -- Essentially I swim at "Half-Time" or "Funereal Pace" in marching terms. I'm trying to overcome nearly twenty-years of no exercise at all while smoking a pack-a-day, so I'm not up to any kind of vigorous workout -- but I am trying to swim 366 Nautical Miles for the term of my annual pool pass (by the first of November) so I'm up to 2,500-3,000 yards/day in a 1.5 hour session.

Thats pretty impressive for coming back after 20 years of no exercise and smoking. That's about half of what an Olympic level swimmer would do during a workout in that amount of time - so you are doing really really well.

[Terez]

The Marriage of Figaro

Bugs did The Barber of Seville in english and it was excellent! Seems like he also conducted at a Figaro type concert and it was good too, but it might not have been english, its been too long since I saw it. There's a big difference between watching Bugs and Crew sing stuff and watching a bunch of jumped-up college kids and a few guest artists trying to actually make themselves understood from an unamplified stage in a big theater hall with questionable acoustics. With foreign language operas, you get a screen above the stage with translations. :)

EDIT: I forgot to stay on topic. Whats an MP3 player? lol I would say that we don't have those in Mississippi, but I'm pretty sure everyone's got one except for me...

I first encountered Adiemus in this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD0RHc451ZI&feature=related), and it wasn't really easy to figure out what music was used there. It's very familiar to me but I don't watch TV, nor do I listen to the radio, nor have I done either for about a decade. The other day some of my classmates were aghast that I had never heard of some group/person that goes by the name of Wicked, and I still haven't looked that one up...
Though it was not precisely the same, there's some bloke talking in parts of it here that wasn't in the version I saw. This sentence is grammatically weird. Camel could probably tell you the rules involved, but the way it's phrased (beginning with "though") makes it look like your second phrase is going to contrast the first one, and it ends up adding to it instead. I assume "though" is supposed to contrast the first phrase, so this would work: "It was not precisely the same, though; there's some bloke talking in parts of it here that wasn't in the version I sawr." (If you say bloke, you have to say sawr.) :)
And I had no idea at all that there were actual Adiemus clips. That's a bit of a surprise, I have to say. I have no idea if they're obscure or if they're known all between the four corners of the earth, but you can find pretty much anything on YouTube. ;) The biggest problem with classical music is that most of the stuff on YouTube is just done by whoever and it's usually not good...there's good stuff on there but it gets buried under a lot of crap sometimes.
Essentially I swim at "Half-Time" or "Funereal Pace" in marching terms.
You should try Chopin's funeral march - it's the 3rd movement of his second sonata for piano in b-flat minor, Op. 35. :)

[Weird Harold]

You should try Chopin's funeral march - it's the 3rd movement of his second sonata for piano in b-flat minor, Op. 35.

I think I've got a copy of that somewhere -- but it's probably not the complete work and I'm still stuck with compiling a bunch of 2 to 4 minutes excerpts into a continuous 90 minute workout (or ideally workouts, plural.)

[Weird Harold]

Thats pretty impressive for coming back after 20 years of no exercise and smoking. That's about half of what an Olympic level swimmer would do during a workout in that amount of time - so you are doing really really well.
I've tripled the distance since I started at the municipal pool in September, but I'm seriously not pushing too hard. I can and have done 3000 yards at 78 seconds/fifty yard lap, but I'm much more comfortable with a pace of about 84-85 seconds/fifty yards; that's a pace I can usually sustain for as long as I want to stay in the pool. A far cry from my efforts in the apartment complex pool last summer when I first strated exercising that two months averaged maybe 150 yards in 30 minutes.

Today, I did 60 timed laps in 1:22:55 (~~83 seconds/lap) and then added another eight untimed laps before the Hormone Horde (high school swim teams) took over the pool.

[GonzoTheGreat]

It's very familiar to me but I don't watch TV, nor do I listen to the radio, nor have I done either for about a decade.

No problem, as far as I can determine, the advertisement is from 1995, which is more than ten years ago, so you've seen it anyway.
(If you say bloke, you have to say sawr.) :)
Nope. Bloke is perfectly good english, there is no reason to start using colonial accents.

Weird Harold, I do agree with my fan (the one who has gone Gonzo) that it is impressive.

[Sei'taer]

I've been to the opera many times. I guess my favorite was Kallen Esperian in Puccini's Tosca. I have seen others and I go see plays on a fairly regular basis (my brother has a degree in theater). A lot come thru Memphis too. I'm not a total idiot when it comes to the classics. I even have some of the three tenors on my 'puter.

[Terez]

I've been to the opera many times. I guess my favorite was Kallen Esperian in Puccini's Tosca. I have seen others and I go see plays on a fairly regular basis (my brother has a degree in theater). A lot come thru Memphis too. I'm not a total idiot when it comes to the classics. I even have some of the three tenors on my 'puter.
lol...no one said you were an idiot - you might even know more about opera than I do, cause it's never been my main interest (piano music is my main interest, non-opera voice stuff a distant second). ;) Did you get the screen with translations at the operas you've been to? Those make it a lot easier to understand what's going on. :)

[Sei'taer]

lol...no one said you were an idiot - you might even know more about opera than I do, cause it's never been my main interest (piano music is my main interest, non-opera voice stuff a distant second). ;) Did you get the screen with translations at the operas you've been to? Those make it a lot easier to understand what's going on. :)

I've been to some that do translations on a screen. I've been to some that give you a program with thte translations in it. Either way I am pretty good at picking up whats going on in most cases.

I really like to go to plays. They have a pretty good theater in Memphis. I would have to say my favorite was Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are dead. Although they have started an outdoor theater in Germantown, TN and I plan on going and seeing some of those...I'll get a schedule when it comes out and post it here. I hear they are supposed to be fantastic. I"m thinking the first one is Midsummer nights dream, but that seems too easy so I think I may be wrong...

[GonzoTheGreat]

I'd forgotten Arabic; or rather, I was not sure enough I had any songs with Arabic texts in it on my player. I've found out today that I did, so here's a revised list, a bit less inaccurate than the previous one.

Arabic
Dutch
English
French
German
Latin
Made up language #1
Made up language #2
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish

[Ivhon]

I've been to some that do translations on a screen. I've been to some that give you a program with thte translations in it. Either way I am pretty good at picking up whats going on in most cases.

I really like to go to plays. They have a pretty good theater in Memphis. I would have to say my favorite was Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are dead. Although they have started an outdoor theater in Germantown, TN and I plan on going and seeing some of those...I'll get a schedule when it comes out and post it here. I hear they are supposed to be fantastic. I"m thinking the first one is Midsummer nights dream, but that seems too easy so I think I may be wrong...

A Midsummer Night's Dream is the obvious choice to open an outdoor theater with and for good reason. Im not typically a big fan of the obvious choice, but it makes sense from a business and artistic standpoint. The play itself is a favorite and is still riotously funny. It is meant to be performed outdoors. Good family fun that will pull folks in to the debut run for the theater. Evokes the whole "Shakespeare in the Park" thing which builds community pride. List goes on. All of this - assuming it is done correctly (which is never a given with Shakespeare) - make it a tough choice to argue with.

[Sei'taer]

I totally agree with you, Ivhon, and thats why I thought it was A misummer nights dream...turns out I was wrong though. Like I said, it was probably too easy for me to come up with as being a great play for outdoor theater. Here's the original writeup in the paper (I finally found it), after a little explanation.

The bad part of the whole story is that Jud Tepaske is a royal dickhead who refers to himself on the phone in such a way that you think he is saying Judge Tepaske. First time I talked to him he was yelling and trying to scare me, but I stood my ground and told him he should know the rules and regulations about using private land for parties and get togethers. The second time I talked to him, after I found out he was not a judge, I destroyed him with much engineering talk (planners are not engineers by any stretch of the imagination) And Mrs. Jane Lovitt is a 90 yr old complainer who has too much time and too much money. I've had many dealings with her in my ten years here. SHe is the reasson I had to get an unlisted number at home. Imagine getting calls from residents at home. Needless to say, i don't care for her very much.

Here's the article:

Germantown welcomes Shakespeare
Pilot season under the stars approved for temporary site
By Lela Garlington (Contact)
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
The curtain is going up for the newly formed Tennessee Shakespeare Company in Germantown.
The company cleared its last hurdle Tuesday night during a meeting of the Germantown Design Review Commission.
By a vote of 7-0, the board approved the group's temporary signs and energy efficient lighting for its pilot season this fall.
The Shakespeare Company is launching its season with the romantic woodland comedy, "As You Like It."
The action will start inside St George's Episcopal Church. When the scene shifts to the Forest of Arden, the actors will lead the audience outside and guide them to the 10-acre property behind the church that belongs to Barbara Apperson.
Two rows of trees will be lit with multicolored lights to guide the audience to 345 lawn chairs arranged in a wooded area near Apperson's home. A few lights will aim at a 50-by-55-foot natural staging area where the actors will perform.
Artistic director Dan McCleary said the sound from a small generator operating the lights would be as quiet as a sewing machine. No outdoor sound equipment is being used.
"A personal desire has become a community desire," McCleary said before the meeting. "There is momentum and faith behind the mission."
Before the vote, Jud Te Paske spoke briefly and reminded the board that neighbors had opposed the temporary site for the performances before the Board of Zoning Appeals. Paske, a planner, represented Jane Lovitt, who lives next to St. George's.
Paske said afterward that the neighbors want the Shakespeare Company to find another place to perform after this season.
George Walters, who is on the board of the Shakespeare Company, agreed, saying organizers are still hoping to use a portion of the city's Morgan Woods park area.
Shakespeare Festival
What: Tennessee Shakespeare Company's pilot season starts this fall
When: Oct. 1-19
Where: St. George's Episcopal Church, 2529 S. Germantown Road, Germantown
Play: The pastoral comedy "As You Like It"
Questions: Call (413) 841-6898 or e-mail danmccleary@gmail.com

[1Powerslave]

Hey Gonzo. What swedish songs do you listen to?

On my Mp3 player I think I have 95 % english language songs. The rest is swedish, and they are not many at all.

[psychomusician]

i dont currently have an mp3 player, but on my computer is

english (duh)
french
italian (i think)
romanian
hindi

kudos to anyone who can guess which songs those last two are

[Yuri33]

About 7-8 years ago, when MP3 players were still exotic devices, my parents bought me one. It was made by Compaq, of all companies, so you know it was a well-designed :) It came with the crappiest software for transferring MP3s to a device I have ever seen. But who cares, it was a freaking MP3 player, when everyone else was still running around with skip-happy portable CD players.

I remember opening that thing and being amazed that there was a whole 64 MB of memory available--I could fit an hour's worth of songs!

Cut to present day, and I still have (and use) the stupid thing when I go out to play beach volleyball or study. Why? Because I value such a thoughtful gift from my parents, because I hate throwing things away that still work, because I'm cheap...

But mostly because I refuse to buy an iPod that requires me to load the entire freakin' suit of Apple software (a music store? A web browser? A video player?) just to put a couple of songs on the thing.

Anyway, given the limited space of my ancient MP3 player, I only have English songs on right now.

Psychomusician--I don't know myself, but I have a few cousins that could probably tell you every Hindi song ever produced.

[GonzoTheGreat]

Hey Gonzo. What swedish songs do you listen to?
Waterloo, of course. I think that I have two others on the MP3 player too, but I can't remember which ones. And I have a couple more on my computer, which has greater storage capacity.

[Mort]

I started wondering how many (and which) languages were represented in the songs that I have on my MP3 player.

Swedish

What are you listening to in swedish Gonzo?

[Terez]

jeez, 1PS just asked him that...and he just answered! :p Waterloo! Whoever that is...

[Mort]

Ooops, missed page no 2 in the thread...

Waterloo? Never heard of before... unless you are talking about Abba - Waterloo, then I have, unfortunatly. But those are in english, not swedish.

Do you know swedish or are the music so great that you don't care? :)

I go with IPS on this one. Most of my songs are 95%, or more probably, english. Most of the better swedish bands sing in english too except a few. :)

[Terez]

missed page no 2 in the thread...
I have my options set to 40 posts per page. It makes life a lot simpler. :)

[psychomusician]

oh, i forgot, i also have some japanese (one from america, and a few from japan)

But mostly because I refuse to buy an iPod that requires me to load the entire freakin' suit of Apple software (a music store? A web browser? A video player?) just to put a couple of songs on the thing.

you can get a good mp3 player without jumping through the hoops of the ipod. get the creative zen. you load it just like a flash drive

[Weird Harold]

you can get a good mp3 player without jumping through the hoops of the ipod. get the creative zen. you load it just like a flash drive

As my (younger) granddaughter informed me, "all thumb drives are MP3 players but not all MP3 players are thumb drives."

I haven't actually checked that assertion, but it does hold true for the few that I've checked.

[GonzoTheGreat]

Waterloo? Never heard of before... unless you are talking about Abba - Waterloo, then I have, unfortunatly. But those are in english, not swedish.
Yes, no, or something like that.

Waterloo (indeed by Abba) was released simultaneously both in a swedish and an english version. It was their Eurovision Song Contest entry, and at the time those entries still had to be in the language of the individual countries. So Great Britain could have sent in a welsh song, but Sweden couldn't send in an english one.
Do you know swedish or are the music so great that you don't care?
I do not really (really not is closer) know swedish, and I'm a lot worse at reading it than I used to be. Looking back on it I do not really know how I managed it, but I once found Nils Holgersons Underbare Resa, and started reading it. Only when I was on page 3 or 4 did I realise that it wasn't in a language I knew. When I tried that a lot later, I found it wasn't as easy as I had remembered.

In the case of Waterloo, it definitely helps that I know the english version, but even then it's hard to really follow it.

[Mort]

Oh, okay. I'm not a big fan of Abba :)

[1Powerslave]

Such blasmphemy, Mort! I love Abba. :)

[caladanbrood]

I'm fairly sure all the songs I have are in English...

Actually, thats not true, I have some Rufus Wainwright songs where he sings French.

[Mort]

Such blasmphemy, Mort! I love Abba. :)

You are not a true swede! We should say we hate Abba, then secretly listen to them when no one is around! Gosh!

Seriously, Abba? Okay if you are 40 or more and actually were around when they were popular, but now? Meh :)

[Terez]

I sort of have to agree with Mort. I liked them when I was a kid. But now they're just cheesy. :p

[Anaiya Sedai]

English
French
German
Latin
Made up language #1 (the language of mordor, I'm not that much of a geek to remember the name of it :P)
Made up language #2 (some weird thing - you know what metal bands are like)
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Romanian

and carmina burana :D i think everyone has that...but how many people have a recording of their own choir doing it? :D

We did Suor Angelica in english, but I noticed that the Senza Mamma aria was half italian, half english, depending on which language fit the music.. and you must admit, "ma donna, salve me!" sounds better than any possible english translation..

[1Powerslave]

I guess I am getting old then. :)

I think that finding ABBA cheesy is er... a sign of youth. Much like I think that dismissing many things in general as cheesy is. Though in your case Terez I think it may be because you listen too much to the lyrics and analyze too much maybe. Personally I don't listen to lyrics very much in a song. The voice is just another instrument in my book, and it is the music I enjoy. I find ABBA very talented musicians, singers and music writers.
To summarize, liking ABBA is a maturity thing. Song grow up! ;):D

Mort, you definately need to dig a little beyond the ABBA Gold album. They have 20-30 more songs just as cachy and some better imho. http://www.abbasite.com/start/

[1Powerslave]

Made up language #2 (some weird thing - you know what metal bands are like)
Are you perhaps referring to growling? They do say the english words, if you listen carefully, you know. :)

[GonzoTheGreat]

Made up language #1 (the language of mordor, I'm not that much of a geek to remember the name of it :P)
It was called the Black Speech. I have to admit that I had to look that up.
Made up language #2 (some weird thing - you know what metal bands are like)
Could be english, considering how difficult it sometimes is to understand what they're grunting.

[Terez]

1PS...ABBA is for kids. Bach is a sign of maturity. :p And I rarely pay much attention to the words....

Yeah, ABBA is much higher quality as far as the music goes than most stuff that's out there. I'll give you that. But jeez...don't even TRY to accuse me of being unsophisticated when it comes to music. :p ABBA is teh cheez...

@ Anaiya...my choir did it about 14 years ago and it's about time for us to do it again. So maybe I'll have a recording with me singing in it sometime soon. :D