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Frenzy
06-22-2009, 10:11 AM
Amazing how such a libertarian-leaning state could not think this was a dumbass idea.
Bozeman Drops Policy Seeking Internet Passwords

By Matt Gouras, Associated Press , 06-20-09
HELENA The City of Bozeman decided Friday to abruptly suspend its practice of asking job seekers for the user names and passwords to their Internet social networking and Web groups.

The city said the practice "appears to have exceeded that which is acceptable to our community."

Ever since the policy was brought to light this week, Web forums have been abuzz and city officials flooded with phone calls. The American Civil Liberties Union of Montana immediately questioned the legality of the policy, saying it was like officials wanting "to look at your love letters and your family photos."

The city initially argued that it only used the information to verify application information and said it wouldn't hold it against anyone for refusing to provide it.

But late Friday the city issued a release saying it will suspend the practice until it conducts a further evaluation of the policy. The city said it had begun reviewing the policy once it began receiving media inquiries on the matter this week.

"We appreciate the concern many citizens have expressed regarding this practice and apologize for the negative impact this issue is having on the City of Bozeman," City Manager Chris A. Kukulski said in a release.

He said the city had "permanently ceased the practice of requesting candidates selected for city positions under a provisional job offer to provide user names and passwords for the candidate's internet sites."

But overall, this city was just suspending "its practice of reviewing candidate's password-protected internet information until the city conducts a more comprehensive evaluation of the practice."

City officials did not return calls late Friday seeking to clarify what aspect was being permanently ceased and what portions of its practice were simply being suspended.

The matter is likely to be discussed at a scheduled meeting of the Bozeman City Commission early next week.

The city application had been asking for complete login information for sites such as Facebook and YouTube.

Bozeman City Commissioner Jeff Rupp said earlier that city officials implemented the policy without going through the commission.
as a public employee, i know and have to live with the fact that the right for the public to know trumps the right of privacy in many situations, but i seriously doubt that this is one of them.

Sei'taer
06-22-2009, 10:28 AM
right there with you, Frenzy.

GonzoTheGreat
06-22-2009, 10:39 AM
I would have expected it to be a trick question. Anyone dumb enough to actually give his or her user name and password is someone who isn't suitable for any job that requires more than two working braincells.

Since it apparently was for real, I wonder what they did with the information. Suppose they stored it, then someone else (or someone working for that city) abused the information, then who would be liable for the results?
Definitely an interesting case, that. Very interesting legal ramifications that I'm sure you wouldn't want your city council to get caught up in. Could get very costly.

Hopper
06-22-2009, 12:07 PM
As another one of our resident public employees I wouldn't even consider giving that information. The community's right to know what I'm doing ends once my shift is over.

Sei'taer
06-22-2009, 01:34 PM
Hopper and Frenzy...If y'all have time jump on yahoo...I'm looking for some info on fire hydrant locking systems and I'm curious if either of you know anything about them. Good, bad etc.

hippie-joe
06-22-2009, 06:44 PM
well i know back in my using days i had pictures of weed and other drugs in my myspace, but the way facebook works that wouldn't really be needed. and it's not like it's hard to change it.

and whats to stop you from saying, "i don't have an account on anything like that."

Zanguini
06-22-2009, 09:30 PM
well if you did and didnt put it on an application they can terminate for falsifying your application

hippie-joe
06-22-2009, 10:44 PM
well if you did and didnt put it on an application they can terminate for falsifying your application
i suppose but how will they find out? and if they did you could always say you got it after the fact. eitherway it was stated that it was optional

Ozymandias
06-23-2009, 09:19 AM
As another one of our resident public employees I wouldn't even consider giving that information. The community's right to know what I'm doing ends once my shift is over.

What if your poisoning the town resevoir?

GonzoTheGreat
06-23-2009, 09:29 AM
Then they'll find out anyway, so it wouldn't be necessary for you to tell them.

Neilbert
06-23-2009, 10:44 AM
What if your poisoning the town resevoir?

Pretty sure that's a crime, as well as a public health issue. I don't know if they have a right to know who is poisoning the water, but they certainly have a right to do what it takes to find out and prevent lots of death.

i suppose but how will they find out? and if they did you could always say you got it after the fact.

It's pretty easy to find someone's facebook just from scraps of information you find on the internet. Having a job application with your full name and address would make is super easy, and once you find it, you can usually tell how long they have had it because of various pictures and things.

Sarevok
06-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
What if your poisoning the town resevoir?

Pretty sure that's a crime, as well as a public health issue. I don't know if they have a right to know who is poisoning the water, but they certainly have a right to do what it takes to find out and prevent lots of death.

Fifth amendment anyone?

Neilbert
06-23-2009, 10:57 AM
That's the right not to self incriminate, not the right to not be investigated. The fifth amendment (among others) is why I said I'm not sure they have a right to know.

Also I would imagine "public health issue" would change things a little bit.

"What it takes" meaning within a legal standard. Obviously I don't mean to imply they could go around torturing people until someone talks. Or at least I would really hope that would be obvious. :(

Dragon Thief
06-25-2009, 01:53 AM
Not to mention it's against the terms of service for most online sites to give your username / password to third parties. Combine that with the fact that Lori Drew just got "convicted" of a hamhocked version of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (the federal anti-hacking law) because she used bad info to log into myspace, and there's a pretty strong case to be made that the city is trying to make others willfully break their contracts (sini or SP or someone will have to fill out the legal jargon here).