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AbbeyRoad
06-24-2009, 05:30 PM
Hi there TL. I'm a long time lurker, and when I say long time, I'm talking like 8 years on and off. I love the site you guys have here, and I have no idea why it's taken me so long to actually make an account, but I just thought I'd introduce myself.

I'm very well versed in WoT lore, have read all the books several times and I'm familiar with just about all of the major theories. So... nice to meet you.

P.S. Graendal killed Asmodean. It's obvious.

Terez
06-24-2009, 05:33 PM
Nice user name. Welcome. :)

Brita
06-24-2009, 05:44 PM
Well hello Abbey! I lurked for a while too before signing up, but not quite as long as you!

Since you have lurked for a while, you should blend in nicely. Knowing the personalities ahead of joining definitely helps, I found :)

Davian93
06-24-2009, 08:08 PM
Love the user name...it lends itself to the obvious avatar to go with it.

I agree about Graendal...Welcome!!!

AbbeyRoad
06-24-2009, 11:26 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm no stranger to the site, but I would always just read the theories to get a little extra insight to add to my own crazy theories. Anyways, it got to the point where I was too frustrated with some of the dialog and decided to make an account to add my voice to the debates.

I've probably picked a bad time to join up, with most of the horses already flogged way beyond death, rebirth, and reanimation, but at least there might be some good discussion when the new book comes out this fall. Plus I have some theories of my own I would love to get some feedback on.

Sarevok
06-25-2009, 02:39 AM
Wow... a real new user!! :eek: I think we haven't had one of those in months... :|

Welcome :D

GonzoTheGreat
06-25-2009, 05:11 AM
Could be a real clever spam bot, of course.

If Graendal tried to sell you a fake Rolex, would you buy or not?

Anaiya Sedai
06-25-2009, 05:38 AM
welcome abbey *waves*

AbbeyRoad
06-25-2009, 09:30 PM
If Graendal tried to sell you a fake Rolex, would you buy or not?

Depends, of course, on the price and quality of the Folex. And if she was wearing that flimsy, see-through AoL streith gown.

Nazbaque
06-25-2009, 09:58 PM
Welcome Abbey. Have you ever considered giving the love of fire a place in your soul?

*Sets himself on fire*

Good Me, I've missed this.

Matoyak
06-25-2009, 11:44 PM
Welcome to TL, ~insert stolen welcome here...I thinks me I stole it from JWB?~ Straitjackets are to the left, insanity wards are down the hall and to the right (second door, don't enter the first, that's Room 101). Ignore the crookedjackets, those haven't been touched since JWB's intro, IIRC.

Good to see you already know the ropes. I would have to wish you good luck otherwise. And I like to keep what little of that I have to meself, heh ;)

AbbeyRoad
06-26-2009, 12:21 AM
Welcome Abbey. Have you ever considered giving the love of fire a place in your soul?

Who isn't a pyro at heart? Fortunately for my well-being, my fascination with fire is just a visual fetish, and I haven't burned anything *significant* down... yet.

Although I do burn all my useless med school notes in a giant bonfire after the end of each year. Quite satisfying.

Nazbaque
06-26-2009, 12:30 AM
Oh you don't need to set yourself on fire to be a Friend of the Flame. Just me. Or just roast whatever happens to take your fancy on me.

Which reminds me: Brita! Have I promoted you to Firelady yet?

Terez
06-26-2009, 12:33 AM
*sings*

And so I quit the p'lice department
And got myself a steady job
And though she tried her best to help me
She could steal, but she could not rob...

AbbeyRoad
06-26-2009, 12:42 AM
Didn't anybody tell her?
Didn't anybody see?
Sunday's on the phone to Monday
Tuesday's on the phone to me
Oh yeah

God, I love my life. And Terez, you have good taste in music. Are you studying any music theory or are you a musician, because I've never met anyone quoting She Came In Through The Bathroom Window who didn't know what they were talking about musically.

EDIT: Spelling, again. I'm sure there are many grammar policemen among you all.

Matoyak
06-26-2009, 12:44 AM
God, I love my life. And Terez, you have good taste in music. Are you studying any music theory or are you a musician, because I've never met anyone quoting She Came In Through The Bathroom Window who didn't know what they were talking about musically.

EDIT: Spelling, again. I'm sure there are many grammar police among you guys.
Yes she is. Don't inflate her head anymore than you have to though :p

Terez
06-26-2009, 12:45 AM
Ha, yes I'm studying music theory, and yes, the second side of Abbey Road is only for the hard core fans, lol. Though I want to say that the second side of Abbey Road is what MADE me such a hard core fan...

Terez
06-26-2009, 12:45 AM
Yes she is. Don't inflate her head anymore than you have to though :p
Hmph, it's impossible to deflate my head, so there's no harm in it. :p

Matoyak
06-26-2009, 12:47 AM
Hmph, it's impossible to deflate my head, so there's no harm in it. :p
Maybe a good sharp dart or two thrown just right...:p

Nazbaque
06-26-2009, 12:57 AM
It's been tried. It didn't work.

Terez
06-26-2009, 02:50 AM
*sings again*

One sweet dream
Pick up the bags
Get in the limousine

Soon we'll be away from here
Step on the gas
And wipe that tear away.

One sweet dream
Came true today.

Nazbaque
06-26-2009, 03:12 AM
Okay. Now who's dead?

Sarevok
06-26-2009, 05:31 AM
Okay. Now who's dead?
Michael Jackson?

Nazbaque
06-26-2009, 06:41 AM
Terez hated him that much?

Terez
06-26-2009, 11:56 PM
Nah, he wrote some good tunes.

Anaiya Sedai
06-27-2009, 06:03 AM
she's just trying to show off now ;)

*roasts marshmallows*

grammar police? us? :rolleyes:

http://images.nliven.com/fb/getflair/pf_img/051ec06af5739120a487a4e9bcde812981aab2c9.jpg

Terez
06-27-2009, 06:03 PM
Now I'm wondering which debates were frustrating you to the point of causing you to de-lurk after eight years, as you don't seem to have jumped in any...

Zaela Sedai
06-27-2009, 07:50 PM
Consider yourself officially welcomed to Theoryland Abbey! (I'm a bad Mistress!!!! I agree it was Graendal!!! ) I'm sure you've noticed, we have a pretty decent community of WoT fanatics over here. One of the ways that we keep it all friendly is a short list of courtesies we ask people to follow and, once in a while, actually do get followed. Imagine that! Insane people following some sort of order!


1) Don't flood the board with multiple THREADS all at once.
Allow us the time to absorb, evaluate, and discuss, OR LAUGH at one or two ideas, OR JOKES at a time. Some of us like to do a little research before responding and that can take a little time. Of course, we also have those others who are just a bit slow. Read that as "just can't handle more than one thought in their heads at once" or "dial-up modem". Your choice. I'd suggest "have a real life", but not likely. Does anyone still have dial up? Wow...it's getting hard to give the slow people an excuse

Addendum to 1) Try to stay on topic.
Going off on tangents can be super fun and is something we are all guilty of your's truly included but try and keep threads on topic unless, 1) the thread is dead or 2) the thread naturally moves over to another topic. This rule is much more lax for joke threads, pop culture threads...etc.

2) Try to back up your opinions & theories.
You'll get a lot more respect if you can. Quotes from the books (of which you CANNOT read too much) are your best weapon. Quotes from interviews are semi-acceptable. Gut feelings are pseudo-acceptable. Whitecloak blind-faith is best submitted while wearing asbestos panties.

3) Feel free to get as emotionally involved as you'd like.
Discussions can get very heated. But try not to take things personally. Remember: we only insult the ones we love. Or the ones we eventually hand over to the Trollocs.

4) Be respectful.
A lot of people have been around Theoryland for a long time. Being a Youngling means you're new around here. We do understand that you may have been reading WoT forever, but if you're gonna pick a fight regarding a WoT theory with someone who's an Elder, Ancient or Hero, understand that they've been around for a while now, and probably have posting friends. And Tamyrlin is Lord of the Board for a reason: this whole place is his brainchild. Keep that in mind. They also have posting enemies.... a good little bit of information to tuck away.

Addendum to 4: This is an international community.
In regards to the Non-WoT discussion groups, please respect the opinions of people from nations and cultures other than your own, even if you disagree with them or the policies of their leaders and politicians. Try to remember that not everyone here has the same outlook or life experience that you might. If you want to send a letter or e-mail to anyone in particular to indicate any specific moral, educational, intellectual, or genetic deficiencies they may have, feel free. Just please don't do it here.

Addendum 1 to Addendum 4: We don't all agree about the issues regarding the military action in Iraq. Post about this issue at your own risk. Things seem to be under control now. Though, there have been some flare-ups….be careful. We have had our own TLers over there, back home safe and sound, hope it stays that way. (I can't wait to be able to delete this Addendum.)

Addendum 2 to Addendum 4: Please no angry profanity.
If you really need to tell someone off, be creative. And replacing characters with @$$ does NOT constitute creativity. I like tend to like the Shakespearean approach myself. The smarter and more subtle you are with it, just makes the person look that much more an idiot.

Addendum 3 to Addendum 4: Please be nice to Newbies.
We were all new at one time you are one right now and there is no need to come down on anyone for asking questions that to the elder community may be basic knowledge. This is for you to remember after you've been here awhile.

Addendum 4 to Addendum 4: Please TRY not to feed the Trolls.
Trust me, it ain't easy at times, but ignore the obvious instigators. Just sit yourself down between the Heroes and Ancients sharpening the WTF Couch sticks. There are many on the board who know how to deal with this breed, leave them to it. It can be quite entertaining. If things get too offensive to the population in general, Mods will intervene. Feel free, however, to respond to Gonzo, our Resident Troll, we love him like a red-headed step child.

5) Please don't use the New Users Forum to recruit.
We have plenty of room in the other forums for begging for support for factions, theories, and the TCA. Please let the newbies look around for a while before taking sides in any pseudo-battles. ~looks around~ our biggest offender has not been around for a while ~sniff~


6) Most important: Have Fun!
We do this because we love it and like to think that we are, at least, reasonably intelligent. Hell, some of us have deluded ourselves into believing that we've evolved into supremely intelligent beings! Half the posters here believe that divine supremacy has already come to them! My vote is for Frenzy, and myself, of course. You know the Truth when you see it. :D Don't let T and her massive bag o' quotes fool you. ;) We will assume some intelligence on your part. You found us, didn't you? Until you prove otherwise…and there are many who have, you'll be safe. If you get hurt if you do prove otherwise, I will offer my one free Healing…but just that once.

Remember, you EARN your respect here, it's not given out freely and some may never know the pleasure.


Welcome to our little rounded corner! It’s a great time!



Enjoy!

Zaela Sedai, Official Theoryland Greeter, Mistress of Novices


P.S.: Be good…don’t make me take out my chains, I am the Lady of them for a reason! ;) stupid no evil smilie



KEEP READING IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU ;)
Here's some stuff you'd be much better off knowing BEFORE you post :cool:


Hierarchy

Heroes of the Horn

Have been here longer than most, and some of them have been around since the dawn of time. You don't have to worship at their feet (well you can worship at Frenzy's, if you must), but a little respect goes a long way.


Ancients

The next group down from HotH. Also tend to be prolific posters, although some Ancients suffer from a mysterious disease. It sometimes happens that once an Ancient is raised, they disappear for a while, or forever. It really can be a blessing in disguise.


Elders

The next group up from Younglings. More knowledgeable than Younglings, not necessarily less knowledgable than Ancients. They have been here long enough to know better about most things. I repeat, MOST things


Younglings

By far the biggest bunch at Theoryland. Just means that you are recently signed up, not that you're young and/or immature. You might have to prove that, though. But you can edit your own posts! Yippee! Umm yeah...enjoy that.



So, how do you move up the Ranks?

Well, posting madly and racking up a huge post count, begging for Reputation Scores won't get you anywhere. It's not even just about hanging around for a set amount of time.

Here's how you DO move up: participate thoughtfully and politely so that when Tamyrlin decides the time has come for a Raising, you're seen as an asset to the community. Or whenever he gets around to it.

When the feeling strikes him, Tamyrlin, The Lord Of The Board aka LotB, or Fearless Leader or Lordy, (but only I may get away with that one), confers with the Heroes of the Horn and Ancients and selects those to be raised to a higher level. It is an entirely manual and subjective process that stresses "quality" over "quantity." The amount of time since you gained your current rank plays a role, as do post counts, to a lesser extent. Thoughtful, intelligent and polite posting is by far the biggest factor.


Other important information...

The ESC does not stand for Escape. Instead it stands for the Entropy Sideline Club It has a big comfy couch, capable of fitting all TL members at once if they choose to sit there. Made of fire-proof, balefire-proof, and belafire-proof hope to God you aren't in the room if this occurs fabric. Comes with all sorts of built in coolers stuffed full of yummy snacks and drinks; for some reason, Mountain Dew seems to be a favourite around here and lots of places to just sit back and enjoy the reason you're sitting there. Basically if you hang out on the ESC Couch, you are observing the debates taking place: Iraq, religion, government, Santa Claus (you name it, we argue over it) and laughing at the people who are debating, and/or the debate itself. The ESC is not full of fence-sitters, rather we are ambivalent or way too smart to jump in. Or lazy. Most times, it's lazy. The ESC Couch (ESC Head Quarters) is located somewhere fun...lots of room for partying whenever the mood strikes us. We have recently debuted the WTF Couch...for those "Special" moments. Moments that induce the sharpening of the not-so-elusive poking stick. Poking posters with sticks is exclusively limited to Ancients and Heroes. We do, however, take requests.



The TCA. Theoryland Chataholics Anonymous. This group is comprised mostly of the younger set of TL members. not that there's anything wrong with that I have been assured they do more than sit in corners and stare at their navels. although I've yet to see evidence of that ~sarcasm~ They have a lot of fun, and most of it involves cookies. They are somewhat defunct right now, as we have no chat, alas! Don't worry, they'll be back with a vengeance as soon as chat is up and running here. Lordy says, soon. ~shifty eyes~



Quotemasters, AKA Masters/Mistresses of the Quote:
If you sign up for a Premium membership to the site, you get the ability to search the database for quotes to back up your theories, or the theories of those you like. It also gives you the ability to slam dunk the theories of others with a really well-placed quote. A Premium membership only costs $15 for a year and $50 for a lifetime membership. Just do it, you know you want to! But, a warning. Being in possession of a TL Premium membership does not a Quotemaster make. You must apprentice and train under the Quotemasters. Of which there are two and three quarters. Jason Wolfbrother, Callandor retired for now, Terez and the Quote Mistress, although she seems to be in semi-retirement: Me. You'll see me throw one in every now and again! Frenzy was the Dark Mother of us all she may occasionally find some time when her biological children are occupied and throw in a quote or two ;) Downside? You only get 100 quote searches a month, and a true quotemaster is invariably without quote searches towards the end, so they get cranky. Withdrawal does that, didn't ya know?

AbbeyRoad
06-27-2009, 09:07 PM
Now I'm wondering which debates were frustrating you to the point of causing you to de-lurk after eight years, as you don't seem to have jumped in any...

I made the decision to join a little while ago, and me being lazy caused me to procrastinate quite a bit. As far as jumping into debates now, what is there to jump in? There hasn't been a big new theory being debated in a long time on this site. I just wanted to have an account established by the time the new book came out so I could participate in the discussions then, and maybe post a theory or two in the mean time (still in progress).

GonzoTheGreat
06-28-2009, 03:47 AM
... and maybe post a theory or two in the mean time (still in progress).Now that is the kind of theory quite a few of us have. Quite often, those theories turn out to be a lot better than the ones that do get posted, for some reason. :p

Terez
06-28-2009, 03:51 AM
As far as jumping into debates now, what is there to jump in?
I admit there isn't much at the moment. But the timing for your de-lurking is more clear now at least. :D

DahLliA
06-28-2009, 10:03 AM
welcome :D

Ozymandias
06-29-2009, 05:24 PM
I've probably picked a bad time to join up, with most of the horses already flogged way beyond death, rebirth, and reanimation, but at least there might be some good discussion when the new book comes out this fall. Plus I have some theories of my own I would love to get some feedback on.

Nah, its just that Tam is super busy and never updates the main page (please!). I know I must have 4 theories (most half baked) sitting in the queue at the moment. Or they were long ago thrown out. One or the other.

Plus, losing Cal hurt.

irerancincpkc
06-30-2009, 07:58 AM
Welcome to Theoryland! :D

And it was clearly Lanfear...

WinespringBrother
06-30-2009, 09:57 AM
welcome, AbbeyRoad! Nice name :) and you probably registered in time for this place to hopefully liven up in about 4 months...

tworiverswoman
07-01-2009, 01:56 AM
Welcome, Abbey! It IS really nice to see something new going on in here. It's been so long I haven't been bothering to look lately. Imagine my surprise to see...

Zae - I like the new, updated greet! Beautiful (but intimidating as hell to a NEW newbie, I suspect... :p)
stupid no evil smilie I've offered you several to choose from more than once...

And would you guys please explain the remarks about the song? I've always liked it (even the one in the movie) but don't have a clue what you two are nattering about...

Terez
07-01-2009, 12:22 PM
What song?

Abbey Road is an album - the last one the Beatles recorded (though Let It Be was the last one released, due to the infighting in the bad over the album).

It has some great songs on it, and it's probably best known for its second side which is basically a medley of a bunch of different songs, one of which is She Came In Through the Bathroom Window.

You can hear most of the second side here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-YICwcQPk&feature=related

I was looking for just She Came In Through the Bathroom Window, and I discovered that there's a slow version of it that was released on the Anthology (which I don't have and have never listened to).

The other bit I quoted was from "You Never Give Me Your Money", also a part of the medley.

Tamyrlin
07-15-2009, 10:36 AM
Graendal?

What the...?

I mean - welcome to Theoryland.

P.S. - Feel free to post your thoughts about Graendal as Asmodean's killer on the General WoT forum...I love ridiculing this idea. :)

123seem
07-15-2009, 11:19 AM
still about Asmodean's killer? He isnt dead anymore at least i think, just transformed into Shaidar Haran

Zaela Sedai
07-16-2009, 09:43 PM
lol Tru...I've been using that greet since we moved here :p

Davian93
07-16-2009, 10:14 PM
Graendal?

What the...?

I mean - welcome to Theoryland.

P.S. - Feel free to post your thoughts about Graendal as Asmodean's killer on the General WoT forum...I love ridiculing this idea. :)

Yet you argue that Avi did it...

Terez
07-16-2009, 10:20 PM
Cause she did.

GonzoTheGreat
07-17-2009, 04:13 AM
Avi is innocent. Free Avi!

Nazbaque
07-17-2009, 05:39 AM
Avi? Why would Avi do it? and how? He keeps pigeons in Mardecin, Amadicia.

GonzoTheGreat
07-17-2009, 06:04 AM
And now he is being unfairly accused of the murder of the Dragon Reborn's court bard. That's why I am organising a "save Avi" movement.

Nazbaque
07-17-2009, 06:10 AM
I'd be a lot happier if someone else was doing that. Someone who can spell organizing for one. Avi is doomed.

GonzoTheGreat
07-17-2009, 06:20 AM
I (try to) write in english, not in american or portuguese. Occasionally, when relevant, I may provide a bit in latin, german, dutch or french, but usually I provide translations when I do that.

And of course Avi is doomed. He's innocent, but that's no defense, is it?
If it were, all those "Lanfear did it" people would've stopped yelling years ago.

Sarevok
07-17-2009, 06:23 AM
I (try to) write in english, not in american or portuguese. Occasionally, when relevant, I may provide a bit in latin, german, dutch or french, but usually I provide translations when I do that.

And of course Avi is doomed. He's innocent, but that's no defense, is it?
If it were, all those "Lanfear did it" people would've stopped yelling years ago.
Sorry if this is a stupid question... but who's this Avi you're talking about?
Last time I read the books, Avienda was a she.

GonzoTheGreat
07-17-2009, 07:20 AM
Read And Find Out:
tFoH, Figs and Mice, Chapter 10

"Narenwin Barda," the seamstress gasped suddenly. Words tripped over one another spilling out of her. "I send my reports to Narenwin Barda, at an inn in Tar Valon called The Upriver Run. Avi Shendar keeps pigeons for me on the edge of town. He doesn't know who I send messages to or who I get them from, and he does not care. His wife had the falling sickness, and..." She trailed off, shuddering and watching Juilin.

Zanguini
07-17-2009, 08:30 AM
Personally Ive always thought it was Gonzo, with the lead pipe, in the Conservatory.

GonzoTheGreat
07-17-2009, 09:13 AM
The lead pipe and the Conservatory may well be correct, but it wasn't me. As my sensei told me: if you really want to beat someone to death, do it from behind. Giving them an opportunity to fight back simply makes no sense at all. The "You? No!" proves my innocence.

tanaww
07-20-2009, 09:15 AM
Personally Ive always thought it was Gonzo, with the lead pipe, in the Conservatory.

Funny, I think it was Piglet, in the Library with the rope.