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Anaiya Sedai
08-16-2009, 06:22 AM
I saw this in the paper this morning and it made me really sad.
In my opinion, it's child abuse, and I don't really know which one of the children I feel more sorry for.
Her parents should set the money aside for their childrens' future or something.

Linky to the full article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1205122/At-just-11-Brogan-SPOILT-child-Britain.html)

‘I just wanted the best for her and when I walked into a shop and saw something lovely I just had to have it for her. When she started nursery, the staff used to say to me

“Brogan’s clothes are getting ruined, can you bring her in some old clothes?” But she didn’t have any, they were all designer, and she’d regularly come home with them spattered in paint.’

Alison first started colouring Brogan’s hair when she was three - pink wash-out highlights to match her pink designer Moschino dress, for a party at the nursery. And with matching nail extensions, of course.

‘Then, when she was about six, her blonde hair started to go a bit dull, so I put in some permanent highlights to brighten it up and it looked lovely. She liked it so much she kept asking to go lighter and lighter,’ says Alison.

‘Now she’s into Lady GaGa she wants to look just like her, with long hair and a white blonde fringe. She likes dressing up in the same outfits too, leotards and hotpants, but she’s not allowed out in clothes like that.’

With her designer outfits, highlighted hair, high heels and make-up, Brogan is regularly mistaken for an 18-year-old, while Alison - who hardly ever wears make-up - is the one asked for identification when she tries to buy a 15-rated DVD.

‘Brogan will say to me “Mum, you’re not going out hairdressing again tonight are you?”, and I’ll reply “Where do you think all the money comes from to pay for your things?

GonzoTheGreat
08-16-2009, 07:14 AM
No comment, and you can quote me on that.

DahLliA
08-16-2009, 10:35 AM
the world is just great isn't it...

Frenzy
08-16-2009, 02:07 PM
The libertarian in me says people can waste their money however they want, and spoil their children rotten to their weak heart's content.

The cynic in me hopes mummy and pop are proud of the little whore they're raising, since once this child encounters the real world she'll be selling her services to maintain her lifestyle.

Uno
08-16-2009, 02:51 PM
An extreme expression of an overall societal trend found among a lot of young people, I'd say. Maybe I'm a bit of a reactionary elitist, but I've got nothing but contempt for these kinds of values and priorities, and I admit that I wouldn't say that being a model makes you a "somebody," as the article suggests.

Other than that, it sounds to me like the mother's still playing with dolls, only that this one is a living one. The father's really no more responsible, though. It also seems like the girl at some level realizes that this is all a bit too much, since she's at times actually apologetic about it, and that the parents should therefore be able to put an end to this vicious cycle without too much difficulty.

Anaiya Sedai
08-16-2009, 03:58 PM
This is Brogan's response to the comments on the Daily Mail website:

Leave Me Alone Its My Life I Have Asked 2 Be Brought Up This Way So Shut Up Ok I Will Live How I Wnt to Live (Designer Kid) Yeah Thats Me So Every Bad Comment You Have Left Me Every1 Of You Better Say Sorry, And My Mum nd Dad Work And My Sister Just Doesn't Mind What She Get She is Happy With Anything I WIsh I Was Like That But I Am Not And I Am Happy The Way I Am So leave Me Alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- Brogan Mackay, Glasgow Scotland,

Perhaps they should spend some of their money on an English tutor...

Uno
08-16-2009, 04:36 PM
Leave Me Alone Its My Life I Have Asked 2 Be Brought Up This Way So Shut Up Ok I Will Live How I Wnt to Live (Designer Kid) Yeah Thats Me So Every Bad Comment You Have Left Me Every1 Of You Better Say Sorry..

Well, the kid can consider the negative comments a first taste of celebrity life. That's what her mother wants for her, and the interview she gave is a pretty clever way of giving the girl an early chance to be famous for being famous.

Davian93
08-16-2009, 07:01 PM
This is Brogan's response to the comments on the Daily Mail website:



Perhaps they should spend some of their money on an English tutor...

Why is every word capitalized? Seriously...what an odd choice to make when screwing up grammar.

Terez
08-16-2009, 08:42 PM
I bet this chick ends up pulling a reverse Graendal. She'll be burning her bras in a few years.

Davian93
08-16-2009, 09:36 PM
I bet this chick ends up pulling a reverse Graendal. She'll be burning her bras in a few years.

I see her being spit out of the bottom of the pron industry in 5-10 years personally.

StrangePackage
08-16-2009, 10:13 PM
This is what I call a walking advertisement for the Estate Tax.

Ozymandias
08-16-2009, 10:36 PM
I see her being spit out of the bottom of the pron industry in 5-10 years personally.

Make that 7-10 and I agree.

Sinistrum
08-16-2009, 11:09 PM
Looks like everything that is wrong with pop culture just got itself a poster child.

ShadowbaneX
08-16-2009, 11:12 PM
Looks like everything that is wrong with pop culture just got itself a poster child.
I thought that was Paris Hilton...

Dragon Thief
08-17-2009, 01:22 AM
I thought that was Paris Hilton...

Paris isn't a child, her mentality not withstanding. She's more like the dimwitted mascot, maybe?

tworiverswoman
08-17-2009, 05:35 AM
Paris isn't stupid - just shallow.

The parents can't have the money to sustain this when she becomes an adult, and she doesn't have a clue how hard it will be to pay for it, either. At age 11, there's really no way to break her out of this sense of perfect justification, no matter that she sometimes says "sorry" to mum. She says "sorry" but not "don't keep working overtime just to keep me in overpriced things." She's a monster, through no fault of her own, and I feel so sorry for her it hurts.

She's a "Poor Little wannabe Rich Kid." Reality isn't going to teach her a damn thing except that she's been gypped. Parents like hers ... I don't know that they are worse than abusers - but they are on a level with them.

Davian93
08-17-2009, 06:52 AM
Make that 7-10 and I agree.

Sorry, forgot she was 12...yeah, 7-10 years is more accurate.

GonzoTheGreat
08-17-2009, 06:56 AM
Davian, are you saying that she managed to give you the impression that she was very mature for her age?

Anaiya Sedai
08-17-2009, 07:14 AM
I wonder what her younger sister will feel like in a few years, when she starts realising how much money her parents are spending on her sister. Resentment, jealousy, who knows what'll come of it, but I doubt that she still "won't care" when she is old enough to understand.
I see a whole load of therapy waiting to be paid for.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-17-2009, 09:35 AM
Well, the journalist should have written with a bit less judgment in the tone of the article.


On the other hand, that girl (and her mum) are in for a VERY rude awakening.

tworiverswoman
08-17-2009, 09:49 PM
This is what I call a walking advertisement for the Estate Tax.Why? Her parents are "working class" folk -- and don't have ANYTHING saved up, since they spend it all on their living Barbie Doll.

Cary Sedai
08-17-2009, 10:03 PM
ugh... just saw this didn't read anyone elses posts. I just had to say that is fucking sick. I mean, reallly, I can't even think of what to say that could possibly encompass my disgust.

Ozymandias
08-17-2009, 11:15 PM
ugh... just saw this didn't read anyone elses posts. I just had to say that is fucking sick. I mean, reallly, I can't even think of what to say that could possibly encompass my disgust.

Come on guys, your all being a little harsh. Its their money, they can spend it how they want! Listen, the father and the mother made a conscious decision that their daughter is the #1 priority in their life and its not on you to criticize that. Whatever-her-name-is will have her nice 15-18 years of pampering, and then she'll maybe have to adjust... but she'll have had those years and if she was happy, well, her parents did a right old good job!

JSUCamel
08-17-2009, 11:22 PM
Come on guys, your all being a little harsh. Its their money, they can spend it how they want! Listen, the father and the mother made a conscious decision that their daughter is the #1 priority in their life and its not on you to criticize that. Whatever-her-name-is will have her nice 15-18 years of pampering, and then she'll maybe have to adjust... but she'll have had those years and if she was happy, well, her parents did a right old good job!

I disagree that they can do what they want with their child. This is comparable to letting a child smoke or drink or watch adults have sex in front of them. This is the equivalent of child abuse -- she's being psychological abused and socially ostracized and will likely spend the rest of her life super fucked up because of this, her parents decision -- not hers.

She doesn't know any better.
Her parents have a responsibility to raise their daughter in a safe, responsible manner. They're clearly not.

ShadowbaneX
08-17-2009, 11:35 PM
I think there might be some hyperbole in there Camel. Yes, the kid (actually, all of them) is/are going to get a sharp dose of reality at some point, and it's probably going to be rather painful, but this isn't abuse, quite the opposite in fact. They are living on the edge of their means and living without a savings isn't the best of ideas in this era, but this won't kill the kid.

Also, she's not ostracized, quite the opposite in fact because I believe that the article states that she's the centre of attention for the clique, unless you're going for the 'it's lonely at the top' angle.

It's wrong, it's stupid, and unless this kid very lucky, it's going to create some very painful times ahead, but it's not a "why won't some think of the children?!" abuse.

JSUCamel
08-17-2009, 11:51 PM
I think there might be some hyperbole in there Camel. Yes, the kid (actually, all of them) is/are going to get a sharp dose of reality at some point, and it's probably going to be rather painful, but this isn't abuse, quite the opposite in fact. They are living on the edge of their means and living without a savings isn't the best of ideas in this era, but this won't kill the kid.

I think you underestimate how big of an impact this could have on this child's development and maturity (or lack thereof) into adulthood.

Sinistrum
08-18-2009, 12:32 AM
Veruca Salt anyone?

ShadowbaneX
08-18-2009, 12:08 PM
I think you underestimate how big of an impact this could have on this child's development and maturity (or lack thereof) into adulthood.
I'm not saying the kid won't be messed up, but that's 'abuse' along the lines of the Spanish Inquisition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A).

Ozymandias
08-18-2009, 12:30 PM
I think you underestimate how big of an impact this could have on this child's development and maturity (or lack thereof) into adulthood.

Or you could say she's already super-mature, and has merely entered a stage where commercialistic materialism is everything a few years early.

And to call her socially ostracisized (sic?) is ridiculous. She's clearly the leader of her clique; popular and happy. If this spares her the kind of deep, scarring teenage angst we all experience, wasn't it worth it?

ShadowbaneX
08-18-2009, 02:57 PM
'worth it'? Not likely. It's crap that everyone has to learn and deal with. Money and possessions won't solve real problems.

Ozymandias
08-18-2009, 09:18 PM
'worth it'? Not likely. It's crap that everyone has to learn and deal with. Money and possessions won't solve real problems.

I disagree. Money solves all problem. Or, in the words of the immortal bard, Kanye West, "money isn't everything, not having it is."

Frenzy
08-18-2009, 11:15 PM
I'm not saying the kid won't be messed up, but that's 'abuse' along the lines of the Spanish Inquisition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A).
Obvious gratuitous follow-up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A)

ShadowbaneX
08-18-2009, 11:15 PM
I disagree. Money solves all problem. Or, in the words of the immortal bard, Kanye West, "money isn't everything, not having it is."
'all problem' it might solve, but real problems are something else.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-19-2009, 09:19 AM
Yeah, cause there are sooo many really happy wealthy families.

Davian93
08-19-2009, 09:44 AM
Yeah, cause there are sooo many really happy wealthy families.

Money doesn't make one happy but its harder to be happy when you're broke. Money is the #1 stress for most people. Once that's crossed off, its on them.

Anaiya Sedai
08-19-2009, 10:58 AM
In this case, they are pretty much broke. They are certainly not swimming in money...

Ozymandias
08-19-2009, 10:58 AM
'all problem' it might solve, but real problems are something else.

I don't need proper grammar if I've made it like Daddy Warbucks.

Look at how miserable Annie was! And then, when she got her bills paid, she started bursting into spontaneous, joyous song!

ShadowbaneX
08-19-2009, 12:11 PM
yes, because Hollywood is the perfect example of how life should be.

Kurtz
08-19-2009, 08:13 PM
*inappropriate comment deleted*