Florida and Michigan Dispute...

[irerancincpkc]

Is over. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080601/pl_bloomberg/aycvap18ldf8)

That's almost like a final seal on Barack's victory. It's good they got those states settled as well. Three more contests, and then I predict Clinton will suspend her campaign, and endore Barack. :D

[Terez]

Yay. Is it November yet? :D

[irerancincpkc]

We don't want November to come yet; we need to unite the party under Obama against McBush first! :D Which shouldn't take too much... :D

[GonzoTheGreat]

Don't worry, the Democrats will find some way to snatch defeat out of the jaws of almost certain victory, yet.

[Zaela Sedai]

McCain is not another Bush

[GonzoTheGreat]

Are you suggesting that you would rate Bush as more competent?

[Yuri33]

McCain is in all probability more competent than Bush, but on most of the major issues--Iraq, economy+tax policy, immigration--they have the same platform.

[Ivhon]

Policy-wise, McCain is essentially more Bush. Maybe softer in demeanor, maybe not. But McCain is going to give us:

1. More Iraq
2. More tax cuts for the wealthy (with moderate tax cuts for the middle/lower income folks being eaten up by skyrocketing medical/insurance/gas prices that Republicans - including McCain - do their utmost to protect the wealthy from)
3. Party-line conservative justices further stacking the court - which is horrendously dangerous to the Constitution if either Liberals or Conservatives are stacked on the bench. You want 5-4.

McCain makes some noises about the environment. But thats just noise until a Republican actually does something for the environment (not a big party plank).

I suppose the big difference between Bush and McCain is on immigration. And that is a point in McCain's favor. But sadly that one issue is not enough to distance himself from the President or the Party when everything else is right down the party line.

[Sei'taer]

Harold Ickes, a Clinton adviser, said he ``strongly'' objects to the Michigan plan, saying it would cost her four delegates. He said Clinton reserved the right to appeal the decision to another committee, a warning that was met with both cheers and catcalls from the hundreds of activists at the meeting.

I haven't heard the fat lady in the pantsuit sing yet.

[JSUCamel]

I haven't heard the fat lady in the pantsuit sing yet.

*sits on the ESC couch and looks at jwb*

I was told by an old boss to to make jokes about redneck wives.

So I won't. Got any MD?

*watches the debate from the ESC couch*

[Sei'taer]

Look, I tie three loops in my shoestrings, just like everyone else does so being a redneck has nothing to do with anything. And the fat lady in the pantsuit hasn't said she quit yet.

[irerancincpkc]

McCain is not another Bush
Compare Bush's 2004 platform to McCain's 2008 platform, then tell me they aren't almost exactly the same.

Ickes is overzealous. I've read a lot of things from other Clinton supporters who are close to her that says she is coming to accept her loss.

[Sei'taer]

I've read a lot of things from other Clinton supporters who are close to her that says she is coming to accept her loss.

Eventually she will have to accept it. The question is, will she like it?

[Davian93]

She won't give up till the convention...she doesn't give a damn whether or not she can win...she wants to make sure Obama loses if she can't have the nomination.

[Terez]

You only wish. :p

[the silent speaker]

Ivhon, your post suggests that you would, if in position to decide policy, give us less Iraq. How would you propose going about this in an effective way?

For those who would, if in position to decide policy, give us more Iraq: same question.

[irerancincpkc]

Eventually she will have to accept it. The question is, will she like it?
Of course she won't like it. Even though I supported Obama from the beginning, I feel bad for Clinton, she thought she had it in the bag.

Davian, there is no way this goes to the convention.

[Davian93]

Davian, there is no way this goes to the convention.

Wanna bet? :)

The Obama camp floated the idea of offering her the Health/Human Services Cabinet post which is clearly an insult but meant to be viewed as Obama trying to make peace. Considering how low on the totem pole that Cabinet slot is compared to what she would expect, Obama will not compromise and give her a real post and she won't accept it anyway. She isn't the paragon you think she is...she doesn't care if McCain wins against Obama.

[Davian93]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Yeah...it really sounds like she's ready to concede. She also apparently has lost all touch with reality but what the hell...she's Hillary!!!

[Sei'taer]

Go back and read the posts about this on Yuku...I stand by the Hillary parts of it. She'll fight to the convention and maybe beyond.

[jason wolfbrother]

I think she'd almost rather McCain wins. then she can blame the American public for not nominating her in the first place because she "obviously" would have defeated McCain.

[Davian93]

I think she'd almost rather McCain wins. then she can blame the American public for not nominating her in the first place because she "obviously" would have defeated McCain.

Being delusional is fun, eh?

I HATE HILLARY CLINTON!!! Her voice is literally like nails on a blackboard to me.

[Crispin's Crispian]

I HATE HILLARY CLINTON!!!

You do? :eek:








Sorry. I've been waiting three months to say that.

[Terez]

No one's fault but yours. :p

[Crispin's Crispian]

No one's fault but yours. :p

So? Did I say it wasn't?

[Terez]

Nope. I just think it's funny. :p

[irerancincpkc]

Well, according to the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/02/clinton-summons-top-donor_n_104715.html), Clinton has summoned all her top donors and supporters for a major speech in New York tomorrow night. It looks like she will drop out and endorse Obama.

About time! :D

[Davian93]

Well, according to the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/02/clinton-summons-top-donor_n_104715.html), Clinton has summoned all her top donors and supporters for a major speech in New York tomorrow night. It looks like she will drop out and endorse Obama.

About time! :D


Yeah...I wouldn't hold my breath Spammer.

[Sei'taer]

Yeah...I wouldn't hold my breath Spammer.



No no...hold your breath Spammer!

pssst, Davian, if he passes out he'll quit talking about it.

[Frenzy]

no clue, speaker. no flippin' clue.

"McCain makes some noises about the environment. But thats just noise until a Republican actually does something for the environment (not a big party plank)"

i would like to point out that National Environmental Policy Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act were all passed under a Republican president (Nixon). And a Democratically-controlled Congress. Exceptions that prove the rule? ;)

[irerancincpkc]

No no...hold your breath Spammer!

pssst, Davian, if he passes out he'll quit talking about it.
:D

And I'm going to miss Hillary's concesseon (sp?) speech, and Barack's victory speech. Dang it... maybe they will put it on the jumbotron at the baseball game... :D

[GonzoTheGreat]

i would like to point out that National Environmental Policy Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act were all passed under a Republican president (Nixon). And a Democratically-controlled Congress. Exceptions that prove the rule?
Nah, just evidence that Nixon was evil according to anyone's standard.

[Ivhon]

no clue, speaker. no flippin' clue.

"McCain makes some noises about the environment. But thats just noise until a Republican actually does something for the environment (not a big party plank)"

i would like to point out that National Environmental Policy Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act were all passed under a Republican president (Nixon). And a Democratically-controlled Congress. Exceptions that prove the rule? ;)

Ancient history

[Davian93]

Hildabeast is gonna concede finally...

AP: Officials say Hillary Clinton will acknowledge tonight that Barack Obama has the delegates for the Democratic presidential nomination.

[Davian93]

Hildabeast is gonna concede finally...

AP: Officials say Hillary Clinton will acknowledge tonight that Barack Obama has the delegates for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Apparently the photos weren't as incriminating as originally thought:

]AP: Clinton to Remain in Race (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=4986297&page=1)

[irerancincpkc]

She's done, whether she admits it (which I think she will) or not.

Now, full steam ahead with the battle against McBush!

[Crispin's Crispian]

She's done. She admits it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/clinton)


Or someone else says she does, on condition of anonymity.

[GonzoTheGreat]

Well, she suggests that maybe some time in the future she might possibly be bribed into admitting it, if the price is right.

[Sei'taer]

She's done. She admits it. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/clinton)


Or someone else says she does, on condition of anonymity.


Funny that...she throws that out on the day Obama is supposed to stand up in glory as the nominee. Now all the punditry is talking about her and not about him. Nice move if you ask me.

[Bryan Blaire]

Well... I figure we can either have "McBush" or "Obama Bin Stalin".

Personally, I'd rather we had neither, but, I'd rather err on the side of the guy who didn't have an uncle in the Red Army to liberate Auschwitz and who didn't see dead people in the crowds on Memorial Day. I'd also rather we didn't have a President convinced that Al Queda (sp) is training in Iran. So likely, this year I'll be doing a write-in vote.

Make a note, if you are doing a write-in, at least make it for someone relatively serious and who is actually capable of fulfilling the office requirements, otherwise the vote won't count.

Edit: Oh, and Yay! I'm a Youngling again! I will reclaim my title as Oldest Youngling!

[Terez]

2118 delegates needed to win. Obama now has 2134. Win.

[Frenzy]

Funny that...she throws that out on the day Obama is supposed to stand up in glory as the nominee. Now all the punditry is talking about her and not about him. Nice move if you ask me.
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi probably wants to eat HRC's spleen for undermining the party so thoroughly.

a lot can change in 5 months, but ye gods are the Dems trying their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Terez]

Why? Because we had a close primary? Everyone makes it look like the party is at war with itself, but it's just an election...

[irerancincpkc]

All the nationwide polls have Obama and McCain about tied, and that is with Obama and Clinton attacking one another, now that Obama can concentrate on the general...

On another note, Obama's victory speech... I think I teared up a bit. :D

[Mort]

It felt like he really needed to make clear that there are no hard feelings between him and Clinton, at least from his side. He needs to keep all roads open. Even if neither Obama nor Clinton wants her to be VP, she is still a major player in the democratic party. Having her on his side when they are gonna do battle for Universal Health Care among many things will make everything so much easier.

[Sei'taer]

All the nationwide polls have Obama and McCain about tied, and that is with Obama and Clinton attacking one another, now that Obama can concentrate on the general...

On another note, Obama's victory speech... I think I teared up a bit. :D


Yeah, I always tear up when I puke...I think its a natural reaction. Sad that Jimmy Carter round 2 might happen while I'm alive. But, I doubt he wins, even with people like me and Bryan not voting for McCain.

[Bryan Blaire]

I tear up when people that are friends with at least one known domestic terrorist win a Presidential candidate nomination. I also tear up for our nation that people will ignore facts and actually vote for these people.

[Frenzy]

Why? Because we had a close primary? Everyone makes it look like the party is at war with itself, but it's just an election...
No, i actually liked the close primary. Every state counted, isn't that what matters?

No, what i was referring to was yesterday's press coverage should've been all "Obama clinches, Obama wins, Obama Obama Obama." But it was "Hillary loses, Hillary Concedes, How Hillary Lost, Hillary Hillary Hillary." Instead of focusing on the Democratic candidate, the media was focuses on the Democratic loser. THAT's what probably chaps the hides of the Party higher-ups.

Lucky for them the Republicans don't seem capable of capitalizing on it.

[Davian93]

No, i actually liked the close primary. Every state counted, isn't that what matters?

No, what i was referring to was yesterday's press coverage should've been all "Obama clinches, Obama wins, Obama Obama Obama." But it was "Hillary loses, Hillary Concedes, How Hillary Lost, Hillary Hillary Hillary." Instead of focusing on the Democratic candidate, the media was focuses on the Democratic loser. THAT's what probably chaps the hides of the Party higher-ups.

Lucky for them the Republicans don't seem capable of capitalizing on it.


The dumbest thing Obama could do is pick Hillary as his running mate...he (as an extreme liberal) needs somewhat a tad more conservative than him...not a female version of himself.

[Crispin's Crispian]

Obama bin Stalin? WTF? LOL


It cracks me up that either Hillary or Barack are labeled "extreme liberal," when they're both so far right on most issues that they could win a Republican primary. No "extreme" anything wins the nomination of either major party. And nothing is ever cut and dried. Remember the extremely liberal Clinton, the guy who pushed NAFTA and screwed how many thousands of good union workers out of jobs? Or how about extremely consevative Reagan, who spent more money than God?

This whole thing is what sours me on mainstream politics. Hardcore liberals and hardcore conservatives don't bother me nearly as much as politicians who don't know their morals and ethics from their assholes. Or maybe the two aren't that different--they both stink, and nothing but crap comes out of them.

[Terez]

Obama bin Stalin? WTF? LOL
I agree with the WTF, but the LOL seems out of place...

[Crispin's Crispian]

I agree with the WTF, but the LOL seems out of place...
I was laughing at the ridiculousness of it. Plus it was a clever play on words, conflating Obama with a terrorist and, well, a terrorist. It's so offensive it made me laugh.

[Terez]

Clever maybe, but not exactly original...

[Sei'taer]

This whole thing is what sours me on mainstream politics. Hardcore liberals and hardcore conservatives don't bother me nearly as much as politicians who don't know their morals and ethics from their assholes. Or maybe the two aren't that different--they both stink, and nothing but crap comes out of them.

Wow, Dog, we have made a political agreement. I hate when I hear some pundit say, "he's going to have to move to the right to get the nomination," Or "he'll have to center himself on this issue in order to get the conservative dem vote" Fuck all that, be who you are and if you are the right one for the job, you'll get it. I am so sick of reading between the lines on all of these bastards. I guarantee you, it wouldn't matter if he was a liberal or a conservative, if he had the name recognition and the stats to back it up and he was a good stick to your guns person, he (I guess I should say she) would get elected. The problem we have now is there is no one who is willing to do that.

I'm a conservative, except on one or two issues. I would have no problem voting for a conservative who was against me one those one or two issues as long as he was willing to stick to the other 500 or 1000 or 50,000 issues that we agree on. I feel like liberals would feel the same way.

[Crispin's Crispian]

I'm a conservative, except on one or two issues. I would have no problem voting for a conservative who was against me one those one or two issues as long as he was willing to stick to the other 500 or 1000 or 50,000 issues that we agree on. I feel like liberals would feel the same way.
That's my biggest problem--I'm not paintable with one brush on most issues (true to my inner Chameleon). I'm "liberal' on a lot, but conservative on a lot of others.

As a result, I have to compromise a ton of stuff every time I vote.

[irerancincpkc]

I tear up when people that are friends with at least one known domestic terrorist win a Presidential candidate nomination. I also tear up for our nation that people will ignore facts and actually vote for these people.
Yes, it makes me sad that people think you should be judged by your neighbors, and I also tear up when I see people who are scared of wonderful change, and therefore have to make an excuse.

[Davian93]

Yes, it makes me sad that people think you should be judged by your neighbors, and I also tear up when I see people who are scared of wonderful change, and therefore have to make an excuse.

Not to be a jerk about this...but what "Wonderful change" does Obama bring? I mean he talks a good game (when its already written and in a teleprompteer) but what glorious policy shifts is he really gonna make?

[Gilshalos Sedai]

Yes, it makes me sad that people think you should be judged by your neighbors, and I also tear up when I see people who are scared of wonderful change, and therefore have to make an excuse.

Wow, what a crock. So, Obama shouldn't be judged by the company he keeps but every other candidate should?

Allow me to reiterate Davian's question. What change?

[irerancincpkc]

If you want policy change, Davian, most of those are among party lines, and since they would sound great to me, they more than likely would not sound good to you.

But, when I say change, I mean a chance for a different type of politics, and a different type of America. I can hear everyone groaning now. :D But what makes me convinced that Obama will bring change, away from Bush policies towards the world and the USA's citizens, is he says he will, and I trust him, and I believe him. I don't think I've ever been able to say that about a politican before, but I can now. I've shaken his hand, and I trust him. I know this may mean jackcrap to you, but that's why I support him, why I believe he can make this country a better place.

You can say it's just because Obama is saying all the right things, or that I'm young and easy to fool, or after eight years of Bush Obama offers the exact opposite and that is appealing, but I know why I support him. Trust. Hope. Change. Call me stupid, I don't care. :D

[Davian93]

"Hope is a good thing...perhaps the best of things and no good thing ever truly dies. I will be hoping that this letter finds you and finds you well."-Andy Dufresne

Obama will compromise his morals away just like every other politician who goes to DC. Hopefully he ends up better than his JFK change comparison.

[Gilshalos Sedai]

Not calling you stupid. Calling you emotional. ;)

[Crispin's Crispian]

But, when I say change, I mean a chance for a different type of politics, and a different type of America. I can hear everyone groaning now. :D But what makes me convinced that Obama will bring change, away from Bush policies towards the world and the USA's citizens, is he says he will, and I trust him, and I believe him. You still didn't answer the question, though. What specific change is he going to bring, and what type of things can we "hope" for if he wins the election?

You shook his hand. Did he tell you what he will do about the trade deficit and job loss to overseas, or our dependence on foreign oil, or how to bring Iraq to a solution that will actually be progressive and still bring our men and women home, or how to have economically sound environmental protection?

I know I can do my own research, but the only thing I've heard in the media and from Obama supporters is that, "he will bring change to Washington," with no inkling of what that even means.

[Terez]

The same sort of stuff was bandied about when Bill was running, though I seem to remember Perot spouting a bit of it too. It's real obvious what that's all about - Obama is largely running off of the country's distaste for the 8 years of the Bush administration, just as Bill was running off of distaste for "12 years of Reagan". Obama's policies are largely easy to come by for those who are interested, but going on about talking points in speeches is risky, so it's avoided.

[Crispin's Crispian]

The same sort of stuff was bandied about when Bill was running, though I seem to remember Perot spouting a bit of it too. It's real obvious what that's all about - Obama is largely running off of the country's distaste for the 8 years of the Bush administration, just as Bill was running off of distaste for "12 years of Reagan". Obama's policies are largely easy to come by for those who are interested, but going on about talking points in speeches is risky, so it's avoided.
I guess I'm too cynical. I don't want to hear vague platitudes about change and hope and unification. I want to hear real live ideas of how to make things better, so I can judge for myself whether your way is the right way.

And don't worry--I'll be doing research before I vote; I always do.

[Gilshalos Sedai]

Just so y'all know: this is the terrorist Bryan's talking about. A Weatherman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers


He never spent time in prison due to illegal wiretapping, ironically enough.

[irerancincpkc]

Not calling you stupid. Calling you emotional. ;)
You won't find any disagreement there. :D

[Crispin's Crispian]

Just so y'all know: this is the terrorist Bryan's talking about. A Weatherman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers


He never spent time in prison due to illegal wiretapping, ironically enough.


Hey, I use Weather Undergound (http://www.wunderground.com/) all the time. You're telling me these guys are terrorists?! :eek:

My father is a Teamster, BTW, and has been since 1965. I have it on good authority that he might actually know and have worked with some people in the mafia.

Sorry, Dad, no Father's Day gift for you this year!

[Gilshalos Sedai]

Cute, Dog, Cute.


As president, he's supposed to defend the Consitution against enemies foreign and domestic and he counts this guy as a pal.


So, it's OK if I start calling Timothy McVeigh a swell guy?

[Crispin's Crispian]

Cute, Dog, Cute.


As president, he's supposed to defend the Consitution against enemies foreign and domestic and he counts this guy as a pal.


So, it's OK if I start calling Timothy McVeigh a swell guy?
The article you quoted said they have overlapping terms on the board for a community organization. That hardly counts as "pal." I checked out some of the other info, and it's pretty damn benign. Ayers hosted a meeting for supporters of his* senatorial predecessor, and Ayers donated some money to Obama's campaign.

And if you want to get really technical, Ayers was never convicted of anything, despite having turned himself in to the police. He's now a professor at UoChi, and apparently well respected.

I'm not defending the guy by any means. I just think "guilty by association" is a huge stretch in this case.


**ETA**
Obama's

[Gilshalos Sedai]

My problems with Obama are ideological. I don't actually give a rat's behind who he hangs out with. Bryan's a little more passionate about that.

After all, I hang out with Sinistrum and I don't like his politics.

But, I am questioning the wisdom in remotely associating with even an alleged domestic terrorist.

[Bryan Blaire]

Ayers has been a supporter of Obama and they have done several speeches throughout the years together. Obama sought out Ayers specifically for his support when Obama was beginning his political career in south Chicago.

Ayers has been quoted as saying, after September 11th, that as Weathermen, they didn't go far enough with the bombings. He doesn't have to be convicted if he admits to it.

Obama may bring change. The change will be not supporting "against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Obama is only guilty of associating himself for 20+ years with inflammatory radicals.

Sorry, his policies won't support me, and "social justice", especially forced "social justice" is a joke IMO. Obama's bumper-sticker campaign is also a joke. His campaign of "giving more to people that haven't really earned anything" is a joke as well.

If people would work hard, stop judging anything by the color of skin, and stop taking hand-outs from the government, our country would be even greater than it is.

If you dig some, you'll find that the Weathermen, which Ayers founded, engaged in a campaign, albeit bloodless, of domestic terrorism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_organization

Spammer, can you really elect someone President that doesn't even seem to know the difference between Memorial Day and Veteran's Day (or the other interpretation of his speech is that he sees dead people) or that his uncle couldn't have helped liberate Auschwitz, unless his uncle was part of the Red Army (which might explain some things, actually)?

Obama talks a good game, he really does. His speeches impress the hell out of me. They don't mean anything at all, but they impress me. They are great for making people feel vindicated, elated and uplifted, but they are meaningless. My guess is that they are meaningless so that you can paint onto him whatever change you want to see, and not the 10% tax increase on each tax bracket that his policies would entail (likely at the minimum), as well as keeping you from thinking about who's going to build your buildings, clean your floors or wire your houses when everyone is given a college education.

[Bryan Blaire]

Also, it's not like any of these political threads even matter here. Everyone airs their crap, it doesn't change anyone's mind, and we go on.

P.S. I still love you Spammer, even though I make you sad. :D In a totally platonic way, not in any of that froo-froo touchy feely way. Unless you are into that sort of thing, in which case, you're going to have to look elsewhere. ;) Maybe Davian. Unless you guys really are the same person. And then you can go try out 'Taer. :D

[Mort]

Political discussion don't go anywhere? Surely you jest!
:P

I think there is a small hope in everyone of actually converting someone to the "true faith", strange as it may sound. :)

[Bryan Blaire]

Well, considering I don't actually believe that there is ever a "true faith" on anything, as all points of view generally have some validity, if only to the person that holds the point of view, if nothing else, I guess I don't have any hope.

Maybe that's why I disagree with Obama: I'm an idealistic nihilist? :confused:

[Davian93]

Maybe Davian.

Hey!!

[Bryan Blaire]

What? You aren't in the man-whore business any more? :D

[Mort]

Well, considering I don't actually believe that there is ever a "true faith" on anything, as all points of view generally have some validity, if only to the person that holds the point of view, if nothing else, I guess I don't have any hope.

Maybe that's why I disagree with Obama: I'm an idealistic nihilist? :confused:
Saying you are an idealistic nihilist makes it sound paradoxical :)

I'd call you a relativist, at least when it comes to this. But that one has it's trickyness too.

[Sei'taer]

Maybe Davian. Unless you guys really are the same person. And then you can go try out 'Taer. :D

Don't try me...I don't even know what platonic means...

What would do if I told you I could be Davian...and maybe even responsible for inventing a young Obamaite called Spammer?

[Terez]

What would do if I told you I could be Davian...and maybe even responsible for inventing a young Obamaite called Spammer?
I don't think you'd do it, because you'd throw up in your mouth too often. :p

Besides, writings styles totally different...Dav and Spammer are like pease in a pod, and I think Dav is fully capable of an Obamaite impersonation, because I've seen him flip-flop a lot and he pulls it off nicely. ;)

[Terez]

Looks like Spammer will be able to breathe again on Saturday (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/politics/05dems.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin). She's finally giving up...

[Davian93]

What? You aren't in the man-whore business any more? :D

I thought you knew I had retired...

[Davian93]

I don't think you'd do it, because you'd throw up in your mouth too often. :p

Besides, writings styles totally different...Dav and Spammer are like pease in a pod, and I think Dav is fully capable of an Obamaite impersonation, because I've seen him flip-flop a lot and he pulls it off nicely. ;)


I don't flipflop...I do like to play devil's advocate alot though...;)

[Sei'taer]

I don't think you'd do it, because you'd throw up in your mouth too often. :p

Besides, writings styles totally different...Dav and Spammer are like pease in a pod, and I think Dav is fully capable of an Obamaite impersonation, because I've seen him flip-flop a lot and he pulls it off nicely. ;)


I've done it a lot more times than you'll ever know...and even had you complaining about it...:cool:

Maybe I need to revive a few people.

[Ivhon]

I've done it a lot more times than you'll ever know...and even had you complaining about it...:cool:

Maybe I need to revive a few people.

harr

[irerancincpkc]

I love you too Bryan, in a very manly way, of course. :D

Davian, I'm sorry; my girlfriend would be jealous... :D

Terez, it's not like I don't like Clinton... if it was anyone else going up against her, I'm a Clintonite.

[Sei'taer]

harr


:D who knows me better than my old pal, huh???

[Davian93]

Just for you Spammer :) : http://www.hillaryis44.org/
An entire group of people that have completely lost it...assuming they ever had touch with reality. Some of the stuff they write is absolutely absurd...but darn funny.