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1Powerslave
11-04-2009, 06:30 PM
The first part of this theory is located here:
http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2234

This is just a bit of expansion on that theory, taking into account Padan Fain and a few other points.
(Also it is a response to a post in this thread:
http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2511)



On a general level I agree that the idea of Nynaeve discovering a way to "heal" the Pattern seems generally the right sort of thing. However:
- I don't think it will be the same weave as is used to heal humans. Though she might well be able to extrapolate from what heals humans and heals severing
- It doesn't account for "belief and order give strength"
- It doesn't account well for Ta'veren
- It doesn't account for Padan Fain

Yeah, the exact same Healing weave that she always uses might not be it. Different ailments should require (somewhat) different remedies; is a thing that some Yellows were discussing (or was it Nynaeve) at some point in the Salidar camp, iirc. Why is Healing always the same weave, etc.

"Belief and order give strength", I think, means that the more order (as opposite to the general chaos sown by the Shadow plans and actions) and belief (in the cause against the Shadow, in the Dragon Reborn) the stronger the Pattern is. Thus not "busying" the ta'veren, and their effect of correctiveness on the Pattern can be concentrated on the thinness of the Pattern that lies at Shayol Ghul. Similarly "order", refers to all threads/people in the Pattern aligning to as single purpose/weaving/PATTERN. I.e. order is an actual pattern, chaos is unravelling of a pattern.
So yeah, my theory didn't touch on this part of Fel's note. This is how I interpret it in favor of my theory though. This could definately be one (if perhaps not the only) "power source" for the energy required for a healing.

Padan Fain

I don't think Fain is a match to the full blown force of an entity such as the Dark One. But as stated his evil is the anti-evil of the Dark One (I think this is a safe assumtion derived from the Cleansing, where the Taint of both evils destroyed one another). And the Dark One is only touching the world; he is not completely or even much at all, free, even when the Seals are removed, I think. But maybe Fain is a match to the influence the Dark One has on the Pattern when the Seals are removed.

I think that Fain's role might be to delay the Dark One, to keep him busy, while the Healing of the Bore occurs.
The Dark One is very angry with the fact that he cannot step outside of time. The Healing would need time to be performed. If the Dark One would miss a window of opportunity to counterstrike or influence events, then he'd be just as trapped by time as if Balefire had been used on someone. He cannot step outside of time. And he cannot undo an event that has already occured.

So in context of my Healing the Bore theory, that might be where Fain comes in. I even toyed with the idea that Rand would be able to turn Fain back towards the Light after a fashion. So he can have his revenge on the Shadow. Ishamael it was (wasn't it?) that did something to him, perhaps Lews Therin can undo that. There is a saying that "no one is so far gone to the Shadow that they cannot come back to the Light". I don't think this saying has any examples in the book, where this actually happened. Maybe Fain can be the one. :)

Something Fel said:
Fel pointed out an inherent contradiction, namely that the prison needs to be completely intact when the Wheel of Time turns and the Age of Legends comes again, so the Aes Sedai of that time can create the Bore once again. He also mentions that the Dark One needs to have been forgotten by this time as well.

This suggests that a simple weave of the power will not do to seal away the Dark One. A Healing fits nicely with this. But... it wont be a final win for the Light of course. Then again, Rand has just realized that they still get to live again and love again so long as this cycle continues. Ideas that the Light will win a final win goes against this idea of Healing the Bore, if one also think this is what Fel says needs to occur.

Ok, that's it for now.

fdsaf3
11-04-2009, 09:07 PM
Hey everyone, first post here!

I want to expand on your idea with a few other ideas. I really like the idea of "Healing" the pattern since we've seen how much the world needs to be Healed - it seems to fit with the difference in the current Age versus the Age of Legends. The current Age might be summarized as squabbling children; the references to this supposed immaturity abound, especially among the Forsaken. The world seems to be splintered, and in desperate need for unification.

The age of Legends, on the other hand, seemed to have been united. Aes Sedai were united, nations seemed to be united, races seemed to get along, etc. Maybe because they were united they could afford to push and probe - that's how the Dark One was found, it was "drilled" into by Lanfear.

Anyway, I'm way off topic. Sorry about that.

Another thing we've seen is the necessity for unification not only on a macro scale, but on a micro one as well. Rand needed Nynavene to cleanse the Taint, Nynavene (a woman) was needed to fully Heal Logain's access to the Power, etc. There is an obvious yin-yang balance between men and women that Robert Jordan has been hammering into our heads from the first time we heard about the 100 Companions - all male. Maybe that act was what split the world into being female-centric (at least in terms of the Power), and maybe the Dragon needs to unify men and women in order to win the Last Battle.

Maybe the Pattern will be "healed" when men and women unite again.

One last note: Sorry for any typos I made. I promise I'm a good poster, I'm just coming off a 12 hour work day and my brain is fried. It's not easy spelling those names from memory!

JSUCamel
11-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Hey everyone, first post here!


Awesome! We love new people. Great stuff for a first post! Introduce yourself on the New User forums so we can get to know you a bit better :)

There is a saying that "no one is so far gone to the Shadow that they cannot come back to the Light". I don't think this saying has any examples in the book, where this actually happened. Maybe Fain can be the one.

There are a few examples that I can think of, Ingtar being the most obvious and first to come to mind. But otherwise.. good stuff.