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GonzoTheGreat
06-11-2008, 12:26 PM
If I have read all new posts in a forum, and then I go back to the main level, the forum indicator should be "no new posts". But that does not happen, it still shows as though there are new things to read. Only when I go back into that forum and leave it again, does it get updated so that it shows I have read everything.

I have a guess what causes this, though it is possible that guess is plain wrong. It may be that the update of the status in the database only happens after you have left, instead of before. I'm not sure it is possible to change this, of course, but you could look into it.

Terez
06-11-2008, 01:36 PM
I have the same problem, but only sometimes, and I especially have had problems with the Egwene poll not wanting to admit that I've read it. I know that you have to go from the thread to the forum page before it will mark the thread read - if you go directly from the thread to the main page, then it won't be marked read until you view the forum page. But with the Egwene thread, I can view every page of it and the poll results too, and it will still view as new on the forum page until I go back into it and then back to the forum page again.

Weird Harold
06-11-2008, 11:25 PM
I have the same problem, but only sometimes, and I especially have had problems with the Egwene poll not wanting to admit that I've read it. I know that you have to go from the thread to the forum page before it will mark the thread read - if you go directly from the thread to the main page, then it won't be marked read until you view the forum page. But with the Egwene thread, I can view every page of it and the poll results too, and it will still view as new on the forum page until I go back into it and then back to the forum page again.
I only have that problem when working from a search results list. that and it shows any new posts by me as unread posts.

The problem is inherent in this version of vBulletin and has been fixed in newer releases (along with a few NEW bugs to irritate people. :D)

Terez
06-12-2008, 12:26 AM
Important question, then: is an update a major overhaul, or a simple thing to implement?

Weird Harold
06-12-2008, 11:28 AM
Important question, then: is an update a major overhaul, or a simple thing to implement?

I don't know. I've never done a vBulletin installation or update myself -- they're supposed to be plug&play for the most part, but the upgrade from this version to the latest version at my-other-home-on-the-web generated some confusion among the users because there are some fundamental differences in the way the latest version manages newpost searches and other things -- i.e. old bookmarks and old links/shortcuts no longer worked because the syntax changed.

It would cause a lot of problems for the database forum if the database were up and running, but it wouldn't necessarily be a big deal for Tam & co otherwise.

GonzoTheGreat
06-12-2008, 12:14 PM
Well, since we're graced with an ample lack of running database, I don't think there is much of a risk.

Of course, if something does go wrong, it's Tam's fault.

Terez
06-12-2008, 12:56 PM
Right, it's better to do an update now while no one's really used to the way this version works.

Weird Harold
06-12-2008, 01:02 PM
Right, it's better to do an update now while no one's really used to the way this version works.
Especially since the newest release features "Multi-quote" capability. It makes replying to several posts at once much easier.

Terez
06-12-2008, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I've seen that at another board, but apparently it doesn't work with the default skin.

Weird Harold
06-12-2008, 01:18 PM
Yeah, I've seen that at another board, but apparently it doesn't work with the default skin.
Yeah, it does -- at least with the "vBUlletin 3 Default" Skin configured at my-other-home-on-the-web it does.

It's a bit quirky if you tag some posts for possible replies as youread through a thread and then decide the points youwanted to make have already been made by others -- Then it saves those tagged posts and tries to add them to the next reply you do make.

It's still very useful even with the quirks because the way it tags quotes in the posts included a link back to the original post they came from. (The "quote=[name]" function is expanded to "quote=[name];[post#]"

Terez
06-12-2008, 01:35 PM
Yeah, I usually type my quote tags, so I probably won't use multi-quote much, but the link in the name can be useful when you're talking about something that was said a couple of pages ago.

Birgitte
06-17-2008, 01:18 PM
For some reason, after I've been on TL for awhile, all the threads will automatically mark themselves read, with no regard to whether they have actually been read or not.

Terez
06-17-2008, 01:35 PM
Yeah, it does that if you leave one of your forum pages open for a long time.

Ishara
06-17-2008, 01:37 PM
I've had the same problem, which after a long absence, sucks!

Weird Harold
06-17-2008, 05:08 PM
For some reason, after I've been on TL for awhile, all the threads will automatically mark themselves read, with no regard to whether they have actually been read or not.
If you spend more than 15(?) minutes reading a thread or composing a post, vBulletin automatically logs you out and resets your last visit time. When it resets the last vist, that also sets the "last read" pointer, which is actually a "New Since Your Last Visit" pointer.

vBulletin only tracks read/not read within the "new since last visit" posts.

Ishara
06-17-2008, 08:02 PM
So, does that mean that if I'm continuously active on the site for an indefinite period of time then I won't get timed out?

But if I spend more then 15 minutes inactive on the site, I do get timed out?

Weird Harold
06-17-2008, 08:42 PM
So, does that mean that if I'm continuously active on the site for an indefinite period of time then I won't get timed out?

But if I spend more then 15 minutes inactive on the site, I do get timed out?
Yep, as long as vBUlletin has to send you a new page or refresh an old page, it knows you're still around and it will wait for fifteen minutes -- or whatever time Tam has set for timeouts, because it is configurable.

The only exception is the "Mark Forums Read" link on the Quicklinks menu -- that forces vBUlletin to reset you last vist time so everything is considered "read" or "ignored" -- unlike exzboard though, vBUlletin uses the time of the request rather than the time the link was formatted (the last time the page was refreshed) as the new "last visit" time.

Of course, this presumes you checked "remember me" when you logged in so that vBulletin relogs you in if you do time out. If you don't check "Remember Me" you have to re-enter your username and password to post the magnum opus you've been working on for a half-hour or so.

Terez
06-17-2008, 09:01 PM
All of the other forums I go to do this. It's annoying, but I've gotten used to it, and since I don't post from work, it's rarely a problem for me. I imagine it would be if I was working though.

Weird Harold
06-17-2008, 09:45 PM
All of the other forums I go to do this. It's annoying, but I've gotten used to it, and since I don't post from work, it's rarely a problem for me. I imagine it would be if I was working though.
I just open any threads I'm that interest me in individual new windows and then let the last visit pointer time out as I red through them if it needs to.

ezBoard's last read pointers were really the only thing I liked about that system.

Terez
06-17-2008, 09:49 PM
Yes, it was also nice to be able to mark individual forums read, though phpBB boards offer that option as well (two forums I visit fairly regularly are phpBB). But both vBulletin and phpBB do the time-out thing. Yuku did as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Weird Harold
06-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Yes, it was also nice to be able to mark individual forums read, though phpBB boards offer that option as well (two forums I visit fairly regularly are phpBB). But both vBulletin and phpBB do the time-out thing. Yuku did as well, if I'm not mistaken.
UBB based forums do the same thing. So does ezBoard really, but it just requires the user to manually set an "all read" date/time stamp and stores it separately from the "Last Visit" date/time.

caladanbrood
06-18-2008, 07:40 AM
The only way to get rid of the "new posts" sign is to go via the particular sub-forum page after reading all the posts in it, and then back to the main page. If you skip out the sub-forum page, it won't register that the indicator should dissapear.

And yes, it's very annoying, but that's vB for you ;)

Anaiya Sedai
07-17-2008, 08:48 AM
my topics keep reading themselves..unless someone hacked my account..

jason wolfbrother
07-17-2008, 10:38 AM
how long are you going between reading times? because if you stay logged in but don't refresh the page within 15 minutes i think, the page gets marked as read even though you haven't read it yet

Sarevok
07-17-2008, 11:26 AM
because if you stay logged in but don't refresh the page within 15 minutes i think, the page gets marked as read even though you haven't read it yet
that's ****ed up...

GonzoTheGreat
07-17-2008, 12:05 PM
Yeah, or ****ed down. Direction isn't always easy to determine with board software.

jason wolfbrother
07-17-2008, 12:55 PM
Yeah, or ****ed down. Direction isn't always easy to determine with board software.


either way you are ****ed;) :cool:

Anaiya Sedai
07-17-2008, 02:56 PM
not that long.. and I didn't stay on one site either.. weird. never done it before, but one second I had about 10 new threads showing, next second they were all gone. *shrugs*

Freya Sedai
07-18-2008, 09:20 AM
I can log in as either Freya or Freyja...very confusing!

Sarevok
07-18-2008, 09:50 AM
maybe at some point you forgot your login name and/or password, and created a new account?

Terez
07-18-2008, 09:53 AM
You appear to be Freyja on theoryland.com and Freya on vBulletin...

Nazbaque
07-20-2008, 04:26 AM
Weeeeee my Aes Sedai is back!!

hmmmmm... do I need to start behaving now?

GonzoTheGreat
07-20-2008, 05:21 AM
You always behave, don't you?

Caveat: I've avoided specifying how Naz behaves. I hope most people who read my question know me well enough to have figured out that detail without this warning by now.

Terez
07-20-2008, 08:56 AM
You always behave, don't you?

Caveat: I've avoided specifying how Naz behaves. I hope most people who read my question know me well enough to have figured out that detail without this warning by now.
Despite hopes, you're continually surprised, aren't you? :)

GonzoTheGreat
07-20-2008, 10:07 AM
Well, I am learning that not everyone is as paranoid as they should be.

Terez
07-20-2008, 11:12 AM
I would fall into that category, I guess. Paranoia is pretty useless. :D

Nazbaque
07-21-2008, 07:20 AM
You always behave, don't you?

Caveat: I've avoided specifying how Naz behaves. I hope most people who read my question know me well enough to have figured out that detail without this warning by now.
Hohoo I have weirdo status.:p :p :p :p