halo6819
03-12-2010, 03:34 PM
i must say im slightly afraid this may go into felix territory, weaving a large conspiracy theory out of nothing, but i have been thinking about some possible plans Messana might have for ToM.
Theory:
Messana wants to have 13 dream terangreal so she can have a group of black sisters bring people to TAR and bind them to the shadow with 13 mydrall.
proofs:
one thing that has bothered me for a long time was how many terangreal leandrin and co took with them from the tower. for along time i assumed it was 13, one for each of them. but while listening to the series again, i realized that the number is closer to twice that. but we know for a fact that 13 of the terangreal they took where to enter TAR:
When it was so real she was sure she could reach out and touch it, she opened her eyes, and she was there, in the Heart of the Stone. Or the Heart of the Stone as it existed in Tel'aran'rhiod.
The columns were there, and Callandor. And around the sparkling sword, almost as dim and insubstantial as shadows, thirteen women sat cross-legged, staring at Callandor as it revolved. Honey-haired Liandrin turned her head, looking straight at Egwene with those big, dark eyes, and her rosebud mouth smiled.
Gasping, Egwene sat up in bed so fast she almost fell off the side.
so all thirteen can enter TAR, this strongly points to them having thirteen terangreal to do so, unless the ones the wonder girls have can alow more then one person to enter if multiple people channel at it, but we have never seen this on screen so it makes it unlikely.
When Moghedian is fighting with nyneave in TAR she mentions that somethings are stronger when done in TAR.
The other woman laughed. "A delightful tale. I can almost see what fascinates Semirhage about breaking the spirit. Oh, you are going to provide me with a great deal of entertainment, Nynaeve al'Meara. But first, you are going to bring the girl Elayne to me. You will shield her and bind her and bring her to lie at my feet. Do you know why? Because some things are actually stronger in Tel'aran'rhiod than in the waking world. That is why you will be a glossy white mare whenever I bring you here. And it is not only hurts taken here that last into waking. Compulsion is another. I want you to think of it for a moment or two, before you begin believing it your own idea. I suspect that the girl is your friend. But you are going to bring her to me like a pet —" Moghedien screamed as a silver arrow suddenly stuck its head out from below her right breast.
obviously she is referring to compulsion in this passage, but perhaps it could refer to shadow binding as well.
This would explain why Messana wanted the dream terangreal in the rebel camp, since leandrin and co had taken the thirteen out of the tower. I dont know if we have an exact count as to how many were in the rebel camp, but thirteen + is not out of the question, seeing as Elayne made one just as an excuse to talk with sheriam.
"I think this one will work better, Sheriam," Elayne said, handing over a twisted blue-and-red flecked ring of what had been stone this morning. In truth, it was no different from any other she had made. They stood apart from the crowd, at the mouth of a narrow alley lit by the red sun. Behind them fiddles squealed and flutes sang.
its not a very neat theory, but just something i was thinking about while listening to the series again.
please proceed to rip me to shreds:D
Theory:
Messana wants to have 13 dream terangreal so she can have a group of black sisters bring people to TAR and bind them to the shadow with 13 mydrall.
proofs:
one thing that has bothered me for a long time was how many terangreal leandrin and co took with them from the tower. for along time i assumed it was 13, one for each of them. but while listening to the series again, i realized that the number is closer to twice that. but we know for a fact that 13 of the terangreal they took where to enter TAR:
When it was so real she was sure she could reach out and touch it, she opened her eyes, and she was there, in the Heart of the Stone. Or the Heart of the Stone as it existed in Tel'aran'rhiod.
The columns were there, and Callandor. And around the sparkling sword, almost as dim and insubstantial as shadows, thirteen women sat cross-legged, staring at Callandor as it revolved. Honey-haired Liandrin turned her head, looking straight at Egwene with those big, dark eyes, and her rosebud mouth smiled.
Gasping, Egwene sat up in bed so fast she almost fell off the side.
so all thirteen can enter TAR, this strongly points to them having thirteen terangreal to do so, unless the ones the wonder girls have can alow more then one person to enter if multiple people channel at it, but we have never seen this on screen so it makes it unlikely.
When Moghedian is fighting with nyneave in TAR she mentions that somethings are stronger when done in TAR.
The other woman laughed. "A delightful tale. I can almost see what fascinates Semirhage about breaking the spirit. Oh, you are going to provide me with a great deal of entertainment, Nynaeve al'Meara. But first, you are going to bring the girl Elayne to me. You will shield her and bind her and bring her to lie at my feet. Do you know why? Because some things are actually stronger in Tel'aran'rhiod than in the waking world. That is why you will be a glossy white mare whenever I bring you here. And it is not only hurts taken here that last into waking. Compulsion is another. I want you to think of it for a moment or two, before you begin believing it your own idea. I suspect that the girl is your friend. But you are going to bring her to me like a pet —" Moghedien screamed as a silver arrow suddenly stuck its head out from below her right breast.
obviously she is referring to compulsion in this passage, but perhaps it could refer to shadow binding as well.
This would explain why Messana wanted the dream terangreal in the rebel camp, since leandrin and co had taken the thirteen out of the tower. I dont know if we have an exact count as to how many were in the rebel camp, but thirteen + is not out of the question, seeing as Elayne made one just as an excuse to talk with sheriam.
"I think this one will work better, Sheriam," Elayne said, handing over a twisted blue-and-red flecked ring of what had been stone this morning. In truth, it was no different from any other she had made. They stood apart from the crowd, at the mouth of a narrow alley lit by the red sun. Behind them fiddles squealed and flutes sang.
its not a very neat theory, but just something i was thinking about while listening to the series again.
please proceed to rip me to shreds:D