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JSUCamel
06-13-2008, 02:07 PM
Seriously, if you like intelligent essays, subscribe to this guy's blog:
http://www.lemodesittjr.com/blogs/blog/2008/06/understanding-readers.html

Understanding Readers?

As do at least some writers, I do have the very bad habit of reading reviews, even reader reviews. For years, other writers and editors have cautioned me against doing this very often, and yet... I still do. The good side of this is that I do understand what those readers want. That, unfortunately, is also the bad side.


I recently read a reader review of Adiamante, which has generally gotten overwhelmingly favorable reviews from both readers and critics, in which the reader, after saying that he had thoroughly enjoyed some 15 of my books, thoroughly lambasted me for writing what he suggested was a left-wing diatribe. He went on to write that, after reading this one book, he was sorry he'd bought the first fifteen.


While I wish I could say that I was surprised... I wasn't. Saddened a bit, resigned, but scarcely surprised. Just as people vary in their tastes in food, music, in types of entertainment, readers also vary in what they enjoy. That shouldn't surprise any writer.


What saddens me as a writer is not that a reader takes issue with what I write or how I write it. Since I do not write sexual scenes [with one exception more than twenty years ago] and I do not write graphic violence, most reader disagreements come from philosophical viewpoint differences. Even so, it's still disturbing when I explore a different point of view or a fact or an issue that conflicts with that reader's prejudices so violently that the reader must reject everything I have written or will write -- even those books with which the reader would agree. This is the all-too-common human mindset of "If you are not 100% in agreement with me, then you are the devil's spawn [or some other suitable epithet]."


To my way of thinking, reading provides an arena where readers can explore new or different ideas, where they can see how they might work out, or might not, and where they can look at what an author presents and either decide that the scenario, assumptions, and results are plausible -- or that they're not. It's certainly a great deal less costly, both in terms of resources and in terms of human misery, to explore such possibilities on the printed page. Unfortunately, there are still those people whose minds are so closed that any exploration is regarded as an assault upon their dearly held prejudices... and I use the term prejudices here advisedly, because those who cannot even read or listen to another viewpoint [assuming it's well-written, of course] in order to evaluate its strengths and weaknesses before accepting or rejecting it, are not thinking beings, but merely creatures of thoughtless bias.


Yet... as the percentage of adults who read for pleasure has decreased, so has the polarization of political and social viewpoints increased, to the point where tens of millions of Americans are unwilling to listen to contrary views, unwilling to accept social and political compromise, and unwilling to hammer out solutions that work for all Americans... and not just for them.


Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, but I also don't think that decreased reading has caused increased social and political polarization. Rather, my own suspicion is that a society that demands instant everything effectively stifles debate and discussion, not to mention thoughtful consideration... because thought... and reading... do, in fact, take time and reflection. Add to that the fact that our media and our politics are structured along the same lines... and even some evangelical religions are to some degree, where instantly "accepting Jesus" seems to count more than a lifetime of measured goodness, and it's not difficult to see the various contributing factors to "values absolutism."


And that's how we writers get readers who like 93.75% of our work, but who will never read another book of ours because of something we put down in one single volume.

Terez
06-13-2008, 02:25 PM
I didn't read Crichton's right-wing diatribe, but knowing that he wrote it didn't diminish my love for Jurassic Park.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-13-2008, 02:38 PM
Bryan and I were discussing this, or something similar the other day. When did compromise become a bad thing?

Davian93
06-13-2008, 02:41 PM
Bryan and I were discussing this, or something similar the other day. When did compromise become a bad thing?

About 8 years ago...:p


Am I the only one who is sick of every author having a blog? I really don't care to hear the opinions of the writer...I'd rather just read their work and not think about whether or not the guy writing it is left wing or pro life or anti-war, loves the Giants and Jets/NFL, etc etc.

Terez
06-13-2008, 02:42 PM
Oh god, Dav...just don't read it!

Gilshalos Sedai
06-13-2008, 02:48 PM
Hey, Dav... writing begets writing. When one is stuck, or whatever, a blog does help. So does a diary, writing about other ideas, etc.

Many publishers actively encourage writers to maintain a blog to keep up their 'profile.'

Davian93
06-13-2008, 03:01 PM
Oh god, Dav...just don't read it!

LOL...I can't help it...I want news of upcoming books they might be putting out (GRRM anytime this decade would be nice).

Isabel
06-14-2008, 02:07 AM
GRRM anytime this decade would be nice

When RJ was alive, I believed that aMoL would be out earlier than a dance of dragons. I think that says enough :p
Now it will be a close one. If grrm doesn't hit his end of June deadline, than it might be very close.

JSUCamel
06-14-2008, 10:38 AM
Am I the only one who is sick of every author having a blog? I really don't care to hear the opinions of the writer...I'd rather just read their work and not think about whether or not the guy writing it is left wing or pro life or anti-war, loves the Giants and Jets/NFL, etc etc.

Am I the only one who's tired of security guards posting on a message board? I really don't care to hear the opinions of a security guard. I'd rather just pretend he's actually doing his job and not think about whether the guy keeping a business safe is left wing or pro life or anti-author blog or anti-home school, etc etc.

Davian93
06-14-2008, 12:38 PM
Am I the only one who's tired of security guards posting on a message board? I really don't care to hear the opinions of a security guard. I'd rather just pretend he's actually doing his job and not think about whether the guy keeping a business safe is left wing or pro life or anti-author blog or anti-home school, etc etc.

~scratches head~


Who's the security guard?

I'm a security manager for a Healthcare software companies corporate site...just a tad different. ;)

Shouldn't you be teaching right now?

JSUCamel
06-14-2008, 01:09 PM
Just making a point.
Modesitt is a very prolific writer who puts out at least one book every year. His writing blogs doesn't get in the way of writing books. Most authors' don't. Don't take your anger at GRRM out on every other writer out there.

Just because Modesitt is a writer doesn't mean you should get pissed off when he writes about something other than his next book. He's a very intelligent man who has many areas of expertise in many other subjects besides writing. His insights into economics helps me view the world in different terms which, in turn, make me a better educated, more intelligent person.

To get upset because an author has a blog and writes about something other than his writing is just short-sighted and idiotic, imho. You don't get mad when Gil posts on here. Maybe she should just write about when her story's going to be finished and how many words she has written so far.

There's a reason there are so many stupid people out there. It's because they're afraid to listen to someone else who says something intelligently and they get upset when anyone says something other than what they wanted to hear.

Grow the hell up.

jason wolfbrother
06-14-2008, 05:39 PM
I've read almost all of the books written by Modesitt Jr. and I have to say he is one of my favorite authors. I don't always agree with his books but I always enjoy them and will continue to read them. maybe it's just cuz I'm a philosophy major so I actually understand what he is writing and saying that makes it so worthwhile to read. I'm certainly not going to stop because he writes something that I disagree with ;)

Davian93
06-15-2008, 09:10 AM
Camel, I like you as a person so I'll make this short and avoid personal insults: Don't tell me what to post or what to think and dont ever tell me to "Grow up". I'll post whatever I want to post and if you have a problem with my views or opinions feel free not to read them. Kay?

Terez
06-15-2008, 09:26 AM
Grow up, Dav. :p

Tamyrlin
06-15-2008, 09:27 AM
Grow up Camel and Dav...and Frenzy, you too!

...oh, and you too Terez!

Terez
06-15-2008, 09:28 AM
Isn't Theoryland just another word for Neverland?

Davian93
06-15-2008, 07:29 PM
Grow up, Dav. :p

What...he started it. I avoided making a flame war or bashing him personally. I really like Camel and I've never had issues with him before, which is why I didnt say anything below the belt.

tworiverswoman
06-15-2008, 08:40 PM
While I think Camel went a little overboard, I can understand his irritation, Dav. You sounded a lot like Cholly (remember Cholly?)

No, you're not the only person who dislikes author's blogs. I can think of a couple of others. I like you, mostly, and don't like them, mostly, so there must be SOMETHING you do right...

I love author blogs. I wish like hell that Robert Heinlein had had one -- I would have hung on his every word. The first author I ever found who "blogged" was Piers Anthony. He didn't have a weblog -- he had a section at the very end of his Xanth novels in which he just ... talked. Talked about his life, his writing, his fans and critics. I enjoyed reading it (except for the two or three pages giving credit for the puns...).

It's irritating for me (and perhaps for Camel) when a reader scowls at the idea of an author blogging -- at least in part because it seems to deny said author his/her right to be a human being with real opinions that may or may not be the same as espoused in whatever books they write. It's like you're saying "Writers should produce entertainment for me to enjoy but otherwise shut the fuck up!"

You aren't required to read the blog. I wish you would just STOP bothering, so you wouldn't have anything to complain about. If you want to know if they said anything pertinent to the next novel -- you can always ask one of the other members of TL. Create a thread called "Did he say anything I want to hear?" and leave it at that.




I refuse to grow up. Nyah!

Isabel
06-16-2008, 12:15 AM
What also might be it Dav:

I haven't been posting for a lot the last year, but I did notice every week a few threads about Clinton.
I didn't even open them, but it annoyed me.

Just my 2cents.

Uno
06-16-2008, 12:31 AM
Nah, Davian just likes to complain. I'm very similar: almost everything annoys me. I'm guessing he was in the infantry. The infantry always complains. Completely natural. As you were, people.

Terez
06-16-2008, 12:46 AM
If you haven't read Erikson, Uno...you should.


PS - I wanted to put a smiley there, but I'm trying to count my sentences. :p

Davian93
06-16-2008, 08:05 AM
While I think Camel went a little overboard, I can understand his irritation, Dav. You sounded a lot like Cholly (remember Cholly?)

Ouch...my bad. I'll stop. My apologies if my whining/complaining was that annoying to all of you. I'll try to restrain myself in the future.:(

Davian93
06-16-2008, 08:07 AM
If you haven't read Erikson, Uno...you should.

Erikson is really good. I have tried to read Gardens of the Moon (?) 3 times now and just when I'm really getting into it (around pg 100) I get drawn off by something or other and have to restart from the beginning so I don't forget everything. His writing is really good though. I'm at a lull between books right now so I think I'll start him again and really finish it this time.

Terez
06-16-2008, 08:07 AM
We forgive you Dav...just remember that writers are people too. :p

Davian93
06-16-2008, 08:10 AM
We forgive you Dav...just remember that writers are people too. :p

I didn't mean it quite that way...its my irritation at GRRM more than anything (which Camel nailed in his one comment). I didn't like Modessit's qausi bashing of RJ in his one post but other than that I do like reading blogs of authors for the most part.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-16-2008, 08:11 AM
No, we're not. We're automatons. We exist only for the fans.

DeiwosTheSkyGod
06-16-2008, 10:40 AM
I'm very similar: almost everything annoys me.

Where is that rolling emoticon when I need it? I'm laughing out loud at that, Uno.

Gandelail
06-16-2008, 04:17 PM
Erikson is really good. I have tried to read Gardens of the Moon (?) 3 times now and just when I'm really getting into it (around pg 100) I get drawn off by something or other and have to restart from the beginning so I don't forget everything. His writing is really good though. I'm at a lull between books right now so I think I'll start him again and really finish it this time.

I'm in the same boat, Dav... tried several times and get about 100 pages in and have to start over later... I just started reading the book again on Saturday and finally made it past those 100 pages! Hopefully we'll both finally finish this time!

:D

JSUCamel
06-16-2008, 04:57 PM
Finally finished Deadhouse Gates. It does get better.