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Davian93
06-15-2010, 02:10 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't get within 10 yds of a small child by itself if you paid me...no way in hell. And that was before reading crap like this.

Link (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/os-mike-thomas-juvenile-arrest-06151020100615,0,1374755,full.column)

OrlandoSentinel.com
Handling of 'abduction' case involving teen has been absurd
Mike Thomas

COMMENTARY

June 15, 2010

I know that in this paranoid world, you never approach a small child who is by herself, take her by the hand and walk out of a store with her in search of mommy.

But I am not 14 years old.

I am not Edwin.

Last week, Edwin went to the Burlington Coat Factory store on West Colonial Drive with his mother.

He saw a 3-year-old girl without a parent. If he had it to do all over again, if he could see the cops, the handcuffs, the TV cameras and the jail cell all awaiting him, I imagine the last thing he would have done was try to help her.

But he did.

I pieced together what happened from the investigative report, a 911 call, surveillance video, news reports and interviews with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Edwin approached the girl and told her he would find her mother. Edwin's mother said she saw the two together, asked Edwin what was going on, and then said she would help.

Then Edwin made his big mistake. He thought the girl's mother might be among a group of women that he saw leaving the store. So off he went.

The video shows him leaving the store, with the girl following behind. Once outside, he took her by the hand.

Edwin's mother then appeared, following after him and the girl.

It turned out the girl's lost mother was in the store. She told investigators that she was returning an item to the shelf when she lost track of her daughter. She naturally became alarmed. Another shopper told her that the girl left the store with a man. Edwin is big enough to pass for a defensive lineman, which probably is part of the problem here.

The video shows the girl's mother rushing out the door.

By that time, Edwin had discovered the girl didn't belong to any of the women he had seen leaving the store. He said he was turning back to return to the store.

There was a convergence of Edwin, his mother, the little girl and her mother. The girl was returned to her mother.

The video then shows mother and daughter going back into the store, followed shortly thereafter by Edwin and his mother.

A store employee then called 911 at the behest of the girl's mother. After the employee tells the dispatcher about the abduction, the dispatcher asks where the perpetrator is.

"He's over in shoes,'' the employee said.

Edwin is quite the kidnapper. He brings his mom along. He hangs out in front of the store until the victim's mother shows up. And then he returns to the store and starts shopping for shoes.

That's one cool customer.

Detectives arrived and investigated. They then slapped the cuffs on Edwin and paraded him out in front of television cameras by now waiting outside.

"We tried to be sensitive to the fact he was 14,'' said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jeff Williamson. "We made an effort to keep direct questions out of his face.''

Hardly. Two reporters shoved microphones in Edwin's face without any objection from the detectives escorting him. One of the investigators probably could have bitten one of the reporters on the arm.

"Can you tell us why you're in handcuffs?'' a reporter shouted out. "Did you try to kidnap someone?''

Despite his young age, one television station identified Edwin and put the video of his arrest on its website.

Another station reported that deputies were able to arrest him before he was able to get away with the girl.

The Sentinel underplayed the story inside the local section: "A small child is safe and a teenager is in custody after an attempted abduction.''

In the public eye, Edwin was busted and convicted. And don't think his friends, neighbors and classmates don't know.

But look at the evidence.

We have the little girl's mother losing track of her daughter.

We have Edwin's mother not taking the girl from Edwin and turning her over to a store employee.

And we have Edwin in handcuffs.

I'm not sure the problem here is with the 14-year-old.

Interestingly enough, the girl's mother never did press charges. But the Sheriff's Office decided it would, ultimately settling on a charge of false imprisonment.

"He was in custody of the child and had no authority to be so,'' said Capt. Angelo Nieves. "The thing is to make clear we have not charged him with an offense that did not occur.''

Ivhon
06-15-2010, 02:15 PM
*shakes head*

Sometimes being male is really difficult.

Davian93
06-15-2010, 02:29 PM
A guy with a small child is almost always suspected of being either a kidnapper or a potential pedophile.

Sure, not by everyone but there is always at least a couple women that automatically assume the worst about him.

This is reality and this is why I would never ever ever EVER put myself in a similar situation or ever be alone with anyone's kids for even a minute...even if it was under the most innocent of circumstances. Its just not worth it.

Ivhon
06-15-2010, 03:31 PM
A guy with a small child is almost always suspected of being either a kidnapper or a potential pedophile.

Sure, not by everyone but there is always at least a couple women that automatically assume the worst about him.

This is reality and this is why I would never ever ever EVER put myself in a similar situation or ever be alone with anyone's kids for even a minute...even if it was under the most innocent of circumstances. Its just not worth it.

Exactly. Men are presumed guilty in these situations and the book is thrown hard.

GonzoTheGreat
06-15-2010, 04:22 PM
"He was in custody of the child and had no authority to be so,'' said Capt. Angelo Nieves. "The thing is to make clear we have not charged him with an offense that did not occur.''
Let me ask: are there any circumstances at all in which you can have authority to be "in custody of a child" which you don't know?

Suppose, for instance, that you discover a car wreck in a desert, with a dead adult and a living 3 three year old there, and you have no reception on any mobile, would leaving the child be the best solution?

In the case from the OP, approaching store personel and having them put call through the store would be a better approach. If this did not have a result, then calling 911 might be advisable.
If he had wanted to chase the group leaving the store, he could have left the child with his mother (that's what mothers are for, after all) and ran after the women himself (most blokes don't do that with a kid in tow, as he should've known even at his age).

Brita
06-15-2010, 04:31 PM
A guy with a small child is almost always suspected of being either a kidnapper or a potential pedophile.

Sure, not by everyone but there is always at least a couple women that automatically assume the worst about him.

This is reality and this is why I would never ever ever EVER put myself in a similar situation or ever be alone with anyone's kids for even a minute...even if it was under the most innocent of circumstances. Its just not worth it.

As a parent it gets more difficult. Dav, will you ever drive the babysitter home? Or will your wife always do this task? Just curious. We have friends that abide by this.

Will you feel comfortable babysitting a friend's daughter (or son for that matter) if your wife isn't home? What if your daughter has a friend sleepover, and your wife is called out urgently? Will you feel comfortable to watch the girls alone?

Will you let your kids be babysat by a boy?

I ask in sincerity, as the paranoia in today's society makes these real issues that (unfortunately) need to be worked out. And single fathers have it very, very hard.

Sei'taer
06-15-2010, 04:31 PM
Let me ask: are there any circumstances at all in which you can have authority to be "in custody of a child" which you don't know?

Suppose, for instance, that you discover a car wreck in a desert, with a dead adult and a living 3 three year old there, and you have no reception on any mobile, would leaving the child be the best solution?

In the case from the OP, approaching store personel and having them put call through the store would be a better approach. If this did not have a result, then calling 911 might be advisable.
If he had wanted to chase the group leaving the store, he could have left the child with his mother (that's what mothers are for, after all) and ran after the women himself (most blokes don't do that with a kid in tow, as he should've known even at his age).

Y'know, My son is 13 yrs old, 5'9" and weighs in at 178 lbs. He has a sister in a wheelchair and a 4 yr old little brother. He is very sensitive to little kids who are in trouble and I could see him trying to help this little girl. He has a big heart (to match his size). I'll have to let him know that he can't do anything like this. It would kill him if people thought he was doing anything other than helping...especially if they accused him of being a pedophile.

Ivhon
06-15-2010, 04:40 PM
As a parent it gets more difficult. Dav, will you ever drive the babysitter home? Or will your wife always do this task? Just curious. We have friends that abide by this.

I get uncomfortable being within 200 feet of a woman walking alone...particularly at night. With that in mind, I cannot see myself driving home a female babysitter.

Will you feel comfortable babysitting a friend's daughter (or son for that matter) if your wife isn't home? depends on the parents and the kid What if your daughter has a friend sleepover, and your wife is called out urgently? Will you feel comfortable to watch the girls alone? Im most likely ok with this

Will you let your kids be babysat by a boy? Depends on the boy and the developmental levels of all involved. I would be skeptical

I ask in sincerity, as the paranoia in today's society makes these real issues that (unfortunately) need to be worked out. And single fathers have it very, very hard.

totally not fair :D

DahLliA
06-15-2010, 06:38 PM
humanity is way overdue for the scrapheap as a horribly failed experiment.

but yeah. me being from the slightly less fucked up(at least so far) part of the planet I probably would help a kid that is crying. but I would have checked the store and left the kid with my mother(as in this case) before running out. if that failed I would have taken the kid to someone who worked there(and then laid off some snide comments about parents keeping better track of their kids)

still. getting arrested for it is just fucked up.

Davian93
06-15-2010, 06:59 PM
As a parent it gets more difficult. Dav, will you ever drive the babysitter home? Or will your wife always do this task? Just curious. We have friends that abide by this.

Not no but HELL NO. If anything both of us will or we'll have him/her picked up by their parent. My aunt and uncle used to be foster parents and they learned the hard way after 1 accusation to never EVER have my uncle be in the same house/location/car with any foster kid by himself. He was completely cleared and they kept being foster parents after it but it really tainted it for them...and this was 15-20 years ago.

Will you feel comfortable babysitting a friend's daughter (or son for that matter) if your wife isn't home? What if your daughter has a friend sleepover, and your wife is called out urgently? Will you feel comfortable to watch the girls alone?

Nope, not a chance. Wouldn't do it. I wouldn't risk it. Kids dont get how serious even a "joking accusation" is. You tell them "No Icecream" and suddenly you're a sex offender somehow. Well, maybe if there were a bunch of them and plenty of witnesses to show I wasn't doing anything weird. I would always make sure to be fully dressed...no PJs or anything even remotely resembling that.

Will you let your kids be babysat by a boy?

Depends on the boy and how well we know him.

I ask in sincerity, as the paranoia in today's society makes these real issues that (unfortunately) need to be worked out. And single fathers have it very, very hard.

Society isn't set up for single fathers and its total BS for some of the crap they go through.



Thanks Brita...now I'm completely terrified of having daughters. :)

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 08:51 AM
Thanks Brita...now I'm completely terrified of having daughters. :)

I generally listen to Kim Iverson on my way home from school (tacky, I know, but it beats male talk shows "DERRRRRRRR I Farted *8 sequential laugh tracks* DERRRRRR"

Couple of weeks ago I tried real hard to call in because they were talking about the "irrelevance of men." Basically, one of the panel was pretty much advocating a "why bother with relationships" stance. Just go get knocked up/go to the sperm bank and do the parenting thing yourself.

I was incensed. This is the ultimate expression of what has become a societal expectation that all men are closet wife-beating, child-raping deadbeats. And we just accept this as a culture.

This woman was advocating TRYING to raise your child in less than ideal circumstances. Not a knock against single moms - hat is off to the effort - but research demonstrates that statistically, children do better when there is are two good parents. In fact, research also shows that GOOD fathers - again statistically - have greater positive influence on child development than good mothers do (flip side is that bad fathers have greater negative influences than bad mothers). And this woman is advocating single-motherhood because "relationships are too much of a hassle." And the guy will probably end up being a deadbeat anyway. Way to generalize from the sensational news, dirtbag.

Furthermore, this approach completely dismisses those of us who WANT to be good fathers. As a man, I cannot "go get knocked up (and even if I could, it is infinitely easier for women to procure sex than it is for men)." I cannot get artificially impregnated. Chances of a single man being able to adopt are miniscule. I MIGHT be able to convince someone to bear a child for me, but if she changes her mind and wants to keep the baby.....well, I'm a less fit parent by virtue of having a penis.


ok. took some deep breaths. going back to Chile v. Honduras

Sei'taer
06-16-2010, 09:12 AM
I generally listen to Kim Iverson on my way home from school (tacky, I know, but it beats male talk shows "DERRRRRRRR I Farted *8 sequential laugh tracks* DERRRRRR"

Couple of weeks ago I tried real hard to call in because they were talking about the "irrelevance of men." Basically, one of the panel was pretty much advocating a "why bother with relationships" stance. Just go get knocked up/go to the sperm bank and do the parenting thing yourself.

I was incensed. This is the ultimate expression of what has become a societal expectation that all men are closet wife-beating, child-raping deadbeats. And we just accept this as a culture.

This woman was advocating TRYING to raise your child in less than ideal circumstances. Not a knock against single moms - hat is off to the effort - but research demonstrates that statistically, children do better when there is are two good parents. In fact, research also shows that GOOD fathers - again statistically - have greater positive influence on child development than good mothers do (flip side is that bad fathers have greater negative influences than bad mothers). And this woman is advocating single-motherhood because "relationships are too much of a hassle." And the guy will probably end up being a deadbeat anyway. Way to generalize from the sensational news, dirtbag.

Furthermore, this approach completely dismisses those of us who WANT to be good fathers. As a man, I cannot "go get knocked up (and even if I could, it is infinitely easier for women to procure sex than it is for men)." I cannot get artificially impregnated. Chances of a single man being able to adopt are miniscule. I MIGHT be able to convince someone to bear a child for me, but if she changes her mind and wants to keep the baby.....well, I'm a less fit parent by virtue of having a penis.


ok. took some deep breaths. going back to Chile v. Honduras

Best day of my life was standing in divorce court and hearing the judge give custody of my kids to my lazy, slacker, uncaring, do-nothing, adultering, drug addicted, wife because I was a male and incapable of caring for two small children...totally disregarding the fact that I had been doing just that for the past five years.

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 09:27 AM
Best day of my life was standing in divorce court and hearing the judge give custody of my kids to my lazy, slacker, uncaring, do-nothing, adultering, drug addicted, wife because I was a male and incapable of caring for two small children...totally disregarding the fact that I had been doing just that for the past five years.

Bet she cried in court, didn't she?

Davian93
06-16-2010, 09:29 AM
Bet she cried in court, didn't she?

That poor mother...HOW DARE YOU TAKE HER BABIES!!!

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 09:32 AM
That poor mother...HOW DARE YOU TAKE HER BABIES!!!

She didn't MEAN to molest that 12 year old boy. See? She's crying...we should all feel bad for her. Hell, community service is too much.

Empower women...but disempower their tears

Davian93
06-16-2010, 09:46 AM
She didn't MEAN to molest that 12 year old boy. See? She's crying...we should all feel bad for her. Hell, community service is too much.

Empower women...but disempower their tears

So, yeah...speaking of women using crocadile tears, I have a good story:

A guy I know pretty well was dating this female...a crazy psycho female and she wanted to kick him out of their joint apartment and have her drug addict friend move in so she could party more. She was a pill addict/meth head herself and she was sick of the guy not doing that so she figured it would be far more fun to live with a friend with similar tastes. So, she called the cops and said that he hit her and threw her down the stairs. This never happened but the Sheriff's office didn't care...they arrested him, let her put in a temporary restraining order and told him to stay away from the apartment until the court hearing (in 2 weeks). So he was homeless at this point. We let him crash on our couch for the 2 weeks. The Sheriff's office wouldn't even let him back into his place to get a change of clothes or any of his stuff. She proceeded to trash all his stuff just for the hell of it. Even better, she (being pretty stupid) talked to his sister and openly admitted why she was claiming abuse and that she was completely lying. Even better, she called him up crying the night before the court date for the final restraining order and supposedly "made up" with him saying she would just not show up to court and they'd dismiss the charges...that she loved him, blah blah blah. He was gonna not go himself (he's kinda slow sometimes) but we forced him to get dressed and drove him to the courthouse. Low and behold, guess who's there with her lawyer? Yup, she of course was there and she was quite annoyed that he showed. The court would have automatically ruled against him if he wasn't there and she knew that...that's why she tried to convince him to not go by saying she'd drop it.

Then the actual court hearing...she starts going on about how he hit her and raped her and busts out crying/sobbing to the point where the Judge had to have the court recorder/reporter read back what she was saying as no one could understand her through the fake tears. When the Judge kept questioning her on the circumstances, things didn't add up.

Her: "Well, it was rape because even though I said yes, didn't struggle, enjoyed it and we were boyfriend/girlfriend, later on I felt like he pressured me by asking a couple times"

Judge: "Huh? That's not rape."

Her: "Even though I love him very much I just feel its best if we don't live together anymore and I need a restraining order from you to do this."

Judge: "Yeah, you dont need the courts, you need to be an adult and figure this out on your own...between the two of you...case dismissed."


Oh, I forgot the best part...she had him served with the restraining order at his work and she called up his supervisor to tell the guy all about how evil he was and how he had done these horrible things to her. Basically she was trying to get him fired too. She's a pretty vindictive beyotch to be honest. I ran into her (she works at a Pizza Hut now) last year when I was picking up takeout and she's completely gone. She looks like she has bugs living in her skin. Picture Lindsay Lohan but worse for what drugs and drug abuse can do to someone...and you'd have her. I dont even know if she recognized me to be honest...she was out of it.

Jokeslayer
06-16-2010, 10:37 AM
Exactly how dumb do you have to be to think taking someone else's child out of a shop is a good idea?

JSUCamel
06-16-2010, 10:49 AM
Exactly how dumb do you have to be to think taking someone else's child out of a shop is a good idea?

IIRC, he was a 14 year old, and 14 year olds, especially kind-hearted ones like this one, don't tend to think in the same way that we adults do about this kind of thing. In his mind, the end result was never a possibility -- he was just trying to help a kid find her mother. This doesn't make him stupid, just young, naive and innocent.

Davian93
06-16-2010, 10:54 AM
Exactly how dumb do you have to be to think taking someone else's child out of a shop is a good idea?

When he's 14 and thinks that one of the women just leaving the shop is the mother? Probably not that dumb.

Besides, if you read it, it looks like he left the girl with his own mother, walked outside and the kid followed...at that piont, he took her hand as they were likely in the parking lot. Not the dumbest move.

I blame the mother of the kid on a couple levels:

1. Watch your damn kid.
2. She's the one that had the store call the police...nice gratitude, witch!

Frenzy
06-16-2010, 11:11 AM
This doesn't make him stupid, just young, naive and innocent.
and THAT has to be squished with alacrity.

It's stuff like this that makes me hate people.

Sinistrum
06-16-2010, 11:25 AM
Yeah pretty ridiculous, but what do you expect out of a culture and society that pervasively spreads the idea that men are stupid, predatory, sex crazed, emotionally stunted, and selfish. Just look at your average beer commercial for proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxTNjQe0Xs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZ5okiPAhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOEdrmRfg8g

And that is supposed to be advertising that appeals to men.

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 11:36 AM
Yeah pretty ridiculous, but what do you expect out of a culture and society that pervasively spreads the idea that men are stupid, predatory, sex crazed, emotionally stunted, and selfish. Just look at your average beer commercial for proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxTNjQe0Xs

In that whole series of commercials, the man ALWAYS loses....the woman is allowed to look and fantasize, he isn't. Utter crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZ5okiPAhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOEdrmRfg8g

And that is supposed to be advertising that appeals to men.

Did a presentation and a paper on this last summer. My favorite anti-man commercial is this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnB3g10Ekh0

Where the only purpose the woman has is to gratuitously point out the stupidity of the men.

Sinistrum
06-16-2010, 11:44 AM
I couldn't find the most recent one that is driving me nuts but has been blaring every time I tune into an NBA finals game. I think its coors light because they make a big deal out of the cold activated cans. Anyways, its a black woman attempting to seduce a black man with a sexy outfight, but the man is apparently so dumb that his only focus is on the fridge and the beer in it, thereby completely ignoring and pissing off the woman. And of course the man is completely oblivious to that as well. Its like nails on a chalk board every time I see it.

Davian93
06-16-2010, 12:00 PM
The Man is always an idiot driven by sex or sports and is treated like a 3rd child while the mother/woman does everything.

99% of commericals fall under this theory.

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 12:01 PM
The Man is always an idiot driven by sex or sports and is treated like a 3rd child while the mother/woman does everything.

99% of commericals fall under this theory.

and 100% of prime time tv sitcoms

Davian93
06-16-2010, 12:02 PM
and 100% of prime time tv sitcoms

sitcoms still exist?

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 12:03 PM
sitcoms still exist?

The Simpsons is still running. Family Guy.

Davian93
06-16-2010, 12:09 PM
The Simpsons is still running. Family Guy.

Yeah, I guess those are technically sitcoms...in cartoon form.

Weird Harold
06-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Yeah, I guess those are technically sitcoms...in cartoon form.

You probably just don't recognise the live action sitcoms because they're not funny enough for anyone with abrainto watch for more than a few minutes.

Ivhon
06-16-2010, 01:44 PM
Pretty much every family-themed sitcom uses that formula and has since Family Ties. The TV formula itself goes back to the Honeymooners at least, but there used to be shows like Father Knows Best that at least gave another set of stereotypes. Now...nothin.

My beef is this. We rightly questioned what message we were sending our children - girls AND boys - when women were invariably portrayed as domestic, submissive, delicate, helpless sex objects to be protected and patronized when they scream at a mouse.

Why is the same not happening now? Girls AND boys are growing up with the message that men are incompetent brutes who can be tolerated at the best of times and must be endured so that they can reach things and pick up heavy objects. The women (primarily) that teach our children see boys as problems that must be endured while they focus on the much more docile girls...reinforcing the tv message. No wonder that boys are falling further and further behind academically...reinforcing the tv message. And no wonder you have panelists on women talk shows that advocate for single parenthood because men just aren't worth it.

Im a man and god dammit, Im worth it. Any boy children of mine will be worth it too.

To be clear, this is NOT an attack on women, nor a trivialization of the issues they still face in society. There simply isn't much awareness of the reciprocal issues men face - patriarchy or not - and they merit awareness. Everyone loses in gender wars, particularly kids.

Amen

Yellowbeard
06-16-2010, 03:14 PM
i blame it all on the 60's. f*cking pussified hippies!

Davian93
06-16-2010, 03:47 PM
i blame it all on the 60's. f*cking pussified hippies!

We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks.

Sei'taer
06-16-2010, 04:32 PM
We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks.

And blacks too. If you're going to go the politically incorrect route, you might as well go all the way.

Davian93
06-16-2010, 04:49 PM
And blacks too. If you're going to go the politically incorrect route, you might as well go all the way.

Definitely.


Note: my comment was a Simpsons reference...apparently an obscure one.

Yellowbeard
06-16-2010, 05:13 PM
Note: my comment was a Simpsons reference...apparently an obscure one.

i have a vague memory of it - mr. burns?

Davian93
06-16-2010, 09:08 PM
i have a vague memory of it - mr. burns?

Bart, after he and Lisa are watching the Schoolhouse Rock "Amendment to Be" song.

I'm an amendment to be,
yes an amendment to be and
I'm hoping that they ratify me...
Cause there's a lot of flag burners
who have way to much freedom
I wanna make it legal
for policemen to beat em
Cause there's limits to our liberties
At least I pray and I hope
Cause those Liberal freaks go to far

Off top of head there so it could be a bit off.

Brita
06-16-2010, 10:19 PM
I totally agree with you guys on the deplorable way men are portrayed in pop culture. I hate it. Everyone loses in gender wars.

Sini, I thought the first clip was funny, and not offensive. Except it is always the guy that is outsmarted, I admit. But it was a fun bit. This is a commercial where, only because of gender wars, it is offensive. If gender is removed it is just a fun bit of ribbing.

The second two make men look like utter morons, and I totally agree they send a ridiculous message.

Sinistrum
06-16-2010, 10:42 PM
Brita, you can't just consider the Corona commercial by itself. There is another one with the same two people where the man is checking out a woman and the woman he is with squirts lime in his eye. The message of the two commercials combined is that its ok for a woman to check out another guy but its not ok for a man to check out another woman and that the woman will always be the smarter of two.

Brita
06-16-2010, 11:22 PM
Brita, you can't just consider the Corona commercial by itself. There is another one with the same two people where the man is checking out a woman and the woman he is with squirts lime in his eye. The message of the two commercials combined is that its ok for a woman to check out another guy but its not ok for a man to check out another woman and that the woman will always be the smarter of two.

Yep- in that context it ruins all the fun.

Birgitte
06-16-2010, 11:36 PM
God that story is stupid. And people wonder why I have no hope for humanity. Maybe it was a miscommunication in the article, but it seems like the woman had the cops called after her child was returned to her. Seriously, bitch? It's this teenage boy's fault that you can't keep an eye on your kid? He brings your kid back to you, so he's the bad guy here? What was that about how I shouldn't hate people?


You probably just don't recognise the live action sitcoms because they're not funny enough for anyone with abrainto watch for more than a few minutes.

I resent that remark! I LOVE, repeat, LOVE How I Met Your Mother and The Big Bang Theory.

tworiverswoman
06-17-2010, 02:46 PM
I can't figure out if the same people who hate how men are portrayed in modern commercials/TV/movies/books because "it sends the wrong message" are the same people who say that violence in TV/movies/books/video games "has no real effect" on how we perceive violence.

Or are they on opposing teams?

I was considering this morning (during the morning drive to work) that perhaps violent video games make us SAFER because there's less shock to freeze us in place when we confront REAL violence. Never heard that one suggested anywhere...

Brita
06-17-2010, 08:24 PM
Yes- good point. I was at self defense training session at work and the army/cop trainer dude said the number thing is to get over the shock of "this isn't happening" realize it is and take action. So you may have something there....

Matoyak
06-17-2010, 11:59 PM
Or are they on opposing teams?I don't think one is necessarily tied to the other.

I was considering this morning (during the morning drive to work) that perhaps violent video games make us SAFER because there's less shock to freeze us in place when we confront REAL violence. Never heard that one suggested anywhere...I like this idea. (But then again, I tend to be a defender of video games and violence in them...so yeah. That isn't to say I'm one of those nutters who think that violent movies/video games/books/what have you have no effect. I just think...hrm, nah, don't want to deviate too far from topic.)