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Matoyak
06-30-2010, 11:03 PM
Wonder Woman gains outfit of +5energy, +10Armor, and +Some%Actual Coverage of Skin. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/06/29/new-wonder-woman-costume/)

First off, I will admit that I don't read American print comics anymore (too expensive), and am therefore not going to be dealing with this in the slightest, so I'm not someone that DC Comics should listen to.

That said, I really like this new outfit. I know that will likely raise the ire of DC Comics fans out there, but whatever.
I know that on Twitter the rage is already flying hard and fast at DC, and I assume it is only a matter of time before it reaches the rest of the internet at large.

Was curious if anyone here cared one way or another, and felt it was interesting enough to post.

Birgitte
06-30-2010, 11:21 PM
First off, I will admit that I don't read American print comics anymore (too expensive), and am therefore not going to be dealing with this in the slightest, so I'm not someone that DC Comics should listen to.

That said, I really like this new outfit. I know that will likely raise the ire of DC Comics fans out there, but whatever.

Ditto

Weird Harold
06-30-2010, 11:25 PM
Wonder Woman gains outfit of +5energy, +10Armor, and +Some%Actual Coverage of Skin. (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/06/29/new-wonder-woman-costume/)

First off, I will admit that I don't read American print comics anymore (too expensive), and am therefore not going to be dealing with this in the slightest, so I'm not someone that DC Comics should listen to.

That said, I really like this new outfit. I know that will likely raise the ire of DC Comics fans out there, but whatever.
I know that on Twitter the rage is already flying hard and fast at DC, and I assume it is only a matter of time before it reaches the rest of the internet at large.

Was curious if anyone here cared one way or another, and felt it was interesting enough to post.
Oh Look! it's spiderwoman!

I'm not particularly excercised over the costume change, but whoever thought up the new origin ought to be shot, knifed, battered, beaten, and then somebody ought to hurt them.

I could understand the new character if they decided that Diana had a granddaughter (or great-granddaughter) but to take a 70+ year old Heroine and turn her into a barely legal, angst-ridden female verion of the Phantom(tm) is just stupid.

Matoyak
06-30-2010, 11:46 PM
but whoever thought up the new origin ought to be shot, knifed, battered, beaten, and then somebody ought to hurt them.

I could understand the new character if they decided that Diana had a granddaughter (or great-granddaughter) but to take a 70+ year old Heroine and turn her into a barely legal, angst-ridden female version of the Phantom(tm) is just stupid.Now this I can totally agree with. The whole origins makeover is...not very well thought out, to put it mildly.

DahLliA
07-01-2010, 06:37 AM
like the new outfit. don't really read any American comics except Spawn though

JSUCamel
07-01-2010, 10:09 AM
While I think the look is fine (she's cute), I don't think it fits Wonder Woman at all. It's too Everywoman and not superhero-ish enough. There's absolutely nothing special about her now -- she looks like a regular teenager/20-something. If you stuck her in a bar with 50 other women of similar age, I wouldn't be able to tell who she is.

Not a good sign.

JSUCamel
07-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Fixed (by a coworker of mine)

http://twitpic.com/21e7p1

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/123275125.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1278004324&Signature=zh1pYHYCjdqycthP5BXDoD%2F9h8s%3D

Basel Gill
07-01-2010, 03:20 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Wonder_Woman_bracelets.jpg/200px-Wonder_Woman_bracelets.jpg

THIS is Wonder Woman. (drool)

Who needs angst? Give me hot pants and 70's music.

Firseal
07-02-2010, 12:10 AM
I actually like the outfit, will admit to buying comics (though, granted, Wonder Woman is not one of them), and think that while the story is one hell of a stretch, I'm not about to go, "Hey, isn't it terrible that woman is actually wearing pants now?"

The coat isn't bad either.

Frenzy
07-02-2010, 01:27 AM
How come her backstory is the same as Lan's?

Firseal
07-02-2010, 04:48 AM
How come her backstory is the same as Lan's?

Brandon is moonlighting.

Oatman
07-02-2010, 05:39 AM
I remember back when I worked in a club, a girl came in wearing a Wonder Woman outift which was less covering than the comic outfit. That was a good night.
With the new outift it looks like she would fit in with the X-men as represented in the most recent movies. Other than that I don't really care. Wonder Woman has never been an interesting hero in my mind.

GonzoTheGreat
07-02-2010, 06:36 AM
Wonder Woman has never been an interesting hero in my mind.An assessment based purely on her outfits, no doubt.

Basel Gill
07-02-2010, 10:13 AM
Yeah I know its shallow, but I have some very fond memories of Lynda Carter, Erin Gray and Charlie's Angels as a growing lad. It's all about the nostalgia...;)

JSUCamel
07-02-2010, 11:16 AM
With the new outift it looks like she would fit in with the X-men as represented in the most recent movies.

This. In the new outfit, she doesn't look like Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is the Amazonian equivalent of Hercules. Can you imagine Hercules wearing a jeans and a jacket? Absolutely nothing would distinguish him from any Joe Body Builder on the street. The same goes for Wonder Woman -- her looks, her outfit, and especially her heritage define who she is. Take that away, and you've got Jane Street Girl. If you threw WW in the new outfit in a room full of girls in their 20s, I wouldn't be able to tell you which one was Wonder Woman. For a superhero comic character, that is not a good thing.

It's not the pants that are the problem, it's the lack of Wonder Woman-ness in the new design. It just doesn't LOOK like Wondy.

Basel Gill
07-02-2010, 02:23 PM
"It's not the pants that are the problem"

I beg to differ. C'mon, where are the comic pervs???:D

ShadowbaneX
07-02-2010, 02:35 PM
I thought it was the actions that made the hero, not the tight fitting spandex. Granted, the outfits are iconic and symbolic, but sitting around in underwear and doing nothing is called modeling.

JSUCamel
07-02-2010, 04:10 PM
I thought it was the actions that made the hero, not the tight fitting spandex. Granted, the outfits are iconic and symbolic, but sitting around in underwear and doing nothing is called modeling.

Well it is, but a ripped dude in jeans and a T-shirt running around kicking ass could be any random Joe Superhero. The motif of the character differentiates Joe Superhero from Hercules, or Jane Superheroine from Wonder Woman.

This design is the equivalent of taking Superman's outfit away, and having him fight crime in his Clark Kent persona, not his Superman persona.

Edit: To put it another way, if you take this:

http://goremasterfx.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/conan.jpg

and give him a hair cut, a t-shirt, a jacket, some shades, and some jeans, you get this:

http://www.variety.com/graphics/photos/_storypics/arnold_terminator.jpg

And I think we can all agree that Conan is not The Terminator. Thus, the outfit and the motif are part of the very core identity of the character. To change that too dramatically changes the character beyond recognition, as is the case of the new Wonder Woman designs.

Firseal
07-02-2010, 10:05 PM
Edit: To put it another way, if you take this:

http://goremasterfx.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/conan.jpg

and give him a hair cut, a t-shirt, a jacket, some shades, and some jeans, you get this:

http://www.variety.com/graphics/photos/_storypics/arnold_terminator.jpg

And I think we can all agree that Conan is not The Terminator. Thus, the outfit and the motif are part of the very core identity of the character. To change that too dramatically changes the character beyond recognition, as is the case of the new Wonder Woman designs.

Nor is Conan in any way the Hercules I think of. (Where the hell did the modern world get the damn loincloth?) Moreover, Arnold looking like a bodybuilder who got mugged and had to redress at a low-budget fantasy con vs his terminater look... Seriously. Make that jacket rough, brown, make the shirt underneath linen, and lose the sunglasses (and maybe the gun. Or, given that Herc wasn't really that adverse to weapons, maybe keep the gun), and I'd buy that look for Hercules.

Nazbaque
07-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Hmmmm I don't really read comics that much. I'll admit I own about 100 issues of Spider-Man and know at least a bit about most Marvel characters, but that's pretty much it between me and comics.

The DC characters are always somewhat lacking. OK Batman kicks some serious donkey, but the rest...

But my two cents on Wonder Woman and this change: The new outfit in itself isn't actually a bad one. It just isn't WW. The background change is the real mistake though. Change the outfit that's a bit sluttish and doesn't fit to her background - fine, though personally I would have just added the pants and I wouldn't have made them black, but bright blue. Change her background from the rather good one to a female copy of Marvel's Thor - lame. So we go from bad outfit + good background to good outfit + bad background and instead of people not buying a second issue because the first didn't have the porn they were expecting they aren't buying it because the first one's story sucked.

Gilshalos Sedai
07-06-2010, 09:06 AM
Y'all realize this is just preparatory to the ultimate indignity to the brutalization of my childhood idols: casting Megan Fox as Wonder Woman.

No wonder they ditched Whedon's script.

Davian93
07-06-2010, 10:32 AM
Y'all realize this is just preparatory to the ultimate indignity to the brutalization of my childhood idols: casting Megan Fox as Wonder Woman.

No wonder they ditched Whedon's script.

She has big toes for thumbs.

Ivhon
07-06-2010, 10:48 AM
She has big toes for thumbs.

for the record, I would totally dig having opposable big toes.

yks 6nnetu hing
07-06-2010, 10:59 AM
for the record, I would totally dig having opposable big toes.

you could definitely totally dig.

reTaardad
07-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Fixed (by a coworker of mine)

http://twitpic.com/21e7p1

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/123275125.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1278004324&Signature=zh1pYHYCjdqycthP5BXDoD%2F9h8s%3D

Does your friend know that his picture was featured on Digg?

(Digg (http://digg.com/comics_animation/Now_THIS_is_how_Wonder_Woman_s_New_Costume_Should_ Be) via Sci-Fi Wire (http://scifiwire.com/2010/07/image-of-the-day-wonder-w.php) via Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/21e7p1))

JSUCamel
07-06-2010, 12:55 PM
Does your friend know that his picture was featured on Digg?

(Digg (http://digg.com/comics_animation/Now_THIS_is_how_Wonder_Woman_s_New_Costume_Should_ Be) via Sci-Fi Wire (http://scifiwire.com/2010/07/image-of-the-day-wonder-w.php) via Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/21e7p1))

Yep. We fielded several calls from various news agencies last week, including the local Fox News affiliate. The subsequent articles wound up on news sites across the nation. Here are just a few links that showcased the image:

http://occasionalsuperheroine.blogspot.com/2010/07/new-wonder-woman-costume-fixed.html
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/entertainment/wonder-woman-updated-then-fixed-dpgo-20100701-jst_8440201
http://scifiwire.com/2010/07/image-of-the-day-wonder-w.php
http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/comics/article/new-wonder-woman-costume-fixed-by-fan-106023
http://loyalkng.com/2010/07/03/new-dc-wonder-woman-redesign-fixed-by-fan-gradunza-by-adding-more-sexy/


Like here, though, opinion appears to be split -- primarily, many people are happy about the addition of pants and don't like that my coworker took them back off. I think the new design doesn't look like Wonder Woman at all, though I've already iterated that point a few times. Personally, I think it's all about those boots, corset and hair. Everything else is much less important. I'd be okay with pants if she kept the boots on the outside!

Zanguini
07-06-2010, 01:12 PM
pants are denied


The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

of course with the powers of truth lasso and an invisible jet... we already know your an abomination.


http://thingsninamightlike.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/wonderwoman_invisiblejet.jpgStealthy!!

Of course Wonderwoman in her corset and culottes would just look silly.

Ivhon
07-06-2010, 02:17 PM
Yep. We fielded several calls from various news agencies last week, including the local Fox News affiliate. The subsequent articles wound up on news sites across the nation. Here are just a few links that showcased the image:

http://occasionalsuperheroine.blogspot.com/2010/07/new-wonder-woman-costume-fixed.html
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/entertainment/wonder-woman-updated-then-fixed-dpgo-20100701-jst_8440201
http://scifiwire.com/2010/07/image-of-the-day-wonder-w.php
http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/comics/article/new-wonder-woman-costume-fixed-by-fan-106023
http://loyalkng.com/2010/07/03/new-dc-wonder-woman-redesign-fixed-by-fan-gradunza-by-adding-more-sexy/


Like here, though, opinion appears to be split -- primarily, many people are happy about the addition of pants and don't like that my coworker took them back off. I think the new design doesn't look like Wonder Woman at all, though I've already iterated that point a few times. Personally, I think it's all about those boots, corset and hair. Everything else is much less important. I'd be okay with pants if she kept the boots on the outside!

Compromise with capris?

JSUCamel
07-06-2010, 03:25 PM
Compromise with capris?

I think it's possible to give Wonder Woman pants and have her still look like Wonder Woman. I just don't think Jim Lee's drawing does that -- it looks like a completely different person.

And as far as capris go, I think they look ridiculous.. on the same level as scoots, ups and jorts (http://thequickanddirtydirty.com/2010/07/05/scoops-ups-and-jorts-together-forever/). Then again, I'm not exactly a paragon of fashion...

Davian93
07-06-2010, 04:02 PM
I agree with Camel on capri's. I think they are the worst innovation in women's "fashion" in the past 10 years. Every time I'm out, all I see is female after female in capri's and Crocs (or just shower shoes). Ridiculous.


I refer to them as clamdiggers though.

Sei'taer
07-06-2010, 05:17 PM
I agree with Camel on capri's. I think they are the worst innovation in women's "fashion" in the past 10 years. Every time I'm out, all I see is female after female in capri's and Crocs (or just shower shoes). Ridiculous.


I refer to them as clamdiggers though.


I'm right there with you. We want to see legs ladies.

I'm also against the current male fashion I have noticed on a few occasions of blue jean capris that have been tight rolled just below the knee. Don't do that guys.

Gilshalos Sedai
07-07-2010, 08:35 AM
Wait. . . wait....

Y'all are now commenting on FASHION?????



Excuse me, I need to go giggle quietly in a corner, now.

Zanguini
07-07-2010, 08:40 AM
gil is probrably right...
*takes Camels mancard and locks it in the safe

GonzoTheGreat
07-07-2010, 09:36 AM
Excuse me, I need to go giggle quietly in a corner, now.Laughing out loud and pointing at them would also be allowed, under the circumstances.

Sei'taer
07-07-2010, 09:38 AM
Just because I don't know shit about fashion doesn't mean I can't comment on it. :p

JSUCamel
07-07-2010, 11:43 AM
Wait. . . wait....

Y'all are now commenting on FASHION?????



Excuse me, I need to go giggle quietly in a corner, now.

It would be one thing if I said "oh my gah! Those nails totally clash with those socks! And who wears white after Labor Day? Ugh!"

No, what I said was this:

And as far as capris go, I think they look ridiculous.. on the same level as scoots, ups and jorts.

I'm commenting on what I find attractive on a woman, and I'm not the only one who thinks this. If Jane Doe wants to wear capris, that's fine, but it's certainly not going to make me look twice. Granted, most women dress up for each other, not for men, but if you're single and out there trying to find a guy,... well, a guy's opinion can matter.

Hopper
07-07-2010, 03:03 PM
Y'all realize this is just preparatory to the ultimate indignity to the brutalization of my childhood idols: casting Megan Fox as Wonder Woman.

No wonder they ditched Whedon's script.

Megan Fox as Wonder Woman?!? They couldn't do that, right? And they'd probably have her bounci . . . ummm, running in slow motion too.

Sei'taer
07-07-2010, 05:40 PM
Megan Fox as Wonder Woman?!? They couldn't do that, right? And they'd probably have her bounci . . . ummm, running in slow motion too.

They could use Lindsay Lohan...Coke her up and tell her she's flying an invisible plane, it'd be awesome! Maybe she'd crash and burn and die a horrible death and I wouldn't have to hear the updates about her every THIRTY FRIGGIN MINUTES ON THE RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


~throws stuff all over the office just to make a point...steps outside for a smoke~

Ivhon
07-07-2010, 06:17 PM
They could use Lindsay Lohan...Coke her up and tell her she's flying an invisible plane, it'd be awesome! Maybe she'd crash and burn and die a horrible death and I wouldn't have to hear the updates about her every THIRTY FRIGGIN MINUTES ON THE RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


~throws stuff all over the office just to make a point...steps outside for a smoke~

Err...I know its Memphis and everything, but I'd be willing to bet that you could do something like....Idunno..turn the dial?

Weird Harold
07-07-2010, 06:50 PM
Megan Fox as Wonder Woman?!? They couldn't do that, right? And they'd probably have her bounci . . . ummm, running in slow motion too.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/41933/860789-megan_fox_wonder_woman_megan_gale_2_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/41933/860789-megan_fox_wonder_woman_megan_gale_2_super.jpg
I agree withthe caption; Megan Fox looks the part, but the whole idea is a hoax to pressure Fox into hiring her -- if they could talk her into taking the part.

Sei'taer
07-07-2010, 07:01 PM
Err...I know its Memphis and everything, but I'd be willing to bet that you could do something like....Idunno..turn the dial?

you haven't see my work truck have you?

yks 6nnetu hing
07-08-2010, 05:37 AM
It would be one thing if I said "oh my gah! Those nails totally clash with those socks! And who wears white after Labor Day? Ugh!"

No, what I said was this:



I'm commenting on what I find attractive on a woman, and I'm not the only one who thinks this. If Jane Doe wants to wear capris, that's fine, but it's certainly not going to make me look twice. Granted, most women dress up for each other, not for men, but if you're single and out there trying to find a guy,... well, a guy's opinion can matter.

misplace your sense of humour? you had it in the beginning of the thread... I know! Megan Fox must've taken it! in order to get it back you'll have to pawn those panties you got in a twist.

I do agree with you: a mans opinion does count. However, be careful what you wish for (actually not you, I believe it was Sei who wanted to see leg): more visible flesh is not always good. I still have this image of a girl I saw on the London tube burned into my retinas and that was a good 5 years ago. Lime green mini skirt and fishnets do not go well with obesity.

GonzoTheGreat
07-08-2010, 06:58 AM
misplace your sense of humour? you had it in the beginning of the thread...That was when he only knew what Wonder Woman was wearing as regular business outfit. When he saw her casual friday garb, some of his blood went from his brain to other regions, thus causing a lowered activity of his humour lobes*.

I do agree with you: a mans opinion does count. However, be careful what you wish for (actually not you, I believe it was Sei who wanted to see leg): more visible flesh is not always good. I still have this image of a girl I saw on the London tube burned into my retinas and that was a good 5 years ago. Lime green mini skirt and fishnets do not go well with obesity.To be entirely honest, I'm not sure many men would have wished to see that either. Some would, though. Humans are far weirder than you (or I) can imagine.

Edited to add footnote

* Number 20 in this chart (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/1895-Dictionary-Phrenolog.png).

JSUCamel
07-08-2010, 10:16 AM
misplace your sense of humour? you had it in the beginning of the thread... I know! Megan Fox must've taken it! in order to get it back you'll have to pawn those panties you got in a twist

or you can get bent.

jason wolfbrother
07-08-2010, 12:35 PM
looking at that picture I think I'd even rather have Miley Cyrus as Wonder Woman than Megan Fox


~ducks behind belafire proof shield and waits for the storm~ :cool: :cool: ;)

GonzoTheGreat
07-08-2010, 12:57 PM
Miley Miraculous!
Interesting idea, indeed.

Weird Harold
07-08-2010, 05:25 PM
looking at that picture I think I'd even rather have Miley Cyrus as Wonder Woman than Megan Fox


~ducks behind belafire proof shield and waits for the storm~ :cool: :cool: ;)
Surprisingly, there don't seem to be even any photoshopped images of Miley ina wonderwoman costume.


How about Kim Kardasian a Wonder Woman?
http://www2.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Kim+Kardashian+Dressed+Wonder+Woman+B31O3trc9t8l.j pg
http://www2.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Kim+Kardashian+Dressed+Wonder+Woman+B31O3trc9t8l.j pg
(more assets and less talent than either Megan or Miley)

Mort
07-08-2010, 06:15 PM
I remember back when I worked in a club, a girl came in wearing a Wonder Woman outift which was less covering than the comic outfit. That was a good night.


Naughty. :)
At one costume party I attended there was a girl who went as Lara Croft. She pulled it off well :)

On topic: Couldn't care less. :)

yks 6nnetu hing
07-09-2010, 08:39 AM
or you can get bent.

I fail to see how this would get you your sense of humour back. Or do we really need a huge "JOKE" sign every time someone makes a joke?
http://afurtherreflection.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/sarcasm-the-big-bang-theory-8135257-500-281.jpg

JSUCamel
07-09-2010, 10:12 AM
I fail to see how this would get you your sense of humour back. Or do we really need a huge "JOKE" sign every time someone makes a joke?

How about I put up a sign that says "Fuck off"? Every time I write something these days, you seem to think I'm pissed off and in a rage about something. In fact, the only thing that pisses me off is you making assumptions and then you telling me that I can't take a joke. I can take a joke just fine, thank you. I don't need running commentary on my posts. So kindly go fuck yourself.

[/notjokingthistime]

GonzoTheGreat
07-09-2010, 10:33 AM
Edited cause I decided not to post this right after I'd done so. Which shows that timing is occasionally important.

Matoyak
07-09-2010, 11:46 AM
stuffI must say...that was uncalled for.
Maybe that could be taken care of via PM and the thread might be able to return to civility, yes?

JSUCamel
07-09-2010, 11:49 AM
I must say...that was uncalled for.
Maybe that could be taken care of via PM and the thread might be able to return to civility, yes?

I must say... it's none of your business. Butt out.

Matoyak
07-09-2010, 11:57 AM
I must say... it's none of your business. Butt out.As it is being posted in a public forum, in a thread that was created by me to discuss a specific thing, I'd say that by posting such a message in said thread, you opened it up for discussion. Hence the suggestion that you do it in PMs so that we don't have to deal with your personal issues with another user. Using PMs will keep the matter private, and thus keep people from butting in. As it is, this isn't private and thus comments on it are going to happen. I feel it was uncalled for, if you don't like me saying that, take it into PMs and don't foul up the thread with it.

GonzoTheGreat
07-09-2010, 12:10 PM
Butt out.I don't think J. Lo would work. In Wonder Woman's case, it is not the butt which is supposed to be miraculous.

JSUCamel
07-09-2010, 01:01 PM
I don't think J. Lo would work. In Wonder Woman's case, it is not the butt which is supposed to be miraculous.

The bust, maybe?

GonzoTheGreat
07-09-2010, 01:10 PM
The bust, maybe?Does she have one?

Firseal
07-09-2010, 04:21 PM
How about I put up a sign that says "Fuck off"? Every time I write something these days, you seem to think I'm pissed off and in a rage about something. In fact, the only thing that pisses me off is you making assumptions and then you telling me that I can't take a joke. I can take a joke just fine, thank you. I don't need running commentary on my posts. So kindly go fuck yourself.

[/notjokingthistime]

Jemaclus? Chill, dear. Taking one's aggressions out on humans is only fun / socially acceptable in certain situations. This is why man invented video games.

Also, you are in a losing battle if you say that more skin is better. It really isn't, and if that is the boiled down form of your argument (and really, once the mythic 'traditional' crap is out of the way, it really is) is, 'She's covered up more of her body and now she's not sexy and somehow as someone who only appreciated her in a way of sheerly aestetic way', I am very much afraid you've been hitting the punchy work grind / illicit substances a little too hard.

JSUCamel
07-09-2010, 04:27 PM
Also, you are in a losing battle if you say that more skin is better. It really isn't, and if that is the boiled down form of your argument (and really, once the mythic 'traditional' crap is out of the way, it really is) is, 'She's covered up more of her body and now she's not sexy and somehow as someone who only appreciated her in a way of sheerly aestetic way', I am very much afraid you've been hitting the punchy work grind / illicit substances a little too hard.

I most certainly am not saying that more skin is better. I'm saying that the "new" look doesn't look like Wonder Woman. You can still look like Wonder Woman and not have skimpy clothing, but that new design is not it.

GonzoTheGreat
07-09-2010, 04:31 PM
You can still look like Wonder Woman and not have skimpy clothing, but that new design is not it.I can't.
Of course, I can't look like Wonder Woman with skimpy clothing either, but that's beside the point.

Weird Harold
07-09-2010, 06:21 PM
Also, you are in a losing battle if you say that more skin is better. It really isn't, and if that is the boiled down form of your argument (and really, once the mythic 'traditional' crap is out of the way, it really is)

From the very beginning, Wonder Woman has been "Star spangled, red, white, blue and gold:

http://www.asitecalledfred.com/comics101/images/2004/apr28/wonderwoman.jpg
http://www.asitecalledfred.com/comics101/images/2004/apr28/wonderwoman.jpg

It doesn't really matter if it's the orginal mid-thigh skirt, the later culotte style shorts, or the "panti-girdle" shorts of the 50's and 60's, it's the colors that diffrentiate Wonder Woman from other super-heroines.


DC tried this kind of revision to Wonder Woman in the 60's that lasted about 12-18 issues, maybe a few more: (ETA: it was 25 issues before they brought back the original costume and colors.)

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wonder-woman-6.jpg
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wonder-woman-6.jpg

Wonder Woman became a faded clone of Emma Peale until Linda Carter revived the Red, White, Blue, and Gold costume

Firseal
07-09-2010, 11:35 PM
You know, if you step away from your preconceptions for a second... She does look like Wonder Woman. She wears the red and blue primary colors, as per the old outfit. She's got gold highlights, just like the old outfits, with white stars in a prominent location (shoulders, rather than groin, which, ironically, is more like a proper flag - referencing super outfit in my mind, as a flag with the blue field and stars at the bottom is... distress, right?)

Moreover, I note that color locales being shifted somewhat, and adding a fifth shade to her outfit (that's why people complaining. The blue of the pants [leggings, really, now that I look closely] is too dark!) is the main difference. The center of gravity of the outfit (front torso and face) which is generally the most identifyable area is very little changed. The changes are much less severe than the rabid internet folk are claiming, and looking at her portrait region, she looks like Wonder Woman who picked up a short jacket.

Doesn't look like Wonder Woman. Bah.

You say it might be about the boots, but really. Aside from having dark blue leggings rather than red shiney long boots, neither really looks all that practical. Red is shiny, and all, but it really does her no real favors, and doesn't look 'mythic' so much as 'nineteen twenties pulp drawn halfway decent'. The boots were always ridicious, just like the Arnold / Conan picture on the front page looks ridicious. Leggings are no worse. Besides, there are other things I see when I look at the new outfit, and the 'fixed' version that make me worry.

I think it is the hair that most points out what I find wrong with the 'new image versus fixed image'. Some folks have the old costume so firmly set in their mind that they have to, even when they are pretending to comprimise, have to change the lady's hairstyle back to something else.

This isn't about thinking the new costume doesn't look mythic. This isn't about her not looking like Wonder Woman, because she does. This is about people reacting to a large change rather than a small one the way most people generally react to large changes. Decrying it, then trying to find rationales about it afterwards. Because otherwise, why would every single detail on the 'fixed' version be as close as the art style allows to the traditional outfit? The artist doesn't want something different, and that suggestion is... as Gilshalos points out... anamathea to folks who are clinging to their memories.

Batman has had hundreds of costume alterations, some small, some large, over the years. Superman less so, but others? Spiderman, every single member of the X-Men, Green Lantern, every superhero has had dozens of costume alterations, and you don't see internet backdraft every time it happens. (Well, okay, you sorta do, but that can make my point too. There are always a minority that scream this isn't the character, even when they don't care who the character is, as several in this thread have mentioned)Even uniforms in every single real world profession change over time. But Wonder Woman, apparently, got her costume iconized so much that she can't change out of bloomers and a push-up corset without some sections of the comminuty screaming bloody murder.

Stop fussing, and take a long look without, you know, the connection to a '60s (70s? Who cares?) TV program. (I mean, my god, again, compare Adam West's Batman costume to... any respectable Batman costume. Ever.) This new outfit looks as much like her as anything else. The rest is people screaming because god forbid anyone want to wear something they haven't worn before.

Weird Harold
07-10-2010, 02:09 AM
This isn't about thinking the new costume doesn't look mythic. This isn't about her not looking like Wonder Woman, because she does.

Mythic is the key word -- Wonder Woman is a Mythological Being and shouldn't look like a 21st century update Of Emma Peale.

DC has tried to "improve" Wonder Woman with a "more modern look" at least twice and both times, the franchise has crashed and burned.

The costume change is merely a symptom of deeper problems with the Wonder Woman series, and that is that DC didn't learn anything from it's 1985/6 restructuring of their entire superhero universe to establish solid origins and canon backstories for most of their superhero lines.

The change in origin is far more damaging to who Wonder Woman has been for the last 69 years than the costume change -- and more damaging to the whole DC Superhero universe as a whole.

yks 6nnetu hing
07-10-2010, 06:05 AM
I was joking, hence the "sarcasm" pic. Thanks for overreacting though, that helps your point humongously.

september/october last year = not exactly recent.

Also, if you post, you obviously want a discourse on the topic. Otherwise you wouldn't post on that topic. By that particular post you obviously wanted a discourse on the mighty power of the f-word. It is indeed mighty. The bestest word in the English language. Only responsible adults who have earned the right can use it, it's like an A-bomb: flattens the opponent for decades.

But whatever, I've put you on ignore now so I don't insult your surperior posting skills by reading what you write :eek:

to everyone else: sorry for agitating Cammy and getting you in the crossfire. I did not expect this result.

GonzoTheGreat
07-10-2010, 08:06 AM
Mythic is the key word -- Wonder Woman is a Mythological Being and shouldn't look like a 21st century update Of Emma Peale.Are you referring to Emma Peel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Peel), and if not, who is it that you're talking about? If you are, why do you consistently misspell her name in this way? It does not seem logical at all.

Weird Harold
07-10-2010, 01:56 PM
Are you referring to Emma Peel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Peel), and if not, who is it that you're talking about? If you are, why do you consistently misspell her name in this way? It does not seem logical at all.
Either Wikipedia or my fingers have indulged in revisionist spelling for Dianna Rigg's character on The Avengers.

Firseal
07-11-2010, 03:42 AM
Either Wikipedia or my fingers have indulged in revisionist spelling for Dianna Rigg's character on The Avengers.

Obviously someone is tampering with a backstory here.

GonzoTheGreat
07-11-2010, 04:59 AM
Either Wikipedia or my fingers have indulged in revisionist spelling for Dianna Rigg's character on The Avengers.It's a conspiracy: the BBC is also in on it (http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/rachael_stirling.shtml). As is IMDB.com (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001671/), apparently.

Oatman
07-11-2010, 10:05 AM
~ducks behind belafire proof shield and waits for the storm~

I don't recall Bela having fire, but it certainly sounds dangerous enough to want a shield designed to protect against it.

Ivhon
07-11-2010, 10:34 AM
I don't recall Bela having fire, but it certainly sounds dangerous enough to want a shield designed to protect against it.

This would be an apt time for streetcorner goats to poop out of the woodworks and start prophecying Tarmule Gai'don and the End of Hays and whatnot.

Assuming said goats have not been purged. Or turned their backs on their youthful ideals for the comfort of material posessions.

Uno
07-15-2010, 03:30 AM
This would be an apt time for streetcorner goats to poop out of the woodworks and start prophecying Tarmule Gai'don and the End of Hays and whatnot.

Assuming said goats have not been purged. Or turned their backs on their youthful ideals for the comfort of material posessions.

The goats in question are low on liquor this evening and thus in no condition to prophesy. They'll pick up some gin and vermouth in the next day or two, and then we'll see. They and their spouses are trying to quit smoking, so their outlook on life is bleak at present, much like that of most prophets through the ages.

Ivhon
07-15-2010, 07:20 AM
The goats in question are low on liquor this evening and thus in no condition to prophesy. They'll pick up some gin and vermouth in the next day or two, and then we'll see. They and their spouses are trying to quit smoking, so their outlook on life is bleak at present, much like that of most prophets through the ages.

Good luck with the no smoking. Partners are good help.

GonzoTheGreat
07-15-2010, 07:22 AM
I prophecy that it is going to be tough.
Knowing that in advance will cheer you up no end, I expect.

Uno
07-17-2010, 03:44 AM
Good luck with the no smoking. Partners are good help.

HA! What we've got is two cranky people instead of one. And this has been a bad day for me. Sorrowful news from home, and I can't deal with the stress the way I'm accustomed.

Sei'taer
07-18-2010, 08:11 PM
HA! What we've got is two cranky people instead of one. And this has been a bad day for me. Sorrowful news from home, and I can't deal with the stress the way I'm accustomed.

Someday me and Uno will get our shit together and quit. Maybe we should move in together so we can beat the shit out of each other for a couple of weeks until we get the nicotine out of our systems...

Hey, it beats being shitty to your spouse, right?

Uno
07-19-2010, 02:25 AM
Someday me and Uno will get our shit together and quit. Maybe we should move in together so we can beat the shit out of each other for a couple of weeks until we get the nicotine out of our systems...

Hey, it beats being shitty to your spouse, right?

Actually, I'm doing pretty well. Haven't had a smoke in almost two weeks now. I had some pretty severe cravings last weekend, but luckily Frenzy was there to talk me out of it.