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JSUCamel
07-01-2010, 11:40 PM
http://io9.com/5577804/a-drug-for-pregnant-women-that-prevents-lesbian-daughters

A New York doctor named Maria New has been advising pregnant women to take a steroid called dexamethasone to prevent homosexuality and "masculine behavior" in their daughters. How did she get away with this form of anti-gay genetic engineering?

New is an endocrinologist who studies, among other things, a condition called congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). It's caused by overexposure to male hormones in the womb, and it can result in developmental abnormalities that often mean, as Time magazine puts it, "a lifetime of taking powerful steroid medications to compensate for faulty adrenal glands." It can also cause girls to be born with ambiguous genitalia. (They have large clitorises that appear penis-like, though they also have perfectly ordinary vaginal openings and wombs.)

A drug for pregnant women that prevents lesbian daughters Working with several collaborators, including Columbia psychologist Heino F. L. Meyter-Bahlburg, New has written a series of scientific papers suggesting a strong connection between CAH and lesbianism. CAH, they write, is also associated with a disinterest in mothering, as well as "masculine behavior" in girls.

Enter dexamethasone, dex for short. It's a steroid that New and some of her colleagues believe can prevent some of the outward signs of CAH in girls - specifically, there is a small amount of evidence that it can prevent ambiguous genitals.


...read the rest in the link. W. T. F.

bowlwoman
07-02-2010, 01:42 AM
Yeah, I saw this yesterday. It was a definite WTF moment.

I think my favorite commentary on the subject is here (http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/06/29/doctor-treating-pregnant-women-with-experimental-drug-to-prevent-lesbianism) from Dan Savage:

So no more Elena Kagans, no more Donna Shalalas, no more Martina Navratilovas, no more k.d. langs, no more Constance McMillens—because all women must grow up to suck dick, crank out babies, and do women's work. And the existence of adult women who are not interested in "becoming someone's wife" and "making babies" constitutes a medical emergency that requires us to treat women who are currently pregnant with a dangerous experimental hormone. Otherwise their daughters might grow up to, um, be nominated to sit on the Supreme Court, serve as cabinet secretaries, take 18 Grand Slam singles titles, win Grammies, and take their girlfriends to prom.

And we can't have that.

I really can't say it better myself, so I won't even try.

I've seen some studies out there that show an increased prevalence of PCOS in lesbians and hypothesize that higher testosterone or androgens might contribute toward a woman's sexual orientation. (FYI, PCOS is an insulin resistance issue, a cousin to diabetes, which increases testosterone and estrogen and lowers progesterone in a woman's body. It's the #1 cause of infertility, and estimates show that upwards of 10% of the U.S. population has it.) HOWEVER, the researchers are very quick to point out that they aren't saying that PCOS or higher testosterone causes women to be lesbians. This excerpt was taken from a 2003 publication that I found on one of my PCOS message boards (yes, I have the dreaded syndrome), but I don't have a direct link to the article or abstract. If anyone wants the article in full, I can copy it from the PCOS boards and send it to you.

Dr. Agrawal said: "We observed a significantly higher prevalence of PCO/PCOS in lesbian compared with heterosexual women. Our initial results are also suggestive of a significantly greater hyperandrogenism in lesbian compared with heterosexual women.

The blood samples revealed that hormones such as testosterone, androstenedione, free testosterone index and luteinizing hormone (LH) were significantly higher, and sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG)[3] was significantly lower in lesbian women compared with heterosexual women. Dr. Agrawal said: "When we compared lesbian and heterosexual women with PCOS, lesbian women had significantly higher androgens and lower SHBG compared with heterosexual women. We found a similar result in women with PCO only, but in lesbian and heterosexual women with normal ovaries, the androgens and SHBG levels were similar."

She continued: "Our research neither suggests nor indicates that PCO/PCOS causes lesbianism, only that PCO/PCOS is more prevalent in lesbian women. We do, however, hypothesize that hyperandrogenism, which is associated with PCOS, may be one of the factors contributing to the sexual orientation of women."

However, the researchers are quick to dismiss any idea that if this was the case, then treatments for PCOS could also be seen as a "cure" for lesbianism. Dr. Agrawal said: "In 1973 the decision to remove homosexuality from the list of mental disorders was made and since then the focus has shifted from the 'cure' of homosexuality to the physical and psychological health concerns of these individuals. We do not view lesbianism as a disease that is in need of a 'cure'. The only aspects of health care we offer these women are reproductive health and assisted reproduction."

GonzoTheGreat
07-02-2010, 05:12 AM
Be fair, what's the worst that could happen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylstilbestrol)?

Zanguini
07-02-2010, 09:27 AM
Be fair, what's the worst that could happen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylstilbestrol)?

The world is taken over by Martha Stewart clones.

Basel Gill
07-02-2010, 09:45 AM
Wow. :eek:

Next up, widespread genetic engineering.

Davian93
07-02-2010, 09:56 AM
Wow. :eek:

Next up, widespread genetic engineering.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/Images/khan-star-trek-2.jpg

Approves

http://www.mikecs.net/prodigeek/images/GeekOutMoment_12124/kirk_screams_khan.jpg

Does Not Approve

Basel Gill
07-02-2010, 10:11 AM
Love it.

KHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN!

Brita
07-02-2010, 12:07 PM
So no more Elena Kagans, no more Donna Shalalas, no more Martina Navratilovas, no more k.d. langs, no more Constance McMillens—because all women must grow up to suck dick, crank out babies, and do women's work. And the existence of adult women who are not interested in "becoming someone's wife" and "making babies" constitutes a medical emergency that requires us to treat women who are currently pregnant with a dangerous experimental hormone. Otherwise their daughters might grow up to, um, be nominated to sit on the Supreme Court, serve as cabinet secretaries, take 18 Grand Slam singles titles, win Grammies, and take their girlfriends to prom.

And we can't have that.

Meh. This seems to imply that heterosexual woman could not accomplish these same things, or even that if these women were heterosexual they would not have accomplished these things. We know that is not true. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with one's abilities, talents, or ambition. And that is not the issue here.

The issue is this:

The idea that Lesbianism "constitutes a medical emergency that requires us to treat women who are currently pregnant with a dangerous experimental hormone."

Any treatment is used after weighing the risk vs. benefit. Most (I hope) would agree that being a lesbian is not a risk at all, and thus no treatment could ever be ethically used, because any harm would outweigh a non-existent, imaginary risk.

Ivhon
07-02-2010, 12:40 PM
Meh. This seems to imply that heterosexual woman could not accomplish these same things, or even that if these women were heterosexual they would not have accomplished these things. We know that is not true. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with one's abilities, talents, or ambition. And that is not the issue here.

The issue is this:

The idea that Lesbianism "constitutes a medical emergency that requires us to treat women who are currently pregnant with a dangerous experimental hormone."

Any treatment is used after weighing the risk vs. benefit. Most (I hope) would agree that being a lesbian is not a risk at all, and thus no treatment could ever be ethically used, because any harm would outweigh a non-existent, imaginary risk.

God hates lesbians.

Brita
07-02-2010, 01:03 PM
God hates lesbians.

Oh, right- I forgot about that. A round of steroids for everyone then, just in case...

Bane Darkwulf
07-02-2010, 01:54 PM
God hates lesbians.

Yeah, but alot of men love the idea.

Basel Gill
07-02-2010, 02:20 PM
Yeah, but alot of men love the idea.

Not that I have an opinion, but um...yeah.

GonzoTheGreat
07-02-2010, 04:27 PM
Yeah, but alot of men love the idea.Does that mean that the Devil created the alot? If not, it would make one wonder where it got its lesbophilia.

nameless
07-02-2010, 05:18 PM
There is some evidence linking perinatal environment to sexual orientation but as far as I'm aware none of the studies claiming to be able to link a specific hormone in the mother's bloodstream to a specific sexual behavior once the child grows up have ever been reproduced. I'm extremely suspicious of the supposed link between CAH and "masculine behavior." What qualifies as masculine? Playing with toy trucks instead of Barbies? Trying out for basketball instead of the cheerleading squad? Demanding the right to vote?

Nazbaque
07-02-2010, 05:42 PM
Yeah, but alot of men love the idea.
Which has always baffled me. Why does the thought "This woman does not want a dick inside herself" make some men horny? Why? And I'm also troubled by the question: "How do these men feel about rape?"

Davian93
07-02-2010, 05:46 PM
Meh. This seems to imply that heterosexual woman could not accomplish these same things, or even that if these women were heterosexual they would not have accomplished these things. We know that is not true. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with one's abilities, talents, or ambition. And that is not the issue here.

The issue is this:

The idea that Lesbianism "constitutes a medical emergency that requires us to treat women who are currently pregnant with a dangerous experimental hormone."

Any treatment is used after weighing the risk vs. benefit. Most (I hope) would agree that being a lesbian is not a risk at all, and thus no treatment could ever be ethically used, because any harm would outweigh a non-existent, imaginary risk.

They're too busy making dinner and having babies and walking around barefoot I suppose.

DahLliA
07-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Which has always baffled me. Why does the thought "This woman does not want a dick inside herself" make some men horny? Why? And I'm also troubled by the question: "How do these men feel about rape?"

I could link you quite a bit of evidence to why men like some girl-on-girl action. but to keep it SFW I wont;)

Sinistrum
07-02-2010, 06:53 PM
This is terrible news...for the porno industry. :p

Firseal
07-02-2010, 09:33 PM
Yeah, but alot of men love the idea.

So, if I get this and my crazy Christian mail right...

"God hates Lesbians
But Jesus loves them."

Nazibaque, I think it is just the idea of two women, being affectionate to each other, coupled with the eternal hope of some men, some good, some less so, to think, "My god, if only I can get them to at least not totally reject me."

I do not condemn or condone, but for all intents and purposes the heterosexual male lusting after the thought of a lesbian couple is much the same as them dreaming of a menage'trois (which I just mispelled) with the added ingredient of untouchability.

Makes about as much sense as the rest of the human mating baggage.

Firseal
07-02-2010, 09:50 PM
You know, interesting question to screw up people advocating for this.

If this drug makes any female embyro it is exposed to more feminine, and we are marketing it to the same old fashioned crowd (who, among other things, often don't want to get an ultrasound and know the gender of the child) what happens when a mother uses it, and turns out she was having a boy?

I mean, seriously. This is ridiculous to start with, but as a talking point, if this drug is to assure your girls don't have naughty thoughts about other girls, and you give it to a boy...

Wow. I mean, funny, but man would that screw with the heads of the nitwits who advocate this kinda eugenics.

Nazbaque
07-02-2010, 10:01 PM
I could link you quite a bit of evidence to why men like some girl-on-girl action. but to keep it SFW I wont;)
Oh I don't need any evidence. I know it's true. I just don't understand it.

GonzoTheGreat
07-03-2010, 05:10 AM
If this drug makes any female embyro it is exposed to more feminine, and we are marketing it to the same old fashioned crowd (who, among other things, often don't want to get an ultrasound and know the gender of the child) what happens when a mother uses it, and turns out she was having a boy?God would undoubtedly prevent that from ever happening. If he exists, of course. So this might be a fool proof test for His existence. Well done, no other philosopher (not even Britney) has managed to come up with such a good test, yet.

DahLliA
07-03-2010, 01:24 PM
Oh I don't need any evidence. I know it's true. I just don't understand it.

we might be talking about slightly different things, but as far as lesbian porn and such is concerned. I simply find females better to look at so why not more than one :p

if you're talking about people with a weird fetish who only get attracted to women they know are lesbian I'm with you though