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Gilshalos Sedai
06-19-2008, 09:46 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23472518/

Black pups face doggie discrimination

Dark-coated pooches tend to linger in shelters the longest. Big, black dogs are often the last to be adopted from animal shelters — a phenomenon known in pet rescue circles as "black dog syndrome."

By Melissa Dahl
Health writer
MSNBC
updated 7:34 a.m. CT, Wed., March. 5, 2008

It's not like Pamela Gregg was a stranger to helping out the underdog. She thought she knew what kinds of pooches linger the longest in animal shelters: Older dogs, abused dogs, sick or injured dogs — dogs like George Bailey, the hound mix she'd rescued after he'd been struck by a car.

But black dogs? While searching for a companion for George Bailey, Gregg was shocked to see a banner on an Ohio animal shelter's Web site that detailed how tough it is for big dogs with black coats to find homes.

"It said something like, 'We know that you people prefer colors, but we've got wonderful black dogs here, won't you please consider them?'" recalls Gregg, who's 49 and lives in Xenia, Ohio. "I was shocked, because I think that black dogs are beautiful — and I couldn't believe people would not get a dog based on its color."

To the uninitiated, the idea seems so strange — doggie discrimination? But among those in animal rescue circles, the phenomenon is commonplace enough to have earned its own name: "black dog syndrome."

"There's not a lot of that type of statistics on many aspects of sheltering," says Kim Intino, the director of animal sheltering issues for the Humane Society of the United States. "But I think that every person that has worked in a shelter can attest that in shelters animals with black coats can be somewhat harder to adopt out — or to even get noticed."

Even after a year had passed at a Los Angeles animal shelter, no one had noticed Estelle. Except, of course, for the staff; they fawned over the big black dog and her gentle demeanor. They started letting Estelle roam the office during the day, which let one couple see her in action — outside her cage and calmly interacting with people. They fell for her, and took her home.

But not every black dog is lucky enough to get that kind of special attention, says Madeline Bernstein, the president of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Los Angeles.

"They're the hardest to adopt out, they're in the shelters the longest and therefore, they're most likely to be euthanized if nothing happens," Bernstein says. (Breeders don't tend to face this problem at the level that shelters do, simply because they have fewer animals to deal with than a city shelter that takes strays in every day.)

Bernstein has plenty of theories about why people might not want black dogs in animal shelters. It's mostly an unconscious thing, she says, which may explain why black cats have the same problems finding a home. People who are aware of superstitions about black cats (don't let them cross your path!) may also be unconsciously harboring superstitions about black dogs.

In British folklore, such as stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Sir Walter Scott, the black dog is a creepy, spectral figure that haunts cemeteries and is an omen of death. (Non-lit geeks who've never heard of those stories have at least seen "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," in which a big black dog called the Grim stalks Harry.) Another Englishman, Winston Churchill, battled serious bouts of depression which he called "the black dog."

But some speculate that black dogs just don't have the right look to catch the eye of potential adopters.

"Black dogs might appear older; even when they're young, they have bits of facial hair that may be white or gray," Bernstein says. And the ignored breeds are often those who simply look a little big and scary, and whose bad reputations may have preceded them, such as Rottweiler, Doberman pinscher and pit bull mixes.

Bernstein says some people turn in their black dogs to the shelters because they've gotten new furniture and don't like the dark fur their pet sheds.

Too hard to see
But it may be the simplest reason that's costing these dogs a good home — their black coats can make them invisible in poorly lit kennels. (Same problem happens with amateur photos on shelters' Web sites, which is how many people find the dog they intend to adopt.)

"Sometimes if a potential adopter sees a whole row of black dogs, they think, 'Maybe they're not being adopted for a good reason. Maybe there's something wrong with these dogs,'" Bernstein says.

So volunteers at some shelters put extra energy into getting their black dogs noticed. They place brightly colored, eye-catching blankets and toys in their kennels. At Bernstein's shelters, they tie pink ribbons around the necks of the girls, and fasten big bow ties around the necks of the boys.

"In our kennels, the black dogs are all decked out," Bernstein says.

One shelter in Kettering, Ohio, the Society for the Improvement of Conditions for Stray Animals even ran a special discount on black dogs in February, slashing adoption fees in half after executive director Rudy Bahr realized that out of his shelters' 42 dogs, 28 of them were big and black. Bahr instructs his employees in the same sort of tactics Bernstein's shelters take to attract attention to black dogs, like tying bandannas around their necks and taking the dogs to a well-lit area outside to have their photo taken for their Web site.

It was that kind of photo on the shelter's site that attracted Gregg's attention as she continued her search for a companion for George Bailey. "I was trolling through their pictures and there she was," Gregg says. "She was a hound mix like George Bailey, but Molly is sleek, shiny black. As soon as I saw her I completely fell in love. I couldn't get in my car fast enough."

Molly and Bailey turned out to be a perfect match, and if Gregg someday rescues another dog, she says she'll definitely go for a big black dog.

"If and when I get another dog, I will probably deliberately look for another black dog, only because I've learned of black dog syndrome," Gregg says. "Bring 'em my way, because I love 'em."

© 2008 MSNBC Interactive

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I know that there are bigger problems in the world, but are people REALLY so prejudiced?

I have two black dogs. Hell, the yellow lab has black skin under her fur. I don't get why someone would pick the yellow over the black dogs.

Davian93
06-19-2008, 09:49 AM
Yeah...this is old news. I've seen the same article for years now...just slightly rewritten. Must be a slow news day or something. Its the same reason that you can't have a rottweiler in certain apartments but you can still have a mastiff (one is black and scary, the other brown and cuddly). They are both the same family of dogs but one is stereotyped to be bad...Very stupid. People are dumb for the most part, what can I say.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-19-2008, 10:00 AM
Well, I haven't seen this article before, nor had I known why those PetSmart shelter dogs were mostly dark colored.

And I knew people gave up dogs because they didn't match the furniture, but I still find that insane.

Davian93
06-19-2008, 10:03 AM
Well, I haven't seen this article before, nor had I known why those PetSmart shelter dogs were mostly dark colored.

And I knew people gave up dogs because they didn't match the furniture, but I still find that insane.

That's sick...I hate when people get dogs because "Aren't puppies cute?!?!" or my kid should have a dog etc etc. Dogs are kids and they should be a lifetime committment. You can't just toss them out because you get a new couch or you didn't realizing housebreaking took work or that you have to brush them, walk them, feed them, pay medical bills, etc etc etc.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-19-2008, 10:09 AM
The black drifts of dog hair are irritating, but I wouldn't trade my two girls for anything. Besides, the yellow-white dog's fur clings more.

Let's not even discuss my long-haired cat's shedding.

Brita
06-19-2008, 10:24 AM
That's sick...I hate when people get dogs because "Aren't puppies cute?!?!" or my kid should have a dog etc etc. Dogs are kids and they should be a lifetime committment. You can't just toss them out because you get a new couch or you didn't realizing housebreaking took work or that you have to brush them, walk them, feed them, pay medical bills, etc etc etc.

Yep, my neighbours got two little puppies shortly after we got our dog, then got rid of one because it was too much work, and eventually got rid of the second for the same reason.

Then a year later they spent hundreds on a beautiful Bull Mastiff- then spent hundreds on a shock collar to keep her in the yard. Then never replaced the battery in the collar, and are now getting rid of her because she is too much work.

They just didn't spend the time it took to train her properly. It takes effort but pays off bigtime in the long run. I feel bad for the kids, to get attached to these dogs and then have them discarded like this. At least they actually find homes, and don't just drop them off at the local pound.

Davian93
06-19-2008, 10:27 AM
Yeah...I feel bad for the dogs...not the kids. At least the kids still have a home. The dogs didn't ask for that...all they wanted was a nice place to live and loving parents. Of which they ended up with neither. I can't stand when people get dogs for the wrong reasons and then abuse them like that. Training is not hard. Its probably easier and faster to housebreak a dog than to potty train a kid but people don't do it. Or they don't exercise them or blah blah blah.

~this is a touchy subject for me...I hate seeing animals hurt for no reason~

Brita
06-19-2008, 10:35 AM
I'm just hoping that the homes they went to will treat them better and give them the attention and love they need. To be quite honest- I felt bad for the dogs while they were at my neighbours- they were basically ignored, totally starved for attention. I'm hoping they are better off now.

cottillion
06-19-2008, 03:21 PM
This just seems wierd to me. It depends on the type of dog but I like the black fur. Two of the best dogs I've ever had were chocolate labs.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-19-2008, 03:23 PM
Chocolates get sprung, just not black dogs. And probably the most common black dog on the planet is a Labrador.

Sinistrum
06-19-2008, 03:36 PM
Yanno there is an easy solution to this problem. Just encourage goth kids to adopt more dogs. :p

Terez
06-19-2008, 03:45 PM
Probably be better off killing the dogs...

Anaiya Sedai
06-19-2008, 08:06 PM
hey what's wrong with goth kids?

Jays parents bought a female lab puppy a couple of years ago, named Tikka, because they wanted to start breeding. a bit later they got a male as well (Beano). I was sceptical from the very beginning because I didn't really see it as a good enough reason to get dogs, and they never had enough time to actually look after them or take them out for walks or anything - they had a yard where the dogs would spend most of their time, and do everything there - run, play, fight, breeding, poo, everything. I felt so sorry for them, they were beautiful and lovely dogs, but they pretty much used to live in their own poo.
then Tikka got pregnant, but she was a little too young. she had 13 puppies, of which she killed a couple at birth (I think she ate one and left the head on the sofa..), a couple died, and she rejected the remaining 9. they had to be hand reared, and most of them died in the first 2 weeks. after all that, the parents got divorced, and his mum couldn't cope looking after the 2 remaining kids that still lived at home, the 4 rabbits, the cat, the 3 guinnea pigs and the 2 dogs + 2 puppies that survived. so first, they sold the puppies, then they gave Tikka away, because apparently his mum couldn't "forgive her for what she did to the puppies", and after a while she sold Beano so she could buy a laptop.
I have never been so much in disagreement with anything anyone I knew did. I felt so sad for the dogs, the way they were treated, whilst they were there, the way they were treated when they were given away.. and jays poor little brother who was 6 and terribly attached to both the dogs, because he didn't have any other friends...
poor dogs.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-20-2008, 08:08 AM
And poor kid. (A laptop, what a lovely reason to get rid of a living thing.)


My cousin got a large dog shortly after getting married. (The dog is about the same age as my oldest dog, 9, IIRC.) She used the excuse of her youngest daughter's growing allergies to give away this dog. (I couldn't take her because my cousin isn't very kind to dogs and the animal showed signs of abuse and I already have one of those and because I have THREE dogs already.)

We did take her cat, though, which she gave away with similar excuses. (The cat also acted gun shy at first, not like a cat getting used to new dogs and new surroundings, but more like an abused animal.)

I say they were excuses because she turned around and bought 3 (THREE!) chihauhas.

I don't really talk to my cousin anymore, for this and various other reasons.

Terez
06-20-2008, 08:16 AM
hey what's wrong with goth kids?
Dunno about where you're from, but where I'm from, they have a tendency stay fu(ked up all the time. I've had a few good friends that were goth, but they were always the cream of the crop, and they were always intermittently surrounded by masses of the fu(kup goths. :)

Dogs are gross though. Adopt kitties! :D

Davian93
06-20-2008, 08:18 AM
Dav's sad just from reading both emails...

To Gil: good for you for rescuing a cat and 1 of your dogs...:)

Anaiya Sedai
06-20-2008, 08:39 AM
/me used to be a fu(ked up goth....

Gilshalos Sedai
06-20-2008, 09:00 AM
Dav: All of them are rescues. Kira, the oldest, was a leftover from a breeding kennel. Her mother's owner couldn't find a good home for such a dominant dog. (And believe me, if I or Bryan were weaker people, that dog would RULE this house, even the cats step lightly around her.) Missy (the abused dog) was a PetCo rescue by my mother-in-law who subsequently gave her to Bryan who gave her to me (it takes a lot more time to rehab an abused dog than a woman with two young children has). Missy is as sane as she is because I took the time to help her and Kira decided she needed a daughter. Strider (the cat) wandered into my boss's garage one day and wouldn't leave. My boss borrowed a live trap from the ASPCA and brought him to us. Arya (the yellow lab) was a product of a puppy mill and an unwanted special order. Basically, a guy walked into the puppy store, special requested a female yellow lab adjusted for hunting (meaning the dew claws were removed). When Arya arrived, he took one look at her and lied, "That's not what I wanted, I wanted a boy." The proprietor of the puppy store was then stuck with a 3 month old dog who was rapidly losing her marketability. Then we came along. She was the only dog we paid to rescue. The last one was Tiger, my cousin's cat who was abused and tormented by my cousin's daughter. On the rare occasion they visit, the cat WILL NOT go near that child. The child doesn't remember tormenting the cat, but since he'll go near my cousin, I can only guess that the cat remembers full well.

And I think we've semi-adopted my youngest sister's Pug who's behavior problems are getting better under our training and because we insisted he get fixed.


And Terez, dogs are only gross if you neglect them. Mine don't smell bad, they are actually cleaner than the cats, since they ask to go outside if their tummies are upset instead of barfing on the furniture. And they don't poop in the house and, except for my sister's male dog before he got snipped, have never peed on the wall. (They both stood up to pee once right after we moved in. Apparently the cat box area smelled TOO clean to them. And no, it was fresh litter, it gets changed twice a week.) Also, the dogs don't eat my indoor plants. And then throw them up on the kitchen table.

The dogs just leave their toys all over the floor. Guess which I'd prefer to clean up? ;)


Side note: My cousin's daughter no longer abuses animals, thankfully. Kira set her straight when she was 5 and attempted to shove a 1/4" garden dowel up Kira's rear end. (It was one of those cases where neither myself nor her mother could move fast enough -- first time I've ever moved in slow motion.) Kira spun around and grabbed the child's arm with her mouth. She was very careful NOT to break the skin, however; she was just giving a gentle correction to a puppy as far as she was concerned. At first, her parents were upset and I had to unfairly punish Kira -- she got sent outside. But from that day forward, that little girl has NEVER been cruel to an animal again. Her mom is even thankful it happened, in hindsight, given how small chihauhas are. That and the whole serial killer thing. ;) Tiger's still afraid of her, however.

Ivhon
06-20-2008, 09:05 AM
The black dog syndrome really only happens in places like West Virginia :P

Our kitties just happenned to match our furniture, carpet and wall treatment...go figure

I love black-coated animals. My sister had an adorable black lab that was one of the most beautiful (and definitely the most stupid) animals Ive ever seen. Love black cats too.

/agree that animals are a responsibility just this side of children - but considering the attitudes so many folks have toward their children, is it any wonder they treat animals like disposable VCRs?

Davian93
06-20-2008, 09:09 AM
****The dogs just leave their toys all over the floor. Guess which I'd prefer to clean up?****

Yeah...my Scottie does the same thing. He has this big basket of toys in the living room and he'll literally pull every single one out and then just pick one. If I put them away he slowly just pulls them out one by one if I'm not looking. He's such a dork about it.

****She was very careful NOT to break the skin, however; she was just giving a gentle correction to a puppy as far as she was concerned. ****

LOL...cool. I love big dogs...I miss my Rottie.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-20-2008, 09:21 AM
Yeah...my Scottie does the same thing. He has this big basket of toys in the living room and he'll literally pull every single one out and then just pick one. If I put them away he slowly just pulls them out one by one if I'm not looking. He's such a dork about it.

The yellow will do that. The two black dogs just knock the thing on its side and root around.


LOL...cool. I love big dogs...I miss my Rottie.

Yeah, big bossy, dominant dogs are fun. As long as they're taught to be respectful of humans. But Kira was an experienced doggy mom by that time. She'd reared three adopted pups. As far as she was concerned, my niece was just another pup, though one that did outrank her on the dominance scale.

Davian93
06-20-2008, 09:27 AM
Yeah, big bossy, dominant dogs are fun. As long as they're taught to be respectful of humans.

Very true...my rottie was very stubborn...she turned into a big baby after a bit though. It helped that the Scottie turned out to be the Alpha between the two of them. It was always fun to watch a 25-30lb dog take a bone from a 120 lb dog with no complaints. Though he would leave his bone for her which probably helped. She never ever took anything from him though.

Terez
06-20-2008, 09:29 AM
/me used to be a fu(ked up goth....
Yeah, the ones I have been friends with liked to stay fu(ked up too...but most of those kids couldn't keep track of themselves, much less animals. Some people are attracted to goth because they're anti-conformist; others are attracted to goth because they're losers and they think it will make them cool. :D

Crispin's Crispian
06-20-2008, 10:28 AM
We adopted a black lab/goldie mix last year. He looks like a black golden retriever, and he's just about the sweetest dog I've ever met.

I can't figure out why he's not bald, though, because I find more than enough fur for one dog every time I sweep the floor.

Terez
06-20-2008, 10:29 AM
I can't figure out why I'm not bald for the same reason.

Ozymandias
06-20-2008, 10:34 AM
I don't get it... this is a stupid article. They come out and make the title "discrimination" and yet go on to give a list of perfectly valid reasons why a black dog might not be as likely to be adopted. They didn't give any statistics.

I'm assuming black dogs are more common than non-black dogs, for one thing (just going by human traits), whic might contribute to that perception.

I have two pugs, and the neighbor has a black pug, and I personally think the black pug is handsomer than my dog (who also weighs somewhere upwards of 30 pounds and is dumb as a rock).

Davian93
06-20-2008, 10:38 AM
I don't get it... this is a stupid article. They come out and make the title "discrimination" and yet go on to give a list of perfectly valid reasons why a black dog might not be as likely to be adopted. They didn't give any statistics.

I'm assuming black dogs are more common than non-black dogs, for one thing (just going by human traits), whic might contribute to that perception.

I have two pugs, and the neighbor has a black pug, and I personally think the black pug is handsomer than my dog (who also weighs somewhere upwards of 30 pounds and is dumb as a rock).


They did give some statistics based off how long it takes for the average black dog to be adopted compared to a non-black dog...something like 6 weeks longer for some reason.

Ozymandias
06-20-2008, 10:49 AM
they also gave a number of perfectly legitimate reasons why this might be the case.

If I was adopting a dog, and had lots of white colored furniture, I would certainly take hair color into account. And if I can't see the dog as well because its dark and it blends in, I would be perfectly justified in being suspicious of its health, or more likely to take a dog that looks better for whatever reason.

Brita
06-20-2008, 10:57 AM
I agree there were absolutely reasonable explanations. And it is commendable that some agencies recognize this trend and take action to bring some (positive) attention to their black pooches.

This story only becomes ridiculous when the word discrimnation is thrown in, and with the word black as a natural part of the story, this creates silly sensationalism that is only meant to increase the story's popularity. This pandering aside, I think it is actually an interesting observation and valuable for those whose job it is to find these dogs homes.

Gilshalos Sedai
06-20-2008, 10:59 AM
You match animals to your furniture? That's a totally alien concept to me, Oz. And not being able to see the dog in shadow is a ridiculous reason, too. Most shelters would take one to a well lit area for you to see how it interacts with you and it's environment.

I admit, it's hard to see my black dogs in the dark. They don't glow like the yellow dog does. Maybe I should give them glowing red contacts and put phosphorous on their paws?

Davian93
06-20-2008, 11:01 AM
I admit, it's hard to see my black dogs in the dark. They don't glow like the yellow dog does. Maybe I should give them glowing red contacts and put phosphorous on their paws?

Change one of their names to Cujo too...

Gilshalos Sedai
06-20-2008, 11:05 AM
Gotta make sure the big black dog froths at the mouth then.

DeiwosTheSkyGod
06-20-2008, 01:12 PM
That's strange. I never really thought about it, but when we got my last dog, all the dogs that I remember from the shelter were black.

My family's always had black dogs, and we've never had a labrador, either. And my mom would be one to consider the furniture...