Tairy Goodkind

[Terez]

This was made by a guy over at Malazan when a mod b!tched at us for Tairy-bashing, and I just had to share:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i111/Terez27/tgbash.gif

[Gilshalos Sedai]

Its funny, because I enjoy bashing Goodkind, but I have to admit, I don't get the whole joke.

[Terez]

Oh, sorry....we were flaming Tairy. We were told to stop. Someone said that flaming is good for the soul or something similar to that. Jesus is just there for added comic value I suppose. And the soul connection. :D Oh, and the evil chickens refers to the chicken that was not a chicken from the books.

[Gilshalos Sedai]

It was the chicken I didn't get. I'd apparently wiped it from my memory. Excuse me while I get some bleach since I'm remembering now and must cleanse the image. AAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

[caladanbrood]

There was no chicken in Mighty Tairy's books!

It was EVIL INCARNATE :eek:

[Davian93]

Terry Goodkind sucks.

[DeiwosTheSkyGod]

I like Terry :)

[1Powerslave]

Nice animation. Hehe. Terry sucks and bashing him is fun.

[Dragon Thief]

I love terry so much I'm having his face tattooed on my body!

Of course, I'll make sure to put the mouth right at my bunghole, because then we'd know for sure where the shit comes out of.

[Terez]

I like Terry :)
I'm ashamed to admit that I once liked his books. I had started to get irritated with them after book 6, but after reading Tairy's interviews....
Haddonfield, NJ: Second Question - I've noticed similarities between your Sword of Truth series and Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series...(Black Sisterhood vs. Black Ajah; The Order vs. The Seanchan; Richard vs. Rand both discovering their powers, both have Nameless evil Gods...etc.) I've often voiced my suspicion that these two series might be occurring on the same world...how crazy am I?

Terry Goodkind: If you notice a similarity, then you probably aren't old enough to read my books.
Need I say more?

[Isabel]

Terez: Perhaps quote is "Canada isn't a free country speeches" or other of his crazy interviews.

Oh yeah, i also read in one of the new interviews where he said that with the series option they might have to play at first at the fantasy elements, but later they would swithc to the characters and all the important themes. Since it was about that.............................

[JSUCamel]

Isa, that made no sense at all to me.

As for Terry Goodkind, I dislike his novels and I'll probably never read another one by him again.

[Terez]

Terez: Perhaps quote is "Canada isn't a free country speeches" or other of his crazy interviews.
I haven't seen that one. But here's another one, just for good measure:

Orem Utah: What do you think distinguishes your books from all of the other fantasy books out there, and why should readers choose to read your series?

Terry Goodkind: There are several things. First of all, I don't write fantasy. I write stories that have important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, adventure, mystery and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. It's either about magic or a world-building. I don't do either.

And in most fantasy magic is a mystical element. In my books fantasy is a metaphysical reality that behaves according to its own laws of identity.

Because most fantasy is about world-building and magic, a lot of it is plotless and has no story. My primary interest is in telling stories that are fun to read and make people think. That puts my books in a genre all their own.

So I guess readers who are interested in story rather than world-building and details of magic would have a good time reading my books.

[Isabel]

Camel: A lot of the quotes I am referring to where posted on the official goodkind website and later removed, because it wasn't so good for Goodkinds reputation.
I know about about it, because I follow the Goodkind threats on Westeros ;) :)

[caladanbrood]

I know about about it, because I follow the Goodkind threats on Westeros ;) :)
They are always fun :)

[irerancincpkc]

I had bought his first one, but didn't have time to read it before I heard you guys bashing him, and I don't think I ever will now... :D

[Terez]

I can see why his fans like the story...a lot of it is actually good. There are a couple of huge weaknesses in the writing, mainly that the main character is obviously supposed to be Tairy himself. :D He preaches a lot...and of course the stuff Tairy has said in interviews just puts a whole new perspective (for me) on the books.

[DeiwosTheSkyGod]

Oh, I know all that terez. I've read all the interviews. He's probably a total a-hole in person, but I really did like the first half of that series. Plus, the second half was full of unintentional comedy, which is fun to read for other reasons. Just because he's a tool doesn't stop me from liking his books.

[Isabel]

Deiwos: So are you going to read his new non fantasy books. (which are full of his ideas? )

Oh and this link is fun:

http://sandstormreviews.blogspot.com/2006/08/goodkind-parodies.html#rr

[DeiwosTheSkyGod]

Probably not. Except for Faith of the Fallen (which I LOVED), I liked the earlier books - which are much lighter on his philosophy - much, much more than the others.

[Terez]

Faith of the Fallen really was a great book for the most part. He could have done so much more with the Old World revolution...

[Davian93]

Terry Goodkind sucks...If I want to read "The Fountainhead" I'll just pull it off my bookshelf without reading his bastardized version of Ayn Rand's works.

[Gilshalos Sedai]

The last TL gathering at Frenzy's poolside, I made 4A actually giggle when I called Goodkind the soft core Fantasy Ayn Rand.

[Ozymandias]

Faith of the Fallen really was a great book for the most part. He could have done so much more with the Old World revolution...


Just don't see how you can read these books. Each story is basically unrelated to the other, not to mention the dozens of gaping holes in the plot where he obviously retcons something with no attempt to make his earlier stories flow into the later ones.

Faith of the Fallen was very good. Wizards First Rule was decent too, if a very cookie-cutter story. The latest books... well, you could take dog crap, slap an illustrated cover on it, and have a more appealing read.

And the middle two sucked, too.

[Terez]

Just don't see how you can read these books.
lol...obviously you read them too. :p

[Ozymandias]

Very funny, terez... yeah, I read them, and lament the hours out of my life I wasted n that crap. If its an defense... I stopped reading a few pages into Chainfire... Naked Empire was just bad, and I realized there was no hope after Chainfire.

FotF was enough to rekindle a little hope... quickly squashed by Terry Goodkind's desire to piece together the most outlandish story with no attention to detail in order to squeeze the most money out of the teat of his cash cow.

[Spidy]

It is a measure of your willingness to see/read whether the story is reasonable and redeemable, which in this instance I find admirable.

Unfortunately, TG let us all down and his series is one of the few where I switched off and now refuse to buy the rest, even if it is to get resolution of the story.

[Terez]

I got the last three on discount - none of them cost more than a paperback, fortunately. I was one of those that didn't mind book 7 so much (I realized later it was because I enjoyed the break from Richard and Kahlan, and because 6 was good enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt). Book 8 I also liked, but I also noticed that the Richard monologues were getting longer and the suspension of disbelief bar was rising as well. Books 9-11 I read only because I wanted to see where he went with it, and if he did anything with the good seeds he planted in book 6, but he did pretty much nothing with those seeds, and by the end, I wasn't in the least surprised at how horribly he mangled his sermon about the nobility of the human race, because I had read his interviews and was appalled at his lack of connection with reality. Those two quotes I posted above are from the first stuff I read (probably about 1-2 years ago), and I'd been hearing rumors (from Isa, who else) for a while about the crap he'd said but none of the rumors prepared me for the utter disconnect. I think my jaw literally dropped on those (I'm used to RJ - RJ can be condescending sometimes in his interviews, and he can be a smarta$$, but he's never stupid or outright rude).

[Ozymandias]

I got the last three on discount - none of them cost more than a paperback, fortunately. I was one of those that didn't mind book 7 so much (I realized later it was because I enjoyed the break from Richard and Kahlan, and because 6 was good enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt). Book 8 I also liked, but I also noticed that the Richard monologues were getting longer and the suspension of disbelief bar was rising as well. Books 9-11 I read only because I wanted to see where he went with it, and if he did anything with the good seeds he planted in book 6, but he did pretty much nothing with those seeds, and by the end, I wasn't in the least surprised at how horribly he mangled his sermon about the nobility of the human race, because I had read his interviews and was appalled at his lack of connection with reality. Those two quotes I posted above are from the first stuff I read (probably about 1-2 years ago), and I'd been hearing rumors (from Isa, who else) for a while about the crap he'd said but none of the rumors prepared me for the utter disconnect. I think my jaw literally dropped on those (I'm used to RJ - RJ can be condescending sometimes in his interviews, and he can be a smarta$$, but he's never stupid or outright rude).


Yeah I've been hearing for a while that the story gets more outlandish. I stopped when the whole "everyone in the world thinks Kahlan never existed except me" thing came around... it was just beyond belief. And I hear some aspects of the story are even more incredible now, and thats not even talking about all the times he's directly contradicted or changed something he said earlier.

[DeiwosTheSkyGod]

I thought Goodkind's biggest mistake was introducing the people like Richard's sister, who are immune to magic and would eventually proliferate throughout the entire human race. Since they weren't bad guys and couldn't be killed outright, even when the story was resolved, that thread would still be hanging, and it lent itself to the ridiculous ending that Goodkind ended up using. (Though judging by this thread, only terez will know what I'm talking about.)

Wizard's First Rule was my favorite in the series, followed by Faith of the Fallen. I know I liked the second and third ones as well, but I don't remember much of them. Number four is where it started to get weird for me (that was the one with the sex switch up with the Temple of the Winds, right?)

[Terez]

I honestly don't remember what exactly happened in the first five books very well. None of them stood out to me like book 6 did.

[Gilshalos Sedai]

I need more bleach, I'm trying to forget.

[Terez]

I do remember the chicken that was not a chicken. But that's probably because it's discussed so often at Malazan. :D

[jason wolfbrother]

I finished the series to say that I had finished them and see how Mr. Goodkind would tie it all together.

and now I will not pick them up again. I liked Wizard's First Rule. I liked the idea of these rules Wizard's are supposed to live by. but somehow Richard was the only one that actually lived by them and he had to figure them out on his own. even his grandfather Zedd, the almighty First Wizard, didn't follow them until Richard would point out his error and then *lightbulb*...umm maybe *candle* would be more appropriate, he would understand.:confused: :confused: :mad:

read them, finished them, won't read them again.

[1Powerslave]

I think I bought all the books up to book seven, then I lost interest. He had a couple of good things going in the early books. Sexy homocidal female torturers for one. But he lost the touch towards the latter half. I agree that some new concepts introduced then ruined some credibility.

[psychomusician]

but what you guys dont seem to understand is that he doesnt write books, books are almost always about either coherent ideas or entertainment value. what terry writes are literary suppositories whose goal is to cause indigestion and lower intelligence.

[tanaww]

but what you guys dont seem to understand is that he doesnt write books, books are almost always about either coherent ideas or entertainment value. what terry writes are literary suppositories whose goal is to cause indigestion and lower intelligence.

~Sniff~ A little punctuation would have made this so nice. Our little PM is growing up. The phrase "literary suppositories" is so eloquent! Seriously, I love it, Psycho. Tell us how you really feel?