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Isabel
10-21-2010, 12:37 PM
Hey all,

Is anyone else reading One Piece and wants to talk about the series?

For the people who have never heard of One Piece. It's basicly a huge epic, very very funny Manga series. It's like the wheel of time in Manga.
It's been running for 12 years, up to 601 chapters and is just past half way :)

The style of the manga is weird and different. Someone once said that One Piece is an adult manga disguised as a childrens manga.

But it's really fun and epic and the author also plans things ahead. So you can also speculate a bit about what is going to happen.
But also lots of unexpected things happen.

I can't tell you exactly what happened, but I watched an anime episode with my first sister. I told her i wanted to see that episode with her and it was worth it.

She was so surprised that she was staring at the screen with her mouth open for at least 2-3-4 minutes. While I was laughing out loud :D

If you are interested it it, you can start by watching the cartoon or readin the manga. Remember the first 100 scanlations aren't that good, so the anime is fine too. Although it starts slightly different.

Here some links if you wanna see it.

Anime
http://www.watchop.com/watch/5-one-piece-episode-001-english-subbed/

Manga
http://somemangas.com/manga/One_Piece/1/

Firseal
10-21-2010, 01:48 PM
And here I thought I was the only one around here to read manga (I know some others dabble in anime, but not to what degree).

One Piece is... well, the scope is on the level of Lord of the Rings or Wheel of Time. But when you start, that's very, very hard to see, because outwardly it looks like Terry Pratchet decided to do a comic about Pirates in a new world, and he has Neil Gaiman wandering by every once and awhile to dump any odd ideas that won't work for his fiction into this comicy pirate world.

So, yeah. Not WoT in comics. Discworld, only Age of Pirates/Romantism, done by Pratchett and Gaiman, with weird superpowers and bright colors and oddly drawn people (very oddly drawn), talking animals, demonic fruits, a sea of islands weirder than anything Prince Caspian ever saw, etc.

It's strange. It's culture shock, and not because you are reading something that looks more slapstick than early Loony Toons that was originally written in another language. It is because the world you are presented with is literally massive, and all it's wacky bright colors hide some of the night black shadows.

In simpler terms, I think One Piece probably isn't for anyone. Anyone picking it up will have to acclimatize to the extreme weirdness of OP before they can begin appreciating the underlying facets (or be able to glory in the wacky - that works too). On the other hand, once they've paid the toll and delved in, a surprising number of the folks on this board would probably like what they find underneath.

Oh, but for godsakes, if you watch the actual anime (and Isabel, for not being American you are spared this) do not watch the hideous blot that is the 4kids American localization. Almost everything worth watching in the series is destroyed by that editing company to make it 'hip and fun'. If you can find the Funimation episodes, great. Otherwise - do not watch the 4kids nightmare.

DahLliA
10-21-2010, 01:53 PM
tried One Piece a few years ago. didn't really get into it though.

only mangas I follow regularly are Naruto and Bleach. other than those I prefer animes

Isabel
10-21-2010, 02:07 PM
Firseal: i do read other manga's as well :) But One Piece is my favourite.

I agree it's not for everyone. However, even americans can watch the subbed version. The original language is always better. Plus you learn some Japanese.

DahLliA : how much did you read before you quit?
Most people i know who's favourite series was Naruto or Bleach switch to One Piece, because it's more epic and keeps getting more epic, instead of suckier.

BTW Firseal: have you read chapter 601? :)

Firseal
10-21-2010, 02:56 PM
I am just pointing out that one has to get through the 'weirdness' layer before they get anywhere near liking the series. For most, that will be... slow. One Piece likes to smack folks in the face with the wacky.

It's like introducing a non-gamer who hated the Star Wars prequel triology to Darths and Droids. Yes, they might like it. How likely are they to read it long enough to find out?

Moreover I like dubbing with my translation if it is done competantly. Either way, though, getting One Piece anime in the US (without shady channels) means going to either 4kids or Funimation. 85% of those who go to 4kids will probably drop the series with a quickness. Hence my recommendation of Funimation.

And yes. I've read 601. Looks like the Pacifistas aren't going to hand Luffy and company their asses anymore, given that at least three of the crew can one shot the blasted things. I do find it interesting that Sentoumaru, rather than trying to outright kill Luffy, seems to want the captain to surrender and come with him (yeah, he opened fire with a big bloodly laser first but Luffy's been strong enough to survive that for eons).

Since when did anyone that high up in the World Government actually want Luffy alive at the end of the day? Especially as Sentoumaru identifies as a bloody Marine now?

Zanguini
10-21-2010, 03:08 PM
If you want a WoT like Anime series try out The Twelve Kingdoms (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=840) it doesnt come from a Manga like most Anime but it comes from a series of light novels by Fuyumi Ono... Of which the first four volumes of seven have been translated into English... though the first is hard to find. It is one of my favorite Anime.

An older one along the same lines is Fushigi Yuugi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=178)

Fullmetal Alchemist (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2960) goes without saying as a story indepth.

Try also Rurouni Kenshin (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=73)

A recent one I really likes was Eden of the East (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10474)

For you GW players .hack//sign (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=605)

Sites I generally go to to watch anime are http://www.anilinkz.com/, http://www.animecrazy.net/ and http://www.anime-sub.com/

I also have a megavideo subscription which allows me to watch more than 72 minutes a day.

Anime News Network is awesome.

Firseal
10-21-2010, 03:34 PM
While I have yet to read the Light Novels, and the anime ends with a lightning abruptness, the Twelve Kingdoms is actually very well done. It can feel frightfully slow, but when it builds to a confrontation or the climax of a story arc, it really pulls out the stops.

I didn't really get into Fushigi Yuugi. I know it picks up, but when I ran into it I was reading better books and watching better series.

Full Metal Alchemist definitely. Though if you are going to watch the anime rather than read the manga, then watch Brotherhood (the second anime, which follows the manga storyline rather than branching off into an alternate line). The first core of the anime compresses a lot in which was explored at leisure in the first series, but ultimately the story is vastly superior in Brotherhood.

Kenshin is good, but again you can be screwed by bad adaptation companies. Avoid the cut-rate stylings of 'Samurai X' which is the same source material, but badly translated then reedited.

I've heard a lot of good things about Eden of the East, but I can't afford to pick up new series until I have a new job.

.hack//sign is an interesting little experiment. Designed as the first act of a multiple media experiment, it is about players in an MMORPG exploring a mystery which they realize is both underpinning the game they are all playing, and also reaching beyond it into the real world. The actual game is where they explore that mystery, but what they do in that game is immaterial to the story they are exploring and we are seeing through their eyes. It's well done, but it isn't the action packed thing many envision when one says, "MMORPG anime". It is more like a mystery being tracked by player avatars in an MMORPG world.

Nice links for news. Most of my old sources on anime are gone, but I still swear by Them Anime (http://www.themanime.org/index.php), a review site (with the occasional masterful crushing of low quality titles. I will never watch anything they give one start to, but reading them crucifying it sometimes is sublime), and aniDB.net (http://anidb.net), which is an index and database source for tracking anime.

Matoyak
10-21-2010, 03:46 PM
Huge fan of manga and anime, myself. Much prefer anime to anything on American tv, for sure...and most manga are better than American comics as well.

Never got into One Piece manga nor anime (but then I've only seen parts of the awful dubbed 4Kids version of the anime...watched about 25ish episodes with my step-brother who loved it, Naruto, and Bleach...should try it in subs, but I have way too long a list of ones that I am more interested in to get to first. I also tend to prefer more serious stories to comedies...) I'm currently working my way through Noir, Serial Experiments LAIN, Darker than BLACK II, and Gun x Sword...kinda alternating every other episode between them all.

As an aside: If you want a more serious manga, look for things in the Seinin category...also, anything by Naoki Urasawa is absolutely PHENOMENAL. Monster, Pluto (Astro Boy combined with Monster, essentially), and 20th Century Boys are the ones I've read of his, and they're great. I kinda view him as the Alan Moore of manga. (Except people tend to have much nicer things to say about Naoki...he has much fewer haters than Moore does)

EDIT: Re FMA: The original anime of FMA was created when the manga was still ongoing, and the Mangaka requested that they create a completely different ending than what she had planned for the manga so as to not spoil things, and so they could have creative freedom and not have to create filler. It's still a very very good anime, just look at it as an alternate continuity/universe/timeline (like End of Evangelion for Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Rebuild of Evangelion)

Zanguini
10-21-2010, 03:49 PM
.hack//sign is an interesting little experiment. Designed as the first act of a multiple media experiment, it is about players in an MMORPG exploring a mystery which they realize is both underpinning the game they are all playing, and also reaching beyond it into the real world. The actual game is where they explore that mystery, but what they do in that game is immaterial to the story they are exploring and we are seeing through their eyes. It's well done, but it isn't the action packed thing many envision when one says, "MMORPG anime". It is more like a mystery being tracked by player avatars in an MMORPG world.


I know its about the mystery but i couldnt get into the other acts as much as i did the first

DahLliA
10-21-2010, 06:46 PM
DahLliA : how much did you read before you quit?
Most people i know who's favourite series was Naruto or Bleach switch to One Piece, because it's more epic and keeps getting more epic, instead of suckier.

I got the first book along with another manga I bought some time. so I've read the first book. I think Firseal is right about the weirdness. that's what turned me off at least

Firseal
10-21-2010, 09:43 PM
Don't suppose any of you have read Bakuman?

Isabel
10-21-2010, 11:16 PM
I am just pointing out that one has to get through the 'weirdness' layer before they get anywhere near liking the series. For most, that will be... slow. One Piece likes to smack folks in the face with the wacky.

It's like introducing a non-gamer who hated the Star Wars prequel triology to Darths and Droids. Yes, they might like it. How likely are they to read it long enough to find out?

In my case it was an annoying brother who kept saying that i should watch it.
So in the end I had something to drink and watched it with my best friend :)


Moreover I like dubbing with my translation if it is done competantly. Either way, though, getting One Piece anime in the US (without shady channels) means going to either 4kids or Funimation. 85% of those who go to 4kids will probably drop the series with a quickness. Hence my recommendation of Funimation.

Dubbing?? Barbarian :p BTW, you can just go to any online streaming site to find a translated one piece. Much better ;) Otherwise you miss out the voice of Franky:)




Since when did anyone that high up in the World Government actually want Luffy alive at the end of the day? Especially as Sentoumaru identifies as a bloody Marine now?

Perhaps the Marines like another big execution?

Isabel
10-21-2010, 11:17 PM
Don't suppose any of you have read Bakuman?

No, should i?

Matoyak
10-22-2010, 01:05 AM
It's like introducing a non-gamer who hated the Star Wars prequel triology to Darths and Droids. Yes, they might like it. How likely are they to read it long enough to find out?Heh, I don't table-top game (though I would like to), and I DESPISED the prequel trilogy (among the worst movies ever made as far as I'm concerned). Darths and Droids is AWESOME, though. Oh so great, and it makes the prequels not just bearable, but fun to boot.

DahLliA
10-22-2010, 11:35 AM
Heh, I don't table-top game (though I would like to), and I DESPISED the prequel trilogy (among the worst movies ever made as far as I'm concerned). Darths and Droids is AWESOME, though. Oh so great, and it makes the prequels not just bearable, but fun to boot.

this. well into episode 2 and I started last night :p

thanks Firseal :D

Firseal
10-22-2010, 05:09 PM
No, should i?

Yes.

Bakuman is a manga about making manga, and the publishing industry involved therefore.

Despite how boring that sounds, it really isn't. It is also done by the team that produced Death Note. Now, I hated Death Note with a holy passion, but no one can say those guys don't know how to plot an interesting story, and in Bakuman they are actually doing something bright and hopeful rather than depressing and nihilistic.

Or, in simpler terms:

Again, yes. You should be reading Bakuman, Isabel.

Matoyak
10-22-2010, 05:34 PM
I hated Death Note with a holy passion, but no one can say those guys don't know how to plot an interesting story, and in Bakuman they are actually doing something bright and hopeful rather than depressing and nihilistic.I loved Death Note until about 3/4ths of the way through the second season. At which point it got...boring at best. Also, the ending was a cop-out.

Also has a damn good soundtrack for the anime, and damn great art for the manga. :)

Bakuman is made by those guys? Hrm...might have to go check it out in that case...

Firseal
10-22-2010, 11:35 PM
My problem with Death Note is that is remarkably hard to care about any story when your primary emotional response is, "is the main character dead yet? No? F*** it." By episode 3 of the anime I stopped going, 'interesting' and started going, 'just kill him already'.

Villains are great, but I don't root for them. Putting me in the reader's equivilent of following an irredeemable omnicidal maniac's wacky antics where he doesn't lose but does murder more and more people every episode in the most cowardly of possible ways didn't sit right. My least favorite anime based off story reasons (there are others who rate low for quality reasons) for years. Recently replaced, but that's a different rant.

Isabel
10-22-2010, 11:40 PM
I actually liked Death Note. Untill the first good guy died :p Mostly because it was interesting in how he became evil.

I will check out Bakuman. (ok, after I have seen all the episodes of the Big Bang theory)

Oatman
10-25-2010, 10:35 PM
I've been keeping up with One Piece. Quite enjoying it really. The only other manga I've been reading since FMA ended is Berserk. Awesome story, but has the most irregular release of anything I've ever tried to follow. The schedule is basically whenever the writer feels like releasing another one. Really dark, but has an epic feel to it.

Matoyak
10-26-2010, 08:48 PM
I've been keeping up with One Piece. Quite enjoying it really. The only other manga I've been reading since FMA ended is Berserk. Awesome story, but has the most irregular release of anything I've ever tried to follow. The schedule is basically whenever the writer feels like releasing another one. Really dark, but has an epic feel to it.The artist is VERY sick, iirc. Releases stuff in between being in the hospital or something like that.

Oatman
10-27-2010, 08:06 AM
Well that is a perfectly reasonable reason.

Rand al'Fain
11-17-2010, 02:05 AM
Never been much for mangas, but have been watching the One Piece anime. And yes, the original in subs is much better than dubbing. Speaking of which, most dubs seem to really suck. As in the voices don't seem to go with the character. The only time I have found this to be true of the original, was with DBZ. Holy crap, Goku sounds like he is 9 years old.:eek:

Anyways, I enjoy the One Piece series and have been keeping up with Bleach (one of the few that has actually had good dubs, but am well past those episodes). Also watching Bakuman, which is different than how I imagined it, but in a good way.

And the reason I don't read manga, is that where I live, the selection is VERY limited and I would have to read online, which strains the eyes more often than not.

Matoyak
11-17-2010, 02:32 AM
Anime with good Dubs:
FMA, FMA:B, GitS, GitS: SAC, GitS: SAC 2nd Gig, Eureka 7, Cowboy Bebop, the new Akira remake (or so I've been told), NGE, NGE: EoE, NGE: Rebuild, and Rurouni Kenshin (Though this is a YMMV issue in that the only reason I preferred the English Dub over the Sub was that the Kenshin seiyuu is female, which is odd to my ears, even if I understand why they chose it to be that way.)

Rand al'Fain
11-17-2010, 04:30 PM
Anime with good Dubs:
FMA, FMA:B, GitS, GitS: SAC, GitS: SAC 2nd Gig, Eureka 7, Cowboy Bebop, the new Akira remake (or so I've been told), NGE, NGE: EoE, NGE: Rebuild, and Rurouni Kenshin (Though this is a YMMV issue in that the only reason I preferred the English Dub over the Sub was that the Kenshin seiyuu is female, which is odd to my ears, even if I understand why they chose it to be that way.)

A few that I have liked, are Vandread, DBZ, DB, Ranma 1/2, Bleach, and Funimation One Piece.

I will say that FMA had good dubs, but I never really got into the series itself. And if you could, could you spell out what those other ones are? Thanks.

Zanguini
11-18-2010, 08:16 AM
1st Season of Pokemon was well dubbed

Rand al'Fain
11-24-2010, 10:29 PM
1st Season of Pokemon was well dubbed

There is that, but after they introduced the second group of Pokemon, I lost interest in it.

Digimon (first 2 seasons) were alright as well.