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New Futurist Man
12-08-2010, 12:33 PM
"The creature that had been Padan Fain opened his mouth in glee, closing his eyes to the tumultuous black sky and raising his face, lips parted, enjoying his feast. After it passed, he sighed, holding his dagger tighter - cutting his flesh.
Red below, black above. Red and black, red and black, so much red and black. Wonderful.He walked on through the Blight."
--- Prologue, Towers of Midnight

Question: Where did Mordeth originally come from? He's like some sort of demon but in a world that doesn't believe in them - not in the sense of malignant spiritual forces anyway.

Presumably he originally appeared at a point when Ishamael was free in the world - meaning he/it was the creation of Ishamael or at the least invoked into the world by him - then is their any trace in the books that Ishamael/Moridin may still be in control of him?

On the surface it seems unlikely as he's on the Dark One's kill-on-sight list, and yet his whole presence is an anomaly which only really makes sense if Ishamael had a hand in it...

Moridin regularly reiterates his obsession with facing the Dragon Reborn at the Last Battle, even helping him defeat Sammael to ensure the confrontation took place. Whereas his agents like Taim, Elza Penfel - and a host of other characters we presume serve the Shadow - are often heard to say they intend making sure the Dragon Reborn reaches the Last Battle - though without saying they wish the Dragon Reborn is actually victorious there! No doubt those are the orders Moridin gave them.

And wasn't it Fain himself who despatched one of the rebel Asha'man - the reason: because Fain's supposedly called dibs on getting to kill the Dragon Reborn...

This "obsession", until now, its assumed was planted in him by the Dark One. We know Fain believes he was taken to Shayol Ghul and tortured - but perhaps it wasn't Shayol Ghul, but Moridin's fortress in the Blight, and it was Moridin - then in his Ishamael persona, flames for eyes etc. - who did the torturing and not the Dark One?

Moridin's fortress is decorated in the colours red and black. Maybe these colours - which adorn the flags flying in the fortress in the Blight, are the colour of the liveries worn by the servants - and surface in Fain's incoherent ramblings - are leftovers of his last moments of sanity at the fortress in the Blight before he was irreparably twisted by whatever foul means Moridin employed.

Consider this: from a certain perspective its apparent Moridin's agents who've infiltrated the Dragon Reborn's company - Taim, Gedwyn, Rochaid etc at Dumai's Wells; or Elza Penfel bowing before the Dragon Reborn to ensure prophecy was fulfilled; and even Moridin himself helping the Dragon Reborn defeat Sammael at Shadar Logoth etc. - all have done nearly as much as those genuinely loyal to him - if not more - to ensure he stays alive to reach the Last Battle...

Its on the cards Fain began as another of Moridin's pawns. One which has evidently come to rival its former master...

And if Moridin did invoke Mordeth into this world: is it possible he's a demon comparable in power to the Dark One? The Dark One has him on his kill-on-sight list - so the Great Lord is obviously taking Fain seriously! Whereas the "evil" of Shadar Logoth seemed equal to the Taint on Saidin - which is fairly suggestive of the depth of power Mordeth possesses. Also, consider: Maishadar is possibly the only sentient being pretty much impervious to balefire - and the fact it acts as a kind of cloak around Fain, emanating from his person - is gonna make him seriously hard to deal with, whether his opponent can channel or not.

Perhaps Moridin, whilst his Great Lord was locked within his prison in a dreamless sleep, has unleashed a force that may come to usurp his place in the world...

12-08-2010, 03:36 PM
Nice theory, well supported.
There has been a theory that Fain/Mordeth is the new DO for the next cycle of ages. This is related to that (although with some differences).
I agree with most points and think this is a plausible theory.