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Terez
01-18-2011, 11:59 PM
Brandon on Twitter - 18 January 2011 (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27458970721460225)
Yes, there is other foreshadowing in the books that I'm not telling you about because it references AMOL.
Terez (http://twitter.com/#%21/Terez27/status/27462078100930561)
I will hopefully catch some of those, though I'm bound to catch a few red herrings as well. :)
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27487935804739584)
I just passed a big one in TGH.
Terez (http://twitter.com/#%21/Terez27/status/27488529919508481)
haha, and you know I will be scouring the pages of your vicinity looking for it. :D
Terez (http://twitter.com/#%21/Terez27/status/27490013226733570)
My first guess: Mat is immune to Fain's dagger. (ch. 7) Second guess: foreshadowing of Cyndane's importance in AMOL.
Terez (http://twitter.com/#%21/Terez27/status/27492067420676096)
3rd: Slayer's role in AMOL. 4th: Perrin puts on a crown and speaks in High Chant. (the crown at least seems likely)22 (https://docs.google.com/View?docID=dcjspjqg_1001hng4gxff&revision=_latest#FOOTNOTE-22)
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27495120517464064)
Nope and nope. It's a very innocent line, and I won't tell you more than that. You'll spot it once you read AMOL.
(Note: his last tweet was technically in response to my first two guesses.)

So, it's somewhere between chapter 6 (where he started for the day) and chapter 9 (he commented on the first Domon POV just after that). We might should reasonably extend it to the chapter he first reports on tomorrow, though it would seem smart to concentrate on 6-9 first.

Obviously, Brandon thinks it's something we won't understand until we read AMOL. But that won't stop us from over-analyzing every phrase in those chapters, will it? :)

GonzoTheGreat
01-19-2011, 03:13 AM
Easy, this one. I've been saying it for years:
The Aes Sedai shook her head. "The world grows stranger every day. I suppose the blacksmith will wear a crown and speak in High Chant. Wait here." She vanished inside to announce them.

Fie
01-19-2011, 03:25 AM
Ah, yes, I remember reading that I went imediately "Oh, you just wait and see, bloody snob Aes Sedai", too. it´s hardly an innocent line, though. Poor Perrin will be devastated. Leader, ok, crown and king, well, the wheel weaves as the wheel wills, but High Chant ? :eek: He´d probably prefer to howl at the moon ;)
Unfortunately my own reread is just near the end of EotW but I´m making donkey´s ears on all pages that get my attention in regard to aMoL. If others do as well, as I guess, we could make a foreshadowing compilation.

Landro
01-19-2011, 04:02 AM
Some possibilities:
(page numbers are from the the mass market edition)

Ch6, P87
"Shai'tan is dead" [Rand] said harshly, and abruptly the room seemed to lurch. He grabbed his head as waves of dizziness sloshed through him.



Ch6, P89
Rand running through the women's appartments passing by lots of AS
"Someone stop him!"
but nobody does. Doesn't any AS try to hold him with Air? Did Rand use Saidin?


Ch7, P102
After healing Mat
How will this affect matters? Moiraine wondered. He is not necessary with the horn gone and yet.....
What does she know about Mat and the Horn? He hasn't blown it yet at this point.


Ch7, P113
"Now you [Perrin]," [Leanne] said, in tones quiet yet brisk, "are almost a pretty enough boy to make me wish I was green. Almost"
Probably not what Brandon meant but still made me smile :)


Ch8, P122
Leanne looked Rand over with a slight smile. Despite the smile, her voice had a hard snap to it. "What have you brought the Amyrlin Seat today, Lan Gaidin? A young Lion? Better you don't let any Greens see this one, or one of them will bond him before he can take a breath. Greens like to bond them young."
Another smile for Leanne :)


Ch8, 124
Verin:
I have even heard a few Red say they sometimes wish for a warder.
Pevara and.......

Terez
01-19-2011, 12:01 PM
Easy, this one. I've been saying it for years:
You must have missed that I mentioned that one in one of my tweets. I do like it because it's innocent and Brandon didn't technically deny it (he responded to my first two guesses, and that one was guess four).

Some possibilities:
(page numbers are from the the mass market edition)
As a general rule, it's better to use chapter numbers; no one has the same editions, except that there is a rather large group with the first edition hardback (more so for later books, obviously) because we all buy it when it comes out. But most of us use homemade ebooks at the computer.

Doesn't any AS try to hold him with Air? Did Rand use Saidin?Oh hell no. Don't you think they'd have noticed?

Ch7, P102
After healing Mat

What does she know about Mat and the Horn? He hasn't blown it yet at this point.Brandon addressed that:

Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27443828902338560)
Much has been made of Moiraine thinking of Mat: "He is not necessary with the Horn gone." (This is long before he's blown it.)
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27444049610809344)
I think it's a lot of fuss over nothing. Her plan was to have Mat, eager for adventure, draw Rand into carrying the Horn south.Pevara and.......For context, he's talking about foreshadowing that he can't discuss because it will spoil things for future books. Things like this that we already know about don't qualify.

kasper11
01-19-2011, 02:13 PM
A couple of possibilities:

Lan putting aside his oaths to help Rand --- could foreshadow Rand bringing aid to Lan in AMOL.

The Dark Prophecy says Rand "gives his friends for sacrifice" -- is this turning his back on Esmond's Field, or something else?

Moiraine learning all about Rand's history while Rand is at Fal Dara -- how did she do that?

WinespringBrother
01-19-2011, 02:19 PM
Moiraine learning all about Rand's history while Rand is at Fal Dara -- how did she do that?

Moiraine found out a lot about Tam. She could have used her eyes and ears in Illian for that. Or maybe she has connections in Caemlyn that found out about Kari al'Thor and Tam.

Terez
01-19-2011, 02:35 PM
Lan putting aside his oaths to help Rand --- could foreshadow Rand bringing aid to Lan in AMOL.

The Dark Prophecy says Rand "gives his friends for sacrifice"
I thought of this when I read TGS, and Rand gave Nynaeve his little speech about how Lan's sacrifice would be a good tactical distraction.

I don't think that anything related to a prophecy is what Brandon had in mind when he said 'innocent'. He's talking more about something like this:

An owl hooted in the night outside, and the village people jumped before they realized what it was. They laughed nervously and exchanged shamefaced looks.

"Next thing, field mice will chase us up a tree," Egwene said with an unsteady chuckle.

Lan shook his head. "Better if it had been wolves."

"Wolves!" Perrin exclaimed, and the Warder favored him with a flat stare.

"Wolves don't like Trollocs, blacksmith, and Trollocs don't like wolves, or dogs, either. If I heard wolves I would be sure there were no Trollocs waiting out there for us." Or this:
"Master Fain knew little more than he had already told. At least, little of interest to us. Battles won or lost. Cities taken and retaken. All in Ghealdan, thank the Light. It hasn't spread, or had not the last Master Fain knew."

"Battles interest me," Mat said, and Perrin added, "What did he say about them?"

"Battles don't interest me, Matrim," Tam said. Or this:
"I heard a story once," Mat said slowly, "from a wool-buyer's guard. He said the Dragon would be reborn in mankind's greatest hour of need, and save us all. "

"Well, he was a fool if he believed that," Perrin said firmly. "And you were a fool to listen." He did not sound angry; he was slow to anger. But he sometimes got exasperated with Mat's quicksilver fancies, and there was a touch of that in his voice. "I suppose he claimed we'd all live in a new Age of Legends afterwards, too."

"I didn't say I believed it," Mat protested. "I just heard it. Nynaeve did, too, and I thought she was going to skin me and the guard both. He said – the guard did – that a lot of people do believe, only they're afraid to say so, afraid of the Aes Sedai or the Children of the Light. He wouldn't say any more after Nynaeve lit into us. She told the merchant, and he said it was the guard's last trip with him."

"A good thing, too," Perrin said. "The Dragon going to save us? Sounds like Coplin talk to me."

"What kind of need would be great enough that we'd want the Dragon to save us from it?" Rand mused. "As well ask for help from the Dark One."Or this:
"I have wasted nothing, child." A small smile of satisfaction flitted across Moiraine's lips. "That last light was yours alone."

"It was?" Egwene exclaimed, then slid immediately back into glumness. "But it was barely there at all. "

"Now you are behaving like a foolish village girl. Most who come to Tar Valon must study for many months before they can do what you just did. You may go far. Perhaps even the Amyrlin Seat, one day, if you study hard and work hard."Or this:
At the base of the hill he studied the massive, flat rock outlined against the sky, jutting out the slope almost at the crest. There was an odd familiarity to the way the top of the huge slab seemed to form irregular steps, three up and one down. He climbed the short distance and felt across the stone, walking along it. Despite the weathering of centuries he could still feel four joined columns. He glanced up at the step-like top of the stone, towering over his head like a huge lean-to. Fingers. We'll shelter in Artur Hawkwing's hand. Maybe some of his justice is left here.Or this:
For a wonder, Mat was the only one who had been unhorsed. Rand trotted toward him, but Mat tossed a noose away from him with a shudder, gathered his bow, and scrambled into his saddle unaided, though rubbing at his throat.Or this:
"Inside? Of course, of course. Don't you worry, boy. Your Wisdom will take care of him. I've watched her work, since last night, and she has a deft touch and a sure skill. It could be a lot worse. Some died last night. Not many, perhaps, but any at all are too many for me. Old Fain just disappeared, and that's the worst of all. Trollocs will eat anything. You should thank the Light your father's still here, and alive for the Wisdom to heal."

Rand blotted out the words – He is my father! – reducing the voice to meaningless sound that he noticed no more than a fly's buzzing. Or maybe even something as blatant as this:
He found himself staring at the reflection of his own face, pale and shivering in the knife-edge cold. Ba'alzamon's image grew behind his, staring at him; not seeing, but staring still. In every mirror, the flames of Ba'alzamon's face raged behind him, enveloping, consuming, merging. He wanted to scream, but his throat was frozen. There was only one face in those endless mirrors. His own face. Ba'alzamon's face. One face.But certainly not a prophecy.

Terez
01-19-2011, 02:54 PM
And of course, these are all obvious in retrospect, but to give you an idea of how to go about 'finding' theoretic foreshadowing...my brilliant Gawyn theory was based on this very innocent line:
Betray? Gawyn Trakand, that word fits you as darkness fits the sun.
The idea being that Gawyn will betray her or someone else when the sun goes dark, and of course there are many things pointing to this being a distinct possibility in the near future, and there are still many ways for Gawyn to fulfill this supposed foreshadowing whether he kills Rand or not.

The idea is that this is the sort of foreshadowing that RJ loved to use, and he was very good at it.

Terez
01-19-2011, 09:32 PM
New info:
Matt Hatch (http://twitter.com/#%21/Theoryland/status/27607717195554816)
Readers, let's go HCFF on an "innocent" comment by @BrandonSandrson (http://twitter.com/BrandonSandrson) re: an AMoL foreshadowing in TGH, discuss! http://bit.ly/gMZvLI
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27855577682018304)
I've seen someone post on the innocent comment before, FYI. In fact, it was recent.
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27855688260653056)
And Terez has sniffed at it before, I know.

I wonder what he's getting at here. It could be something as simple as the Perrin-crown guess being correct. He didn't technically deny it was that. It could be something else, but I'd rather not go crazy over trying to decide what of my theorizing he's read. The advantage might be in the fact that I rarely talk about TGH, lol. Unless it's something that has nothing to do with the actual quote and more to do with the theory it foreshadows...

klye
01-19-2011, 10:33 PM
Terez,
A bit dense here. The second to the last quote you use, about them healing rands father... is it foreshadowing that he'll hear the voice in his head? (and no... I dont care whether its real or not.)

Terez
01-19-2011, 11:06 PM
Yes, it was the same technique (exact words) he used to suppress Lews Therin's voice.

Fie
01-20-2011, 04:52 AM
I think all the "red and black"-business was not to hint to / red herring Moridin/Taim,or at least doing this just as a sidenote, but foreshadows to aMoL in terms of the Karaethon cycle´s "Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul."

FelixPax
01-20-2011, 11:54 AM
And of course, these are all obvious in retrospect, but to give you an idea of how to go about 'finding' theoretic foreshadowing...my brilliant Gawyn theory was based on this very innocent line:

The idea being that Gawyn will betray her or someone else when the sun goes dark, and of course there are many things pointing to this being a distinct possibility in the near future, and there are still many ways for Gawyn to fulfill this supposed foreshadowing whether he kills Rand or not.

The idea is that this is the sort of foreshadowing that RJ loved to use, and he was very good at it.


Gawyn is currently under multiple Oaths to Egwene, Morgase, Elayne among others. That situation is the one, where Gawyn will be pushed to decide who to follow, if Egwene al'Vere and Morgase, Elayne decide to have an bloody dispute. Gawyn is caught in the middle.

Gawyn's tension inside is one between his Mother, Sister versus his new Wife to be.


Elayne never bend her knee to Egwene's position as "Mother". Elayne & her real Mother are the one to push Gawyn one way, while Egwene pulls the other. Either way unless Morgase & Egwene finally make-up in the end, Gawyn will be have to betray one of his Oaths: "Mother" versus "Mother".

Mort
01-20-2011, 02:36 PM
I just read through chapter 6, 7 and 8. Man there's a lot of hints/forshadowing just in those three chapters alone. Long time since I reread the series that far back.

My fav scenes that I like to go back to are usually from TDR and forward. Around when Mat gets healed and Rand going for Tear. Perrin is boring as usual though. There about kicks off the second act for me.

Juan
01-20-2011, 08:50 PM
Felix, that is one of the more reasonable theories I've seen you post! :P

morat'corlm
01-20-2011, 11:11 PM
Maybe this? The windows, he thought desperately. He backed away from the door, clutching his sword before him in both hands. Even if the door holds, they can break in the windows. Why aren’t they trying the windows?

With a deafening metallic screech, one of the brackets pulled partly away from the doorframe, hanging loose on nails ripped a finger’s width out of the wood. The bar quivered from another blow, and the nails squealed again.

“We have to stop them!” Rand shouted. Only we can’t. We can’t stop them. He looked around for a way to run, but there was only the one door. The room was a box. Only one door, and so many windows. “We have to do something. Something!”

morat'corlm
01-20-2011, 11:19 PM
Perhaps this, WRT Selucia's basement plan: “The Horn! The Horn of Valere. It’s gone, chest and all.”

“But it was in the strongroom.”

“The strongroom was looted,” Ingtar said wearily. “They did not take much, except for the Horn. What they could stuff in their pockets. I wish they had taken everything else and left that. Ronan is dead, and the watchmen he had guarding the strongroom.”Kind of a stretch, though.

This might count as ironic foreshadowing if my Dom Band idea's correct: You can gentle me, or kill me, or let me go, but I will not be a tame false Dragon on a Tar Valon leash.Hm...Usually she could ferret out whatever he wanted to hide from her, but when he really wanted to be stubborn, she could more easily dig a brick out of a wall with her fingernails.

Terez
01-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Brandon clarified a little bit further:


Matt Hatch (http://twitter.com/#%21/Theoryland/status/27607717195554816)
Readers, let's go HCFF on an "innocent" comment by @BrandonSandrson (http://twitter.com/BrandonSandrson) re: an AMoL foreshadowing in TGH, discuss! http://bit.ly/gMZvLI
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27855577682018304)
I've seen someone post on the innocent comment before, FYI. In fact, it was recent.
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/27855688260653056)
And Terez has sniffed at it before, I know.
Terez (http://twitter.com/#%21/Terez27/status/27955033727307776)
Do you mean sniff as in turn my nose up at it? Or as in I got in the ballpark? Important distinction.
Terez (http://twitter.com/#%21/Terez27/status/27918564216279040)
Also, I do not sniff.
Brandon (http://twitter.com/#%21/BrandonSandrson/status/28191615692578816)

"Sniff" as in I've seen you poke at the line before, and ponder if it has meaning.
So, I'm thinking I know what I've poked at better than anyone else. And I'm thinking right now that the most likely answer is that it was my 4th guess - Perrin and the crown (and maybe also some High Chant, but whatever). I'm thinking this just because I so rarely poke at things in these few chapters. I mean, they are only a few chapters.

Another possibility is the 'shadow at noon' quote in ch. 2, but I think that is probably stretching the definition of 'just passed', since he had probably read that chapter the day before.

I will try to remember if I've picked at any other lines in the vicinity.

jana
01-22-2011, 03:45 PM
I feel fairly confident it's the Perrin thing. RJ did things like that constantly. There are lots of examples of characters thinking of unlikely things and saying them out loud as a joke and then five books later they actually happen.

Neilbert
01-22-2011, 04:53 PM
I suspect Perrin is going to deliver an important speech.

Terez
01-22-2011, 05:40 PM
It may just be that he will quote some of the prophecies, which are written in High Chant sometimes.

Mort
01-22-2011, 07:58 PM
It may just be that he will quote some of the prophecies, which are written in High Chant sometimes.

Doesn't feel important enough to be included in prophecy though. I think there's something more to it than just quoting some bits of prophecy.

Terez
01-22-2011, 08:27 PM
It's not prophecy. It's just foreshadowing.

GonzoTheGreat
01-23-2011, 03:47 AM
Perrin will probably give the speech that makes the difference. Instead of the Dragon's Peace which Aviendha foresaw, and which failed to do what it was intended to achieve, we will now have the Blacksmith's Alliance (BA), which will work, since it will be patterned on that unsolvable puzzle Perrin is fiddling with ever since Malden. This will mean, of course, that no one can pry it apart.

Juan
01-24-2011, 05:38 PM
Except for Egwene. She has a knack for bringing the anger out in people. And making people hostile toward each other.

kivo
01-24-2011, 07:32 PM
Except for Egwene. She has a knack for bringing the anger out in people. And making people hostile toward each other.

Too much time talking to Mr. Mordeth in the Fal Dara cell, that.

kivo
01-24-2011, 07:36 PM
I suspect Perrin is going to deliver an important speech.

Called THE SONG.

Well the Singing, or whatever. Rand is the Destroyer, Mat is the Trickster and Perrin is the Builder. Perrin will lead the rebuilding effort after Rand is gone.

Juan
01-24-2011, 07:46 PM
Yeah for all we know Egwene is possessed just like Fain is. ;)

Terez
01-24-2011, 08:12 PM
Driving Mr. Sanderson (from Half Moon Bay to San Jose), 21 November 2009 - Matt Hatch reporting (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2714)

Matt: So, his influence...how long, for example…wasn’t Egwene exposed to Padan Fain? Are there still effects that Egwene has on people because of him?
Brandon: Remember the idea that people have, generally, a choice. There are ways to turn people to the Shadow against their will, but when that happens the person is no longer the [same] person. What is happening with Padan Fain is, natural tendencies can be exacerbated or they can be fought off...
Matt: ...so Elaida’s paranoia fed that? With someone like Egwene, she might have fought it off, so it’s not going to be…
Brandon: ...right. exactly, or someone like Rand who continues to fight it off. He has become very paranoid. And the wound in his side, certainly someone could make the connection that that might have an influence. I won’t say for certain but…
Matt: ...so, the suggestion is, not only does he have the taint, which is negatively influencing him, or influencing him in such ways that might bring on paranoia; there is this accentuation of it because of Fain…
Brandon: ...this corruption…I mean that wound and the dagger…
Matt: ...that is another source…
Brandon: Mat managed to fight it off pretty much completely; well, not completely, but we don’t see Mat running around paranoid anymore. Elaida gave it something to feed upon, and it was very, very small and subtle with Elaida, but certainly that was an influence.

Squocka
01-24-2011, 11:09 PM
Yeah i think The Tinkers Song in High Chant could be a pretty good possibilty considering Perrins Song/Tinker foreshadowing

jana
01-25-2011, 08:52 PM
I've always wanted the Song to never be found, but I sort of like the idea that the line was foreshadowing for that.

Jonai
01-28-2011, 02:24 AM
If Rand really is the destroyer, I wish he'd destroy Perrin. We don't need that wussy animated beard around anymore after Shai-tan is buried in the Can Breat.

Insane Ducky
01-28-2011, 11:14 AM
Is there a reason why we're dismissing the dark prophecy's mention of the Seed of the Hammer?

"Again the seed slays ancient wrong, before the Great Lord comes..."

Have the Seanchan done anything that qualifies as "slaying the ancient wrong again?"

GonzoTheGreat
01-28-2011, 11:38 AM
Have the Seanchan done anything that qualifies as "slaying the ancient wrong again?"A good question, to which the obvious answer is "Duh?"

Another interesting feature is that they're gonna burn down Avendesora, apparently:
"The seed of the Hammer burns the ancient tree."

Terez
01-28-2011, 12:24 PM
Is there a reason why we're dismissing the dark prophecy's mention of the Seed of the Hammer?

"Again the seed slays ancient wrong, before the Great Lord comes..."

Have the Seanchan done anything that qualifies as "slaying the ancient wrong again?"
Tuon is going to kill Moridin. It's all clear now.

GonzoTheGreat
01-28-2011, 03:22 PM
Tuon is going to kill Moridin. It's all clear now.She does have a cape, so she is adequately accoutred.

Terez
01-28-2011, 03:25 PM
And her prophecies clearly say that she will defeat those who serve the Shadow and then send Rand into the Pit of Doom to duel with Lighteater.

Insane Ducky
01-28-2011, 04:20 PM
I think Tarabon was the ancient tree, last I checked.

I'm missing the duh thing. I don't know what the spoiler rules for this thread are, so I don't want to discuss anything too far ahead, but nothing comes to mind.

GonzoTheGreat
01-28-2011, 04:32 PM
I'd cleverly appended a question mark after the duh, to signify that it was not a definite duh*, but rather an indefinite one, based on the fact that there is nothing which should clearly come to mind. Does that clarify things a bit?

* That would've been "Duh!", of course.

BigBadWolfbrother
01-29-2011, 01:26 PM
I suspect Perrin is going to deliver an important speech.


He does have a knack for saying the simplest things that turn people to his ta'veren wims.

My predictions:

He will convince EVERYbody gathered at the "Field" that Rand isn't loony, the seals MUST be broken, and they should actually listen to the Dragon "this time around".

He will convince Gawyn to use his bloodknives to assassinate ALL remaining Seanchan "Blood" so that there is no more worry of the future being controlled by them and their nasty collars and leashes. This fulfills this "future teetering on the edge of a blade" prophecy that has been bantered about recently.



"It's just a weave not a rug dammit!"

Spasmodean
02-06-2011, 01:29 PM
Surely the bit about Seeds and ancient wrongs refer to the fact that no-one on this side of the Aryth ocean kept the oaths, as Seanchan would put it.

ScoundrelTheToy
02-09-2011, 09:49 PM
He does have a knack for saying the simplest things that turn people to his ta'veren wims.

My predictions:

He will convince EVERYbody gathered at the "Field" that Rand isn't loony, the seals MUST be broken, and they should actually listen to the Dragon "this time around".

He will convince Gawyn to use his bloodknives to assassinate ALL remaining Seanchan "Blood" so that there is no more worry of the future being controlled by them and their nasty collars and leashes. This fulfills this "future teetering on the edge of a blade" prophecy that has been bantered about recently.


Naw. Egwene's true dream in CoT in the chapter, "in the night" pretty clearly, to me at least, gives us a 'clear' description of how the meeting at the FOM is going to go down.

1st paragraph of dream --> Rand/Perrin bring people to his side of the arguement.

2nd paragraph of dream --> Moiraine arrives and sides with Rand, and brings the house down. This will leave Egwene with only her 'select' Aes Sedai left or her dedicated followers staying on her side.

3rd paragraph of dream --> Egwene in desperation, allies with Tuon (this will blow fans minds *chuckles*).

I feel this true dream would have never been understood beforehand if the books went KOD --> AMOL like Robert Jordan planned. Giving us TGS, and more imporantly, TOM (FOM meeting/breaking the seals plot focus) lets us understand this dream. It's the same deal with Hawkwing's sword Justice that everyone, for the most part, before TGS assumed any prophecy dealing with a sword referred to Callandor.

Again the seed slays ancient wrong, before the Great Lord comes..."

That part of the prophecy I interpert as having to do with the whole Aes Sedai/Hawkwing/Seanchan mess. I don't know all the particulars like others do, but from what I understand, Hawkwing was 'wronged' by Aes Sedai and Tuon will somehow fix this; pet theory would be Tuon/Egwene/Matrim circle solving this 'ancient wrong'.

As for the topic of this thread, the 'innocent' Perrin quote that Terez picked out would seem most likely. Whether it's Perrin and the Tinkers, or Perrin making a compelling speech at FOM is possible as well. But I favor Perrin and the Tinkers plotline being resolved, or solved in some manner.

Ancalagon
05-16-2011, 06:59 AM
Very offtopic, but going back to Gawyn being torn between his oaths and his "Mothers", does anyone else think its very weird that he has to refer to Egwene as Mother? It makes their relationship sound almost incestuous.

Chazle
05-17-2011, 03:21 PM
Very offtopic, but going back to Gawyn being torn between his oaths and his "Mothers", does anyone else think its very weird that he has to refer to Egwene as Mother? It makes their relationship sound almost incestuous.

No, it makes perfect sense. I think we've already seen this plot line play out.

He was torn between his duty to his mother's throne, and Egwene is "Mother"...choosing between his duty to andor and duty to AS.

(He chose the Aes Sedai, btw)

Ancalagon
05-17-2011, 05:39 PM
Thats not what I meant. I meant the word Mother, for most of us, refers to the woman who gave birth to us. He will be using it to refer to his lover. I know the reason for it, but doesnt it sound the least bit wrong to you?

nameless
05-17-2011, 06:58 PM
There's always been an element of incest in the Arthurian stories. It's not usually between Gawain and Guinevere, but maybe that part of the story changed over the years.