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Terez
06-20-2011, 03:09 PM
As some of you may have noticed, this forum has about fifty moderators. About half of them are currently active members, and about half of those regularly check in on the WoT forums. As a general rule, Theorylanders are lazy, and therefore aside from spam-zapping you won't see much moderator action here and most of it will be from my direction because I live here and I like for things to be somewhat organized. So, rules (and not very prohibitive ones).

1. Tamyrlin and Nae'blis are known to step in and settle flamewars. I don't do this because I am usually involved. (Contrary to popular belief this is easy enough to avoid.) I will, however, be rather hard on trolling, because trolling makes me angry, and me being angry is bad for everyone.

2. Egwene-hate. It shall be confined to one thread (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6662) only. It is totally irrelevant to most discussions, but somehow it always comes up. When it is relevant to discussions, it usually degenerates quickly into a series-spanning quotefest in order to prove how horrible she is. Threads which degenerate into this sort of thing will be subject to merging into the One Thread. Threadstarters should attempt to moderate their threads in this respect lest their threads become forfeit; members should respect the requests of the thread-starter. (Individual posts can be moved.)

3. The question thread (vhttp://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5543). It should not degenerate into longwinded discussions about anything. If it's that interesting, start a new thread. I often will move posts and much more rarely even (soft) delete them.

4. Create interesting threads, but don't be intimidated. The question thread is for simple questions; otherwise, think outside the typical Wheel of Time discussions. We love it when noobs post a question or thought that we haven't considered.

5. Don't start fights, and please, for the love of the BIWIDNB, don't start fights with me. You may of course disagree with me, but consider the below.

6. Make use of the available resources (see my sig). We don't expect you to know everything or anything close to it; I don't know everything, and most of the old-timers here don't know as much as me (though I imagine some of them have forgotten more than I ever knew; I'm getting there myself). It's okay; you don't have to be an expert to be a Hard Core Fan Freak. But there should be a more or less balanced ratio between 1) how much you avail yourself of those resources and 2) how aggressively opinionated you are. It's only common sense. If you think you have this great theory, try googling it first off, like 'OLVER IS GAIDAL CAIN' and see what you get. If that doesn't get you anything, then dig into the resources in my sig.

7. Aside from the aforementioned exceptions, threadjacking is not prohibited in any way (aside from aggressive derailing, otherwise known as trolling), because that's just how we roll. Any thread (aside from the question thread) is subject to being jacked by an unrelated or even inane discussion (as long as it's not Egwene). If it's WoT-relevant, it usually helps to add tags to the thread so that people can see from the forum menu what each thread contains.

8. Quotes are good. Since we (the old-timers) often expect everyone to take our word for what we say about the books, we can often seem too demanding of noobs when it comes to quotes. Usually that's because we have a thorough-enough knowledge of the series to know when someone is saying something that isn't true. Sometimes we will know exactly which quote you are referring to, and exactly how you misinterpreted it, and we'll ask you to dig up the quote just to see if you'll figure it out on your own. That being said, we are happy to provide quotes for our own assertions upon request; we just get lazy. Every now and then, we are even guilty of having misinterpreted something ourselves.

9. Keep in mind that new members are by default noobs until we have reason to believe otherwise. No offense is meant; we simply remember what it was like when we were noobs and we didn't know anything, and we assume most noobs are like we were. In other words, don't be surprised if we assume you don't have a very thorough knowledge of WoT because you are a new member, especially if you have already made mistakes. We are very good at this; we can usually tell how much WoT-fu you have after a few posts.

10. From Tamyrlin himself: "We are HCFFs - You can be too." In other words, jump in, whether you have the fu or not. We only have a year or so left to theorize, and it should be good fun.

P.S. - From time to time we give special privileges to members that might run contrary to the rules above because the community seems to have accepted their brand of freak into the fold. If you encounter such and it is not your "cup of freak tea", don't forget the forums have a built in ignore feature.

cindy
06-21-2011, 05:57 PM
sorry, i didn't realize the thread i started was stupid, because it was interesting to me, which i know means nothing to most of the humans.

no hard feelings if you delete it. i don't think anyone else cares, either. :o

Terez
06-21-2011, 06:13 PM
I'm not sure which thread you're talking about. I'm pretty sure I haven't merged any of your threads, and I haven't deleted any threads at all. Just some posts here and there (and none of yours).

cindy
06-21-2011, 06:50 PM
the silly one about the postscript from dickens our mutual friend in other books discussion. maybe it's ok to be dumb in other books discussion? cause i can't tell ahead of time how dumb i am. :o sorry. ignore me if i'm being even sillier here, please, again sorry.

Terez
06-21-2011, 07:09 PM
haha, well...I found your thread, and it's not dumb, but I suppose I can see why it didn't get much discussion. For one, there aren't many Dickens fans around here, despite RJ's love for the guy. For another, the point of the post seems to be anti-Theoryland? But I didn't see it till just now, so I wasn't purposefully ignoring it for those reasons. And no need to apologize.

cindy
06-21-2011, 07:19 PM
but it wasn't meant to be antitheoryland, just the opposite.

dickens was paving the way for the kinds of things RJ did, weaving threads of patterns throughout months (in RJ's case years) of publications, and expecting that at least some readers would be able to see the weave of the pattern by deduction and reason, and recall of the whole. something that was not assumed to be true when he started doing it. austen does it too, especially in emma, the concealing and revealing at the same time, the placing of small hints that only become obvious on re-reads.

so i'm glad that it wasn't dumb, but i'm sorry it sounded anti theoryland. it wasn't meant to be.

and now, though it is permitted, i'll stop this threadjacking, just wanted to clarify that, cause i never expected it to be taken that way.

i just took it as a dickensian baby step toward the kind of active, thinking, reading and solving that RJs writing would expand into a project of so many years, with so many threads to be recalled and understood.

'k, thanks for responding, bye :)

Terez
06-21-2011, 07:23 PM
Ah, I thought it was one of those 'you can't figure out what RJ intended so there's no point bothering' kind of things. And no worries about threadjacking. People are allowed to discuss the rules.

Spidy
06-22-2011, 05:11 AM
Actually, they don't.

But lets have some anyway.

Ishara
06-22-2011, 09:40 PM
Spidy, come join us in Tel'aran'rhiod. ;)

greatwolf
06-23-2011, 05:54 AM
I don't do this because I am usually involved. (Contrary to popular belief this is easy enough to avoid


What do you mean you're easy to avoid?:confused:


4. Don't start dumb threads.


From you?:)


5. Don't start fights,
Does that mean you want to reform?:)

Jokeslayer
06-23-2011, 07:16 AM
What do you mean you're easy to avoid?:confused:





From you?:)





Does that mean you want to reform?:)

I expect this to end well.

greatwolf, if you want to discuss the rules or Terez's enforcement of them, a more constructive tone would be helpful.

Terez
06-23-2011, 08:59 AM
Vardene is, like Felix, immanently ignorable.

The Unreasoner
06-23-2011, 12:50 PM
Am I allowed to cry now?

Tamyrlin
06-23-2011, 12:53 PM
Am I allowed to cry now?

Crying is allowed. ;)

The Unreasoner
06-23-2011, 01:05 PM
You know however hilarious I find the existence of rules, it's not worth posting here.
It's like I'm under god damn compulsion.
Laughing/crying my ass off, whichever best pleases terez and the boss.
-The real Unreasoner

Jokeslayer
06-23-2011, 06:43 PM
7. Aside from the aforementioned exceptions, threadjacking is not prohibited in any way (aside from aggressive derailing, otherwise known as trolling), because that's just how we roll. Any thread (aside from the question thread) is subject to being jacked by an unrelated or even inane discussion (as long as it's not Egwene). If it's WoT-relevant, it usually helps to add tags to the thread so that people can see from the forum menu what each thread contains.

Just to be clear, does this include non-wot-themed derailing of wot-themed threads on the wot boards?

Terez
06-23-2011, 07:12 PM
Eh, in general I think we should probably try to avoid it. But in certain cases, real-world things are relevant to discussion.

Jokeslayer
06-23-2011, 07:29 PM
That's pretty much what I figured, thanks.

greatwolf
06-24-2011, 06:41 AM
I expect this to end well.

greatwolf, if you want to discuss the rules or Terez's enforcement of them, a more constructive tone would be helpful.

~groans~

You want me to get constructive with Terez? :D

GonzoTheGreat
06-24-2011, 07:32 AM
Constructive or productive, that's just quibbling over words, isn't it?

Zombie Sammael
06-24-2011, 07:37 AM
Constructive or productive, that's just quibbling over words, isn't it?

Well, that depends on whether a Gholam is a construct or a product....

Oh, wait. Sorry.

Ishara
06-28-2011, 11:15 AM
~groans~

You want me to get constructive with Terez? :D

Do you want us to take you seriously? ;)

the_collective
06-28-2011, 06:17 PM
Well, that depends on whether a Gholam is a construct or a product....

I laughed out loud at work when I saw this. Well played, sir. Well played...

The Unreasoner
06-28-2011, 06:56 PM
oh. i always thought zombie sammael was a girl.
i'm a dumbass

sorry zombie

Zombie Sammael
06-29-2011, 03:22 AM
oh. i always thought zombie sammael was a girl.
i'm a dumbass

sorry zombie

I refuse to disclose one way or another, actually...

Spidy
06-29-2011, 09:55 AM
@ Unreasoner

And that my friend is why you fail.

GonzoTheGreat
06-29-2011, 10:12 AM
I refuse to disclose one way or another, actually...I'm not sure you've send out enough embarrassing pictures on Twitter to be allowed a refusal to disclose.

Zombie Sammael
06-29-2011, 10:55 AM
I'm not sure you've send out enough embarrassing pictures on Twitter to be allowed a refusal to disclose.

Oh okay. I refuse to disclose one way or the other, actually, but the fact that all of my aliases are boy's names might give you a hint.

The Unreasoner
06-29-2011, 11:17 AM
Yes, gnat really gave it away, lol, I should have known from Blaise.

Zombie Sammael
06-30-2011, 09:40 AM
Yes, gnat really gave it away, lol, I should have known from Blaise.

You mean like Modesty Blaise (http://www.laurenhenderson.net/tartcity/modesty.html)?

Zombie Sammael
08-01-2011, 02:09 PM
What's the official line on profanity?

The Unreasoner
08-01-2011, 02:14 PM
Closest I could find:
Addendum 2 to Addendum 4: Please no angry profanity.
If you really need to tell someone off, be creative. And replacing characters with @$$ does NOT constitute creativity. I like tend to like the Shakespearean approach myself. The smarter and more subtle you are with it, just makes the person look that much more an idiot.


I guess it depends on if he was angry or clinical lol.

Terez
08-01-2011, 05:02 PM
The official line on profanity: you can use it as much as you like, so long as it's not used as an insult. (Certain words, such as the one Ishara edited, are almost always used as insults.)

Ishara
08-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Also, I don't care if you do use it "clinically". It's a misogynistic, disgusting epithet and I absolutely refuse to see it degrade these boards. Whether it's part of the "rules" or not.

The Unreasoner
08-01-2011, 09:06 PM
Also, I don't care if you do use it "clinically". It's a misogynistic, disgusting epithet and I absolutely refuse to see it degrade these boards. Whether it's part of the "rules" or not.

Please, Ish. I was mocking the notion that Bix being a psychologist might somehow make it okay. Some words serve no purpose other than degradation, and this is one of them.

Zombie Sammael
08-02-2011, 05:42 AM
Also, I don't care if you do use it "clinically". It's a misogynistic, disgusting epithet and I absolutely refuse to see it degrade these boards. Whether it's part of the "rules" or not.

I see your point but despite having absolutely no desire to get into it you should bear in mind that sometimes people do make attempts to reclaim the word, with various goals and levels of success. It just might come up in non-WOT at some point though I can't see its relevance here.

yks 6nnetu hing
08-02-2011, 06:31 AM
I see your point but despite having absolutely no desire to get into it you should bear in mind that sometimes people do make attempts to reclaim the word, with various goals and levels of success. It just might come up in non-WOT at some point though I can't see it's relevance here.

non-WoT is a whole another can of worms than the WoT board. We generally try really hard to keep the discussions civil on WoT boards but on non-WoT the rules are much more... lax.

FelixPax
08-08-2011, 01:41 PM
I'm curious why did "The Unreasoner" get banned by Terez27, as I understand it?


What is claimed to have occurred? Why issue a global ban?

Terez
08-08-2011, 01:44 PM
I'm curious why did "The Unreasoner" get banned by Terez27, as I understand it?
It was a two-day suspension, which will be done tomorrow. I deleted one of his posts for trolling. He reposted it. I deleted it again. He reposted it again. Etc., until he finally decided to put it in his sig where I couldn't delete it. Hence the two-day suspension, partly to let him know that he needs to accept mod decisions (or simply PM Nae'blis in cases where he does not), and partly to give Tam time to deal with it in his own fashion.

confused at birth
08-24-2011, 11:46 AM
Terez
Ok I am new to posting here but I just spent a very long time rereading the old threads and got back to the home page to find that there was now about 14 pages of new ones for me to work on
I have read more of your comments than I can remember and they seems to be about 4 types genius with deep knowledge, voice of reason (well sometimes), menopause stuck in traffic and pointing out that something is an old topic.
So no offence but after reading what feels like enough of your writing to fill war and peace Moderator feels a little strange.:confused::D
Not trying to start a fight at all but this does amuse me.

And didnít the Egwene bashing thread sort of get hijacked by other things as well after 20+ pages, not that I cared to much only viewed that for the defenders posts which tend be funnier than the bashing ones.

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 01:16 PM
Terez
Ok I am new to posting here but I just spent a very long time rereading the old threads and got back to the home page to find that there was now about 14 pages of new ones for me to work on
I have read more of your comments than I can remember and they seems to be about 4 types genius with deep knowledge, voice of reason (well sometimes), menopause stuck in traffic and pointing out that something is an old topic.
So no offence but after reading what feels like enough of your writing to fill war and peace Moderator feels a little strange.:confused::D
Not trying to start a fight at all but this does amuse me.

And didnít the Egwene bashing thread sort of get hijacked by other things as well after 20+ pages, not that I cared to much only viewed that for the defenders posts which tend be funnier than the bashing ones.

Big difference between a thread that goes off topic and one that is basically being trolled. We try hard to keep the WoT boards only for WoT discussions. While we may let some remarks go at times, as long as they are related to WoT, we try to keep trolling to a minimum. Remember, this baord and the other WoT boards are very heavily moderated.

If you want to get in on a flame war, then we have specifically created the Non-WoT board for that purpose. It is minimally moderated and there for the purpose of keeping things clean on the WoT boards.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me and we can discuss issues you might be having.

Thanks,
Sei'taer

confused at birth
08-24-2011, 01:51 PM
i actually tried say i wasnt trying to start something just that i think its kind of funny.

no real issues havent seen trolling outside this website

i didnt really think it was to of topic as this about the rules and comments on noobs were included in the beginning

sorry if anyone was offendined as i said im new

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 02:23 PM
i actually tried say i wasnt trying to start something just that i think its kind of funny.

no real issues havent seen trolling outside this website

i didnt really think it was to of topic as this about the rules and comments on noobs were included in the beginning

sorry if anyone was offendined as i said im new

No offense taken, just explaining the difference in the boards and why things may seem a little strange to someone new. Enjoy the discussions and have fun!

confused at birth
08-24-2011, 02:30 PM
i am trying to have fun

i am also using this as a reason not to do my PLC's homework which is insanly boring

confused at birth
08-24-2011, 02:34 PM
by the way how would making you prime minister help with my confusion.

or how do i PM might be a better question

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 03:28 PM
by the way how would making you prime minister help with my confusion.

or how do i PM might be a better question

Click on my name at the top of the post and a menu will drop down. One of the options is "Send a private message" If you look up at the top right, just above the search and quick link options, there is orange script that says "private messages." That's where you'll see if you have one. It also shows all the old ones.

Also, i don't know if you've done it yet, because I'm lazy, there is an introduction board that you can go to that has a list of rules and also tells you how some things operate. I don't really remember what all is on there though. I was a noob many years ago.

Davian93
08-24-2011, 04:19 PM
Click on my name at the top of the post and a menu will drop down. One of the options is "Send a private message" If you look up at the top right, just above the search and quick link options, there is orange script that says "private messages." That's where you'll see if you have one. It also shows all the old ones.

Also, i don't know if you've done it yet, because I'm lazy, there is an introduction board that you can go to that has a list of rules and also tells you how some things operate. I don't really remember what all is on there though. I was a noob many years ago.

I think the correct term is "decades" not years at this point.

confused at birth
08-24-2011, 04:37 PM
how many decades?

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 04:57 PM
how many decades?

Almost 12 years, Davian was just trying to be funny. Been reading WoT since 1991 though so I guess that's decades.

Crispin's Crispian
08-24-2011, 05:12 PM
Almost 12 years, Davian was just trying to be funny. Been reading WoT since 1991 though so I guess that's decades.

You're actually at a score. SCORE!

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 05:14 PM
You're actually at a score. SCORE!

You've been at TL longer than me though, you old fart.

Crispin's Crispian
08-24-2011, 05:18 PM
You've been at TL longer than me though, you old fart.

I think you came a few months before. I remember it being January of 2000 for me.

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 05:53 PM
I think you came a few months before. I remember it being January of 2000 for me.

Nope, I was here a couple of weeks after you. Anyone who tells you different is wrong because I never had another name first...this is the only name I've ever used.

Juan
08-24-2011, 08:48 PM
You guys are old. Could you tell me what really happened to the dinosaurs? :P

confused at birth
08-24-2011, 08:53 PM
maybe they ate them for arguing their asmo theories:D

Sei'taer
08-24-2011, 09:06 PM
maybe they ate them for arguing their asmo theories:D

More than likely the Rand has 1 5/8 souls...although taimendred got pretty nasty at times. Y'all should have seen the wars we used to have over the origins of Sa'angreal and it's relation to sangreal.

Terez
08-26-2011, 12:27 PM
Recent posts have been moved to the Lews Therin thread since they were mostly about that. Temporary lock on this thread until people get out of the habit of spamming it.

Edit: It's open. No spamming the thread; it's for the discussion of the rules.

Tamyrlin
05-17-2012, 10:07 PM
(in case Mods were wondering who unstickied it.

Zombie Sammael
05-18-2012, 05:15 AM
(in case Mods were wondering who unstickied it.

Does that mean we don't need rules any more? :p

Tomp
05-18-2012, 06:36 AM
Does that mean we don't need rules any more? :p

It probably means the rules can't be sticky.
You'd have to wash every time after you've touched on a rule.

GonzoTheGreat
05-18-2012, 07:03 AM
Does that mean we don't need rules any more? :p
Tam|8:32 And ye shall know the rules, and the rules shall be set free.

Zombie Sammael
05-18-2012, 08:39 AM
It probably means the rules can't be sticky.
You'd have to wash every time after you've touched on a rule.

If I had a run in with the rules, that would be a sticky situation though, wouldn't it?

Tomp
05-18-2012, 10:56 AM
If I had a run in with the rules, that would be a sticky situation though, wouldn't it?

Yeah the sticky stuff should be on the inside.
The point being that you're only in a sticky situation if you break the rules.

Hmm...
Maybe we have gone a bit astray on the subject.