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Seeker
10-26-2011, 04:03 PM
Mat and Elayne are just adorable together. They have a chemistry that developed very naturally and very believably. "Expurgation means 'parts cut out,' Mat." So cute.

Oh... I'm getting all verklempt!

Talk amongst yourselves! I'll give you a topic: "Shipping Mat and Elayne." Discuss.

Crispin's Crispian
10-26-2011, 04:06 PM
Mat and Elayne are just adorable together. They have a chemistry that developed very naturally and very believably. "Expurgation means 'parts cut out,' Mat." So cute.

Oh... I'm getting all verklempt!

Talk amongst yourselves! I'll give you a topic: "Shipping Mat and Elayne." Discuss.

Shipping them where? Do the Sea Folk deal in human cargo?

Gilshalos Sedai
10-26-2011, 04:09 PM
He thinks Mat and Elayne would be better together than they are with their current love interests. It would give us back the Princess and the Rogue trope that Mat + Tuon sorta fails on (for me, at least).

I also think Avi would have been better for Perrin, but I may be alone in that.

Good luck not getting this thing hijacked, Seeker. :D

Seeker
10-26-2011, 04:09 PM
Shipping is when the fans decide two characters belong together. It's short for "relationshipping."

Seeker
10-26-2011, 04:10 PM
Didn't anyone watch Saturday Night Live in the 90s?

SauceyBlueConfetti
10-26-2011, 04:15 PM
It was, after all, my own faction:

http://theoryland.com/factions.php?func=4&rec=81

and the support for it was...well, overwhelming :D

Gilshalos Sedai
10-26-2011, 04:19 PM
Well... they may belong together but that's as far as it'll ever go.

Crispin's Crispian
10-26-2011, 04:21 PM
He thinks Mat and Elayne would be better together than they are with their current love interests. It would give us back the Princess and the Rogue trope that Mat + Tuon sorta fails on (for me, at least).

Shipping is when the fans decide two characters belong together. It's short for "relationshipping."

Good lord. Give me a little credit, people.

:rolleyes:

Gilshalos Sedai
10-26-2011, 04:21 PM
Good lord. Give me a little credit, people.

:rolleyes:


Master Card, Lady Visa, or Lord Discover?

Crispin's Crispian
10-26-2011, 04:22 PM
Master Card, Lady Visa, or Lord Discover?

I only shop at Costco, so AMEX. ;)

Crispin's Crispian
10-26-2011, 04:24 PM
Well... they may belong together but that's as far as it'll ever go.

I don't know about Mat and Tuon...seems alright. But Elayne and Rand aren't really together much at all. They spent a few days in Tear, and a few minutes (sorry Rand) in Caemlyn. It's not like they're soulmates.

And I think the Mat/Tuon thing is supposed to be awkward and strange. That's what makes it so funny.

Gilshalos Sedai
10-26-2011, 04:24 PM
I only shop at Costco, so AMEX. ;)

Ah, New World Express.

Gilshalos Sedai
10-26-2011, 04:24 PM
I don't know about Mat and Tuon...seems alright. But Elayne and Rand aren't really together much at all. They spent a few days in Tear, and a few minutes (sorry Rand) in Caemlyn. It's not like they're soulmates.

And I think the Mat/Tuon thing is supposed to be awkward and strange. That's what makes it so funny.

But... it's lame awkward and strange.

Landro
10-26-2011, 04:49 PM
They spent a few days in Tear, and a few minutes (sorry Rand) in Caemlyn.

I think the bonding took a bit longer than just a few minutes. They may have spent a few seconds on trivialities though :P

Seeker
10-26-2011, 04:52 PM
It was, after all, my own faction:

http://theoryland.com/factions.php?func=4&rec=81

and the support for it was...well, overwhelming :D

If I recall correctly, I asked you to make that faction just so I could join it. Ah, memories. I was a youngling at the time. Saucy was an elder, I believe.

Onward, what makes me like Mat and Elayne for a pairing is that they have very good chemistry. The story would need some fleshing out, certainly but the foundation is there. What works for them is that under their animosity is a genuine affection, concern for each other and just a hint of sexual tension.

All you'd need is a scene where Elayne confesses her worries about retaking the throne and admits to Mat - and no one else - that sometimes she wonders if she's really cut out to be a leader.

Not sure of what to say, Mat puts his arm around her shoulder and Elayne rests her head on his chest. Then, almost simultaneously, they realize what's happening and pull apart. Elayne gets all prim and proper, thanking Mat for keeping what she said in confidence.

Mat bows his head and tips his hat to her with a few "My ladies." or some such. Then he goes out and drinks and mutters about women.

JOS
10-26-2011, 04:53 PM
He thinks Mat and Elayne would be better together than they are with their current love interests. It would give us back the Princess and the Rogue trope that Mat + Tuon sorta fails on (for me, at least).

I also think Avi would have been better for Perrin, but I may be alone in that.

Good luck not getting this thing hijacked, Seeker. :D

When Rand, Faile and Tuon die in aMoL, their former significant others will need some lovin', and Ta'veren do seem to accelerate such unions with pervasiveness.

Don't lose hope! It could happen! Min could end up with Uno!

Gilshalos Sedai
10-26-2011, 04:53 PM
When Rand, Faile and Tuon die in aMoL, their former significant others will need some lovin', and Ta'veren do seem to accelerate such unions with pervasiveness.

Don't lose hope! It could happen! Min could end up with Uno!

:rolleyes:

David Selig
10-26-2011, 07:18 PM
I want to join the faction, I've always thought Mat and Elayne have a lot of chemistry. RJ should've made them a coupl instead of the ridiculous "Rand + 3 women who are totally OK with it mess" and the forced "We are prophesied to get married, so we might as well get to it" Mat and Tuon storyline.

Rand al'Fain
10-26-2011, 10:51 PM
I think I threw up a little in my mouth.

Mat and Elayne is like putting an attack dog in the same room as a burgaler. It won't end well.

GonzoTheGreat
10-27-2011, 05:52 AM
Mat keeps thinking that now that he's a married man, he shouldn't seduce any other women anymore. That is such a persistent issue that it is almost certainly wrong. So eventually, he'll learn that Tuon expects him to "have a hobby", or whatever ever the Seanchan term for it is. And as for the fact that Elayne can channel:
"I was looking for a Windfinder, High Lady," he said hastily, making a leg and thinking as fast as he ever had in his life. "She did me a favor once, and I thought she might like something from the kitchens. Some pastries, or the like. I didn't see her, though. I suppose she wasn't caught when. . . ." He trailed off, staring. The stern judicial mask the girl always wore for a face had melted into a smile. She really was beautiful.
"That is very kind of you," she said. "It's good to know you are kind to damans. But you must be careful. There are men who actually take damane to their beds." Her full mouth twisted in disgust. "You would not want anyone to think you are perverted." That severe expression settled on her face again. All prisoners would be executed immediately.Tuon has had time to get used to the idea. Though now I'm wondering who the third of the "Tree Women" will be. Aludra?

Davian93
10-27-2011, 09:19 AM
He thinks Mat and Elayne would be better together than they are with their current love interests. It would give us back the Princess and the Rogue trope that Mat + Tuon sorta fails on (for me, at least).

I also think Avi would have been better for Perrin, but I may be alone in that.

Good luck not getting this thing hijacked, Seeker. :D

Mat: There's no time to discuss it as a committee

Elayne: I am NOT a Committee!!!


So much lost by such a simple mistake...I too wish they were together. Screw Rand and his selfish 3 women fantasies.


Mat: Look, Your Worship, I'm only trying to help.

Elayne: Would you PLEASE stop calling me that!

Mat: Sure, Elayne.

Elayne: Oh, you make it so difficult sometimes.

Mat: I do, I really do. You could be a little nicer though. Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all right.

Elayne: Occasionally, when you aren't acting like a scoundrel.

Mat: Scoundrel, scoundrel, I like the sound of that.

~takes her hands~

Elayne: Stop that.

Mat: Stop what?

Elayne: Stop that! My hands are dirty.

Mat: My hands are dirty too, what are you afraid of?

Elayne: Afraid?

Mat: You're trembling.

Elayne: I'm not trembling.

Mat: You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life.

Elayne: I happen to like nice men.

Mat: I'm a nice man

Elayne: No, you're not, you're...

~Mat takes Elayne in his arms and they start kissing~

~Talmanes bursts in~

Talmanes: Sir, Sir, I've isolated the reverse power flux coupling!!!

yks 6nnetu hing
10-27-2011, 09:45 AM
I think the bonding took a bit longer than just a few minutes. They may have spent a few seconds on trivialities though :P
bonding takes about 10 seconds, if that. Going by the description of Alanna's bonding Rand.

GonzoTheGreat
10-27-2011, 09:49 AM
bonding takes about 10 seconds, if that. Going by the description of Alanna's bonding Rand.Oh, a few minutes are enough for that.

Davian93
10-27-2011, 10:01 AM
bonding takes about 10 seconds, if that. Going by the description of Alanna's bonding Rand.

Rand and Elayne have maybe 4.5 - 5.0 days of actual "relationship" if you put all the times they've hung out together in a row.

tEotW: 1-2 hrs where she sees him on the Palace wall, startles him, bandages him and then gets escorted to see Morgase...max.

TGH: Maybe saw his unconscious body at Falme before she shipped back to the WT with Verin, Egwene, Nynaeve and Mat...(note: She spends months with Mat here though...nursing him along with the others.)

TDR: Perhaps catches a glimpse of him in the Stone at the end?

TSR: Spends 4 days with him before she goes to Tanchico and he goes to the Waste...this is the high water mark of their relationship where their supposed lustful mutual crush turns into a love match of soulmates...Riighhhtttt

tFoH: Nope

LoC: Nope

CoS: Nope

PoD: Nope

WH: All 3 bond Rand and he then hooks up with Elayne finally consummating this historic lovematch. Rand then leaves with his real girlfriend who is shockingly not jealous of his escapades because...um, he's a ta'veren or something. I'll be generous and say this took 4-6 hrs total.

CoT: Nope

KoD: Nope

TGS: Nope

ToM: Nope


Great relationship building there. They are "in love" because RJ tells us they are. There is no basis for a real relationship. Mat and Elayne, on the other hand have weeks to months of time together and a natural chemistry.

Ishara
10-27-2011, 10:09 AM
If I recall correctly, I asked you to make that faction just so I could join it. Ah, memories. I was a youngling at the time. Saucy was an elder, I believe.

Onward, what makes me like Mat and Elayne for a pairing is that they have very good chemistry. The story would need some fleshing out, certainly but the foundation is there. What works for them is that under their animosity is a genuine affection, concern for each other and just a hint of sexual tension.

All you'd need is a scene where Elayne confesses her worries about retaking the throne and admits to Mat - and no one else - that sometimes she wonders if she's really cut out to be a leader.

Not sure of what to say, Mat puts his arm around her shoulder and Elayne rests her head on his chest. Then, almost simultaneously, they realize what's happening and pull apart. Elayne gets all prim and proper, thanking Mat for keeping what she said in confidence.

Mat bows his head and tips his hat to her with a few "My ladies." or some such. Then he goes out and drinks and mutters about women.

ROFLMAO.

Like Cartman and Wendy...heh.

I like the tension between these two. I'd like it to stay that way.

But I have to say that while I was reading Dav's post, I kept thinking: something about this is familiar and hysterical. And then: RJ didn't write this... And then: ooooh.:o

Gilshalos Sedai
10-27-2011, 11:12 AM
Mat: There's no time to discuss it as a committee

Elayne: I am NOT a Committee!!!


So much lost by such a simple mistake...I too wish they were together. Screw Rand and his selfish 3 women fantasies.


Mat: Look, Your Worship, I'm only trying to help.

Elayne: Would you PLEASE stop calling me that!

Mat: Sure, Elayne.

Elayne: Oh, you make it so difficult sometimes.

Mat: I do, I really do. You could be a little nicer though. Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all right.

Elayne: Occasionally, when you aren't acting like a scoundrel.

Mat: Scoundrel, scoundrel, I like the sound of that.

~takes her hands~

Elayne: Stop that.

Mat: Stop what?

Elayne: Stop that! My hands are dirty.

Mat: My hands are dirty too, what are you afraid of?

Elayne: Afraid?

Mat: You're trembling.

Elayne: I'm not trembling.

Mat: You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life.

Elayne: I happen to like nice men.

Mat: I'm a nice man

Elayne: No, you're not, you're...

~Mat takes Elayne in his arms and they start kissing~

~Talmanes bursts in~

Talmanes: Sir, Sir, I've isolated the reverse power flux coupling!!!

Aw, damn. And I can't rep you.

Seeker
10-27-2011, 01:47 PM
Mat: There's no time to discuss it as a committee

Elayne: I am NOT a Committee!!!


So much lost by such a simple mistake...I too wish they were together. Screw Rand and his selfish 3 women fantasies.


Mat: Look, Your Worship, I'm only trying to help.

Elayne: Would you PLEASE stop calling me that!

Mat: Sure, Elayne.

Elayne: Oh, you make it so difficult sometimes.

Mat: I do, I really do. You could be a little nicer though. Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all right.

Elayne: Occasionally, when you aren't acting like a scoundrel.

Mat: Scoundrel, scoundrel, I like the sound of that.

~takes her hands~

Elayne: Stop that.

Mat: Stop what?

Elayne: Stop that! My hands are dirty.

Mat: My hands are dirty too, what are you afraid of?

Elayne: Afraid?

Mat: You're trembling.

Elayne: I'm not trembling.

Mat: You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life.

Elayne: I happen to like nice men.

Mat: I'm a nice man

Elayne: No, you're not, you're...

~Mat takes Elayne in his arms and they start kissing~

~Talmanes bursts in~

Talmanes: Sir, Sir, I've isolated the reverse power flux coupling!!!

What's funny is I wanted to post this yesterday and worried that no one would get it. (I need to remember who I'm talking to)

Only I would have Nynaeve as Threepio.

Seeker
10-27-2011, 01:53 PM
Rand and Elayne have maybe 4.5 - 5.0 days of actual "relationship" if you put all the times they've hung out together in a row.

tEotW: 1-2 hrs where she sees him on the Palace wall, startles him, bandages him and then gets escorted to see Morgase...max.

TGH: Maybe saw his unconscious body at Falme before she shipped back to the WT with Verin, Egwene, Nynaeve and Mat...(note: She spends months with Mat here though...nursing him along with the others.)

TDR: Perhaps catches a glimpse of him in the Stone at the end?

TSR: Spends 4 days with him before she goes to Tanchico and he goes to the Waste...this is the high water mark of their relationship where their supposed lustful mutual crush turns into a love match of soulmates...Riighhhtttt

tFoH: Nope

LoC: Nope

CoS: Nope

PoD: Nope

WH: All 3 bond Rand and he then hooks up with Elayne finally consummating this historic lovematch. Rand then leaves with his real girlfriend who is shockingly not jealous of his escapades because...um, he's a ta'veren or something. I'll be generous and say this took 4-6 hrs total.

CoT: Nope

KoD: Nope

TGS: Nope

ToM: Nope


Great relationship building there. They are "in love" because RJ tells us they are. There is no basis for a real relationship. Mat and Elayne, on the other hand have weeks to months of time together and a natural chemistry.

Well, it's because RJ uses the horrible love at first sight formula. TO THE EXTREME!

"Hmm, let's see. Rand falls off a wall and the Princess bandages his wounds. Their brains can't repel kismet of that magnitude!"

Gilshalos Sedai
10-27-2011, 02:10 PM
Well, it's because RJ uses the horrible love at first sight formula. TO THE EXTREME!

"Hmm, let's see. Rand falls off a wall and the Princess bandages his wounds. Their brains can't repel kismet of that magnitude!"

~groan~ :D

Seeker
10-27-2011, 06:13 PM
Elayne: I'd just as soon kiss an Ogier!

Mat: I can arrange that! You could use a good kiss!

Davian93
10-27-2011, 07:24 PM
Elayne: I'd just as soon kiss an Ogier!

Mat: I can arrange that! You could use a good kiss!

~Mat looks at Shayol Ghul~

Mat: I'm sure Rand wasn't on that thing when it blew...

Elayne: He wasn't. I can feel it.

Mat: You love him, don't you?

Elayne: Yes.

Mat: All right. I understand. Fine. When he comes
back, I won't get in the way.

Elayne: Oh. No, it's not like that at all. He's my
brother.

~mat is stunned...and they embrace~

Mort
10-27-2011, 08:16 PM
~Mat looks at Shayol Ghul~

Mat: I'm sure Rand wasn't on that thing when it blew...

Elayne: He wasn't. I can feel it.

Mat: You love him, don't you?

Elayne: Yes.

Mat: All right. I understand. Fine. When he comes
back, I won't get in the way.

Elayne: Oh. No, it's not like that at all. He's my
brother.

~mat is stunned...and they embrace~

I bet if we start looking we'll find some shipper fanfic by "someone" named Davian on the net. :)

Seeker
10-27-2011, 10:19 PM
Well, I may as well do this before someone else does it.

~Mat stands outside the Tower of Ghenjei ready to go in.~

Elayne: I love you.

Mat: I know.

________________________________________________

~On the field of battle, Mat crouches protectively over a wounded Elayne. A dozen or so trollocs surround them.~

~Elayne reveals the balefire ter'angreal in her pocket.~

Mat: I love you!

Elayne: I know.

finnssss
10-28-2011, 01:06 AM
Maybe it's just me but I like Tuon and Mat together.

Tuon represents order and is the epitome of hierarchy.
Mat represents chaos and lets face it, he's the epitome of the lower class commoner.

Seeker
10-28-2011, 01:10 AM
I like Tuon as a character but she just didn't have the same chemistry that Mat had with Elayne.

Rand al'Fain
10-28-2011, 01:55 AM
Maybe it's just me but I like Tuon and Mat together.

Tuon represents order and is the epitome of hierarchy.
Mat represents chaos and lets face it, he's the epitome of the lower class commoner.
I agree. Mat and Tuon just work together.

Mat and Elayne, sorry, that just doesn't really sit well with me. Besides, they act more like siblings than a couple.

Davian93
10-28-2011, 07:10 AM
I agree. Mat and Tuon just work together.

Mat and Elayne, sorry, that just doesn't really sit well with me. Besides, they act more like siblings than a couple.

Siblings admire each others rear ends?

Siblings where the brother looks down the sister's dress?


~shudder~

Gilshalos Sedai
10-28-2011, 10:10 AM
Siblings admire each others rear ends?

Siblings where the brother looks down the sister's dress?


~shudder~

Yeah... that's uh... creepy.

Davian93
10-28-2011, 10:14 AM
Yeah... that's uh... creepy.

What said siblings MIGHT look like...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GnUJDWIZQXs/TaBzYIcjhoI/AAAAAAAAAQU/xovrzOXCeqA/s640/LukeLeiaKiss.jpg

Gilshalos Sedai
10-28-2011, 10:51 AM
What said siblings MIGHT look like...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GnUJDWIZQXs/TaBzYIcjhoI/AAAAAAAAAQU/xovrzOXCeqA/s640/LukeLeiaKiss.jpg

You HAD to go there.

Davian93
10-28-2011, 11:08 AM
Well, it seemed relevant given this topic of discussion.

~shudders~