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Res_Ipsa
02-07-2012, 12:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/court-ca-gay-marriage-ban-un-constitutional-175942895.html

So now it will probably go before an en banc hearing of the 9th Circuit and then on to the Supremes. There was really no question how this was coming down, and the joke goes that the USSC takes cases to reverse the 9th Circuit. What it really will come down to is Kennedy, assuming the Supremese feel the time is right to take it up.

www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2012/02/07/case-summary_Perry.pdf

Here is the summary, assuming you do not want to read a 128 page opinion.

Terez
02-07-2012, 12:14 PM
Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about Socialism. Too bad Newt is not doing so good, eh? :D

Gilshalos Sedai
02-07-2012, 12:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/court-ca-gay-marriage-ban-un-constitutional-175942895.html

So now it will probably go before an en banc hearing of the 9th Circuit and then on to the Supremes. There was really no question how this was coming down, and the joke goes that the USSC takes cases to reverse the 9th Circuit. What it really will come down to is Kennedy, assuming the Supremese feel the time is right to take it up.

www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2012/02/07/case-summary_Perry.pdf

Here is the summary, assuming you do not want to read a 128 page opinion.


Hmmm... what was the exact phrasing of that bill?

I wish the same could occur in Texas, but it's doubtful, since it was an amendment to the state constitution and not a law. But hey, I could be pleasantly wrong and it'll get overturned.

Terez
02-07-2012, 12:16 PM
Hmmm... what was the exact phrasing of that bill?

I wish the same could occur in Texas, but it's doubtful, since it was an amendment to the state constitution and not a law. But hey, I could be pleasantly wrong and it'll get overturned.Well, if it goes to SCOTUS and they uphold the ruling, then a bunch of states will all of a sudden have unconstitutional constitutions.

Cor Shan
02-08-2012, 02:26 AM
From what I heard, the decision was based off of CA state law/constitution, not the USA, so it can't be overturned as easily.

But yeah. Let's continue to fight tooth and nail to prevent protection and acceptance of one of the most vulnerable groups in our society. It's not like teenagers committing suicide is a bad thing right?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202

Davian93
02-08-2012, 07:37 AM
From what I heard, the decision was based off of CA state law/constitution, not the USA, so it can't be overturned as easily.

But yeah. Let's continue to fight tooth and nail to prevent protection and acceptance of one of the most vulnerable groups in our society. It's not like teenagers committing suicide is a bad thing right?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202


GOD WILLS IT!
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Res_Ipsa
02-08-2012, 10:12 AM
GOD WILLS IT!
http://www.corporate-aliens.com/quotes/templarmaster.jpg

The history in that movie sucked. Orlando Bloom is the new Richard Geer in First Knight panting while he rides a fake horse and pretends to be all serious.

Davian93
02-08-2012, 10:14 AM
Yeah, its a bit rough on actual history and that's being generous.

The director's cut is actually a pretty good movie regardless of that issue. Ed Norton got robbed of an Oscar thanks to the original studio cut.

Res_Ipsa
02-08-2012, 10:17 AM
Yeah, its a bit rough on actual history and that's being generous.

The director's cut is actually a pretty good movie regardless of that issue. Ed Norton got robbed of an Oscar thanks to the original studio cut.

Have not seen the extended cut. Your point is probably right there bc I had forgotten he was in it as the leper king. I will generally see any movie Edward Norton is in because I like him as an actor that much.

Davian93
02-08-2012, 10:25 AM
Have not seen the extended cut. Your point is probably right there bc I had forgotten he was in it as the leper king. I will generally see any movie Edward Norton is in because I like him as an actor that much.

Its about 90 minutes longer and Norton rocks in it. The theater version is pretty weak while the director's cut is a completely different movie basically. One of Ridley Scott's better efforts.

bowlwoman
02-08-2012, 11:51 AM
From what I heard, the decision was based off of CA state law/constitution, not the USA, so it can't be overturned as easily.

The 9th Circuit made a much narrower ruling than the previous appellate judge and basically said that rescinding the rights already granted to a group of people and leaving some people grandfathered in with those rights is in violation of the Fourteen Amendment.

California's Same-Sex Marriage Ban Is Unconstitutional, Court Says (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/02/07/146526143/prop-8)

Ruling Is On "Narrow Grounds":

In the decision, the judges write that they did not rule on the "broader" issue of whether "same-sex couples may ever be denied the right to marry." That, they said, "is currently a matter of great debate in our nation, and an issue over which people of good will may disagree, sometimes strongly."

They continued: "We need not and do not answer the broader question in this case, however, because California had already extended to committed same-sex couples both the incidents of marriage and the official designation of 'marriage,' and Proposition 8's only effect was to take away that important and legally significant designation, while leaving in place all of its incidents. This unique and strictly limited effect of Proposition 8 allows us to address the amendment's constitutionality on narrow grounds."

I read quite a few articles that state the SCOTUS might refuse to hear the case on the grounds that the ruling being appealed ONLY affects California state law, not anything that can be applied wholesale to other states or Federally.

Cor Shan
02-08-2012, 07:12 PM
In related news, WA, my possible future home, did this today:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Washington-state-lawmakers-pass-gay-marriage-bill-138972754.html