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Tollingtoy
02-24-2012, 11:52 AM
Forgive me if this has been previously addressed, but on my re-read of TGH I noticed that the idea of Sheathing the Sword is mentioned repeatedly. Could this be how Rand dies in AMOL? Dark Rand has a moment of clarity and remembers what Lan told him in Shienar? It seems strange that RJ would spend so much time mentioning this if it was not important. Thoughts?

GonzoTheGreat
02-24-2012, 11:56 AM
The general idea is that Rand used this at the end of TGH, when he got the first never healing wound. Most people (including me) seem to think that it won't be used again.

Great Lord of the Dark
02-24-2012, 06:39 PM
I think there's lots that can be found in the early books that will play a role in A Memory of Light, but Sheathing the Sword is not one of them. Unless it is a metaphorical sheathing, in which Rand takes a wound (is captured, tortured, or killed) in order to get where he needs to be to win the Last Battle. A prophecy or two could be fulfilled this way, and more closely parallel the Jesus Myth.

Terez
02-24-2012, 06:42 PM
Forgive me if this has been previously addressed, but on my re-read of TGH I noticed that the idea of Sheathing the Sword is mentioned repeatedly. Could this be how Rand dies in AMOL? Dark Rand has a moment of clarity and remembers what Lan told him in Shienar? It seems strange that RJ would spend so much time mentioning this if it was not important. Thoughts?
I think it's quite possible that it will come back in a slightly different form, playing into the foreshadowing of Egwene's Accepted test, where Rand begs her to kill him. But if Moridin was involved, it would be too repetitive. If anyone, it will be Gawyn.

Tollingtoy
02-24-2012, 06:52 PM
Terez, very interesting twist. I definitely think Gawyn will play a major role

Rand al'Fain
02-25-2012, 03:33 AM
I think it's quite possible that it will come back in a slightly different form, playing into the foreshadowing of Egwene's Accepted test, where Rand begs her to kill him. But if Moridin was involved, it would be too repetitive. If anyone, it will be Gawyn.

Just a question; What motivation would Gawyn have to kill Rand? Just to blindly follow Egwene's orders? Even for him, that's seems to be pushing it a bit.

The Unreasoner
02-25-2012, 03:42 AM
Frankly, I think the Gawyn v. Rand has played itself out. I do think Gawyn will try to kill Tuon though, and that Cyndane will kill Rand after Rand begs her to. Or maybe she just kills him...the whole 'never harm a woman' thing. Or both.

The one key element of my Grand Theory is that this world has to die. It will be reborn, just as the Dragon rides again on the winds of time, and the whole Dragon/Land thing. But I think the appearance of Fain is the sign the Wheel waits for to push its only reset button, and begin again.

ETA: So, Rand will finally 'agree' with Moridin in a sense, and Sheathe the Sword.

Terez
02-25-2012, 03:48 AM
Just a question; What motivation would Gawyn have to kill Rand? Just to blindly follow Egwene's orders? Even for him, that's seems to be pushing it a bit.
lol. I love how you don't even question Egwene's motivation. But there could be a few motivations at this point. Right now I tend to look at it from the perspective of breaking the seals, and I really doubt Egwene would even give the orders. Gawyn asked for the ability to disobey her if it means protecting her. He would just have to be convinced, either by Egwene or on his own, that the seals being broken would be worse than Rand dying before he's won the Last Battle. It's not hard to see. There is also a possibility it will have something to do with the sentiment expressed in Egwene's Accepted test, but honestly that's where I think Moiraine will come in.

Frankly, I think the Gawyn v. Rand has played itself out.
No one cares. :p

The Unreasoner
02-25-2012, 03:51 AM
lol. I love how you don't even question Egwene's motivation.
hahaha...this deserves some rep, for both of you.
(it's weird, I never really give a crap one way or another about Egwene until an Eglover starts throwing logic out the window to defend her. Then...the BP goes WAY up)

FelixPax
02-25-2012, 06:07 AM
Forgive me if this has been previously addressed, but on my re-read of TGH I noticed that the idea of Sheathing the Sword is mentioned repeatedly.


"Sheathing" themes can be quite funny... it's no accident, you're noticed this Pattern. It's topic worthy of a 'Cows Spies' level of humor, too, if not greater.

Daggers, Knifes, Scabbards, Swords, Human Bodies and even--yes!--Dream Bodies, each can be "Sheathed". Each of these objects are metaphors & symbols, which contain additional dense layers poetic meanings.

screw[/I] this humor up.]

I'll hold up, for now, on those particular details.



Could this be how Rand dies in AMOL?

In theory, yes it's connected...

Rand’s sword was in his hand;[B] he did not remember unsheathing it.

The Eye of the World, Chapter 49 'The Dark One Stir'--Rand al'Thor


That is if you believe, 'The Creature' will not get a chance to kill his nemesis first: the *Quad-Trinity Being*--Moridin, Rand, Dark One, Shaidar Haran?


Though, two of Min's Aura Viewings do mention a Sword: Black one, and a White one. *Quad-Trinity Being*--Moridin's face?

However, three of the Aiel Dreamwalkers told Aviendha about an unseen Man with a Dagger to Rand al'Thor neck too. The Being with many Names, *The Creature's* Red Ruby Dagger?




Dark Rand has a moment of clarity and remembers what Lan told him in Shienar? It seems strange that RJ would spend so much time mentioning this if it was not important. Thoughts?

Oh, it's vitally important metaphor...
Not only for Rand's character...

But it's far too bawdy, too ribald to mention here...
Mind you, the children's eyes....

The Unreasoner
02-25-2012, 06:12 AM
Felix, what are your thoughts on my 'Fain is the harbinger of the end' theoryette?

FelixPax
02-25-2012, 06:35 AM
Felix, what are your thoughts on my 'Fain is the harbinger of the end' theoryette?


I haven't seen it, so can't say at this time.


Though, one of my own Hypotheses is that 'The Creature' will win the Last Battle in this World. [The Black Albatross seen by Tuon as an Omen of Victory, in Winter' Heart book, is a clue for this outcome.] In the sense, that the neo-Da'Shaiel survivors will have to flee to a new Dream World or Worlds, for 'The Beginning' of the Fourth Age to occur. In a nutshell:


Fain gets a victory;
Nynaeve, Lan, Luca, Mat et al get a victory;
And the Dark One, Moridin, Shaidar Haran get kicked back home.

The Unreasoner
02-25-2012, 06:43 PM
I'll give the gist here...
The World Tree/Ygdrassil/Avendesora is the hub of the Parallel Worlds. The universe dies with the Tree at Tarmon Gaidon/Dagor Dagorath/Ragnorak. Fain is the monkey/creature said to live in the branches, and Rand is both the serpent/Dragon and the Shepherd-survivor/Noah/Adam/Christ that gives new life to the Tree and rebuilds/repopulates the Universe.

ETA:
Basically, what is Rand but Time with Legs? Someone with the ability to temporarily step out of an eternal loop?

Lupusdeusest
02-25-2012, 09:47 PM
Rand ... rebuilds/repopulates the Universe.

Oh dear.

The Unreasoner
02-25-2012, 10:17 PM
Oh dear.
Oh come on...he has three Eves.

Terez
02-25-2012, 10:25 PM
What was the name of that god in Eddings' Belgariad who was the god of the northern countries and liked to visit his lady worshipers in the night? Rand could be like that.

Davian93
02-25-2012, 10:36 PM
What was the name of that god in Eddings' Belgariad who was the god of the northern countries and liked to visit his lady worshipers in the night? Rand could be like that.

Belar I believe...


The Bear God.

LadyFiona
02-25-2012, 11:24 PM
Belar I believe...


The Bear God.

That sounds right...Belar was the god for the northern territories, I think.

As a disclaimer, the last time I read the Belgariad I was pregnant and vomiting regularly, so my memory might be a bit fuzzy.


What is this "cow spies" I keep seeing bandied about? I must know!

Terez
02-26-2012, 12:00 AM
Cow spies! (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4326)

Lupusdeusest
02-26-2012, 01:15 AM
Belar I believe...


The Bear God.

Bela is the DR? She will impregnate the girls and wear a Cape?

The Unreasoner
02-26-2012, 01:30 AM
Bela is the DR? She will impregnate the girls and wear a Cape?
That sounds like the set-up to a sick porno...

I meant more along the lines of Butters in Imaginationland.

GonzoTheGreat
02-26-2012, 05:14 AM
That sounds like the set-up to a sick porno...

I meant more along the lines of Butters in Imaginationland.
It may be me, but Butter in Imaginationland sounds a bit like a porn title too. Especially combined with Sheathing the Sword.

Tomp
02-26-2012, 06:52 AM
Bela is the DR? She will impregnate the girls and wear a Cape?

I think the first problem witht this is SHE combined with IMPREGNATE. ;)

GonzoTheGreat
02-26-2012, 07:03 AM
She can saidar it. Or them. Whatever.

Tomp
02-26-2012, 07:09 AM
She can saidar it. Or them. Whatever.

Well, she would be ta'veren and could affect the world in the most bizarre and unlikely ways.

LadyFiona
02-26-2012, 12:03 PM
Bela is the DR? She will impregnate the girls and wear a Cape?

This sounds like an HBO special. "Wheel of Time: The Donkey Show"

Does Fain get to play the role of Pillowpants?

newyorkersedai
02-26-2012, 04:07 PM
The Dark Side of the Barn: The Rise of Bela

fdsaf3
02-26-2012, 10:18 PM
When did Felix come back? :confused::confused:

Sei'taer
02-26-2012, 10:19 PM
When did Felix come back? :confused::confused:

He was invited back and is now gone. Hopefully for good now.

Figbiscuit
02-27-2012, 09:03 AM
He was invited back and is now gone. Hopefully for good now.

That sounds a bit serious...mostly I just always scroll over his posts. And not just because they're always odd, but frankly I find his layout very difficult to follow, and mostly I never have any idea of what he's going on about...

Terez
02-27-2012, 09:38 AM
It's not 'serious' so much as Felix being too insane to understand that it unnerves people when he posts more than, say, once every few days. Or he's a troll. We're not sure which. He took the opportunity to post his lurid monstrosity theory, so I think he's got it out of his system.

Figbiscuit
02-27-2012, 09:43 AM
I see. I've gotta be honest, I've never figured him out. I used to think it was all tongue in cheek, and then realised maybe not. I'll give him his due tho, he does apparently have an extensive WoT database. And knowledge.

SonofElvis
02-27-2012, 04:43 PM
Bela is actually the Great Lord. Duh:

Bela Lugosi.

Zombie Sammael
02-27-2012, 04:47 PM
I see. I've gotta be honest, I've never figured him out. I used to think it was all tongue in cheek, and then realised maybe not. I'll give him his due tho, he does apparently have an extensive WoT database. And knowledge.

He and Terez are the two people who I think know the books best. One uses their powers for good, and the other evil, but WHICH IS WHICH??????

confused at birth
02-27-2012, 04:55 PM
He and Terez are the two people who I think know the books best. One uses their powers for good, and the other evil, but WHICH IS WHICH??????

No, its more like

One used their powers for evil, and the other uses them for their own ends, but WHICH IS WHICH????:p

The Unreasoner
02-27-2012, 05:11 PM
MOCK ON!
http://starwarsbattlefront.filefront.com/skins/smilies/rock.gif

Zombie Sammael
02-27-2012, 05:20 PM
No, its more like

One used their powers for evil, and the other uses them for their own ends, but WHICH IS WHICH????:p

Nah, it's more like "who's the biggest troll?"

confused at birth
02-27-2012, 05:23 PM
MOCK ON!
http://starwarsbattlefront.filefront.com/skins/smilies/rock.gif

And the important question of which one is evil will not be answered because if they are evil they will never tell us, and anyway I am not sure Felix would understand the question.:(

Of course they could both be evil and working together to destroy reality, not that I would notice as I only have random contact with it since it said those things about my cooking.

The Truth is out there! And its laughing its arse off:p

Tomp
02-27-2012, 05:30 PM
No, its more like

One used their powers for evil, and the other uses them for their own ends, but WHICH IS WHICH????:p

One is Gollum and one is Saruman.

And one of them is in drag.

Verin Mathwin
02-27-2012, 06:21 PM
Not that I think either Terez or Felix is evil, but I think a more appropriate analogy would be that one is Mordeth and the other the Great Lord.

The Unreasoner
02-27-2012, 09:40 PM
Or Elaida and Mesaana...

Pedron Niall and Liandrin...

Gareth Bryne and Egwene...