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Sei'taer
08-19-2008, 02:43 PM
They make things so hard. Davian has the answer. We take over Canadia, move everyone out of the great southwest and out of Texas and we go for it! It makes perfect sense. Dav has been on the right track for a long time now and didn't even know it! Amazing (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121901822110148233.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries).


Here's the article, in case you are wary of Taer links, lol.

Wind Jammers
August 18, 2008; Page A14
In this year's great energy debate, Democrats describe a future when the U.S. finally embraces the anything-but-carbon avant-garde. It turns out, however, that when wind and solar power do start to come on line, they face a familiar obstacle: environmentalists and many Democrats.

To wit, the greens are blocking the very transmission network needed for renewable electricity to move throughout the economy. The best sites for wind and solar energy happen to be in the sticks -- in the desert Southwest where sunlight is most intense for longest, or the plains where the wind blows most often. To exploit this energy, utilities need to build transmission lines to connect their electricity to the places where consumers actually live. In addition to other technical problems, the transmission gap is a big reason wind only provides two-thirds of 1% of electricity generated in the U.S., and solar one-tenth of 1%.

Only last week, Duke Energy and American Electric Power announced a $1 billion joint venture to build a mere 240 miles of transmission line in Indiana necessary to accommodate new wind farms. Yet the utilities don't expect to be able to complete the lines for six long years -- until 2014, at the earliest, because of the time necessary to obtain regulatory approval and rights-of-way, plus the obligatory lawsuits.

In California, hundreds turned out at the end of July to protest a connection between the solar and geothermal fields of the Imperial Valley to Los Angeles and Orange County. The environmental class is likewise lobbying state commissioners to kill a 150-mile link between San Diego and solar panels because it would entail a 20-mile jaunt through Anza-Borrego state park. "It's kind of schizophrenic behavior," Arnold Schwarzenegger said recently. "They say that we want renewable energy, but we don't want you to put it anywhere."

California has a law mandating that utilities generate 20% of their electricity from "clean-tech" by 2010. Some 24 states have adopted a "renewable portfolio standard," while Barack Obama wants to impose a national renewable mandate. But the states, with the exception of Texas, didn't make transmission lines easier to build, though it won't prevent them from penalizing the power companies that fail to meet an impossible goal.

Texas is now the wind capital of America (though wind still generates only 3% of state electricity) because it streamlined the regulatory and legal snarls that block transmission in other states. By contrast, though Pennsylvania's Democratic Governor Ed Rendell adopted wind power as a main political plank, he and Senator Bob Casey are leading a charge to repeal a 2005 law that makes transmission lines slightly easier to build.

Wind power has also become contentious in oh-so-green Oregon, once people realized that transmission lines would cut through forests. Transmissions lines from a wind project on the Nevada-Idaho border are clogged because of possible effects on the greater sage grouse. Similar melodramas are playing out in Arizona, the Dakotas, the Carolinas, Tennessee, West Virginia, northern Maine, upstate New York, and elsewhere.

In other words, the liberal push for alternatives has the look of a huge bait-and-switch. Washington responds to the climate change panic with multibillion-dollar taxpayer subsidies for supposedly clean tech. But then when those incentives start to have an effect in the real world, the same greens who favor the subsidies say build the turbines or towers somewhere else. The only energy sources they seem to like are the ones we don't have.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-19-2008, 02:48 PM
But Texas is being logical in this for once!

Sei'taer
08-19-2008, 02:49 PM
But Texas is being logical in this for once!


It's for the greater good, dear. You could move somewhere nice...Iowa maybe?

Gilshalos Sedai
08-19-2008, 02:50 PM
No. You take Canada. I hate snow.

ShadowbaneX
08-19-2008, 02:50 PM
/me tries to imagine the bible belt being moved to Canada...

why do I keep seeing this end in fire?

Sei'taer
08-19-2008, 02:58 PM
/me tries to imagine the bible belt being moved to Canada...

why do I keep seeing this end in fire?


No no...see everyone just moves a little north. Chicago gets Detroit, Detroit gets Ottawa or Toronto, the Cajuns get Quebec (the language thing gets that done...although they won't be able to understand each other, I'm sure) so on and so forth...see, it won't be bad.

Brita
08-19-2008, 03:04 PM
Well, onto Plan B for us then:

http://opinion250.com/Files/Image/2005/august/cartoon_timmies.gif

Cary Sedai
08-19-2008, 03:28 PM
Why take over Canada, though?

I say we round up all the greenies and put them to work deciding just how to make everything work the way they want it to.

"Give me clean energy!" "Wait, you can't put it THERE!"

"It's kind of schizophrenic behavior," Arnold Schwarzenegger said recently. "They say that we want renewable energy, but we don't want you to put it anywhere."

That's hilarious!

Bryan Blaire
08-19-2008, 06:01 PM
From what I've seen though, it is very, very true, Cary.