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Ivhon
08-26-2008, 06:11 AM
Quite frankly Im disgusted by the lack of spine McCain is showing in standing up to his campaign managers. And if he can't stand up to them, he can't stand up to the Conservative Base and be the maverick he may once have been.

There was a time that John McCain did not politicize his time in prison camp. Now, every time he makes a gaffe - which is frequent - he is under instructions to drag out the POW card. Most recently on Leno. LENO?!?!?!

Using the fact that he was a POW as a carte blanche get out of jail free card for everything he does cheapens and demeans his heroic service. The fact that he is clearly not following his better judgment on this is a fairly clear indication that he will do as he is told by the Party.

He has lost any claim he had to being a maverick ever since he got the nod to be the nominee. This is just the firmest evidence.

My pre-emptive response to those who will question how I can question who spent 5 years being tortured in a prison camp is this. That card has used all its mileage with me. I respect what he went through in Viet Nam and would not wish it on anyone, but that does not excuse what he is doing NOW.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-26-2008, 08:09 AM
Which is the #1 reason I'm having trouble liking McCain more and more.

Sei'taer
08-26-2008, 08:28 AM
Quite frankly Im disgusted by the lack of spine McCain is showing in standing up to his campaign managers. And if he can't stand up to them, he can't stand up to the Conservative Base and be the maverick he may once have been.

There was a time that John McCain did not politicize his time in prison camp. Now, every time he makes a gaffe - which is frequent - he is under instructions to drag out the POW card. Most recently on Leno. LENO?!?!?!

Using the fact that he was a POW as a carte blanche get out of jail free card for everything he does cheapens and demeans his heroic service. The fact that he is clearly not following his better judgment on this is a fairly clear indication that he will do as he is told by the Party.

He has lost any claim he had to being a maverick ever since he got the nod to be the nominee. This is just the firmest evidence.

My pre-emptive response to those who will question how I can question who spent 5 years being tortured in a prison camp is this. That card has used all its mileage with me. I respect what he went through in Viet Nam and would not wish it on anyone, but that does not excuse what he is doing NOW.

Yup. Between that and the race card Obama keeps playing I'm really sick of hearing about both of them. In my eyes, McCain was never a maverick. He's a RINO. Thats my opinion.

I think thats one of the problems I have with what we have to choose from this time around...we have 2 learners. Neither is a thinker. For instance take the Biden pick for Obama. He says change, but he picks a vp who has been in congress longer than McCain. McCain is called a maverick, but every time he turns around he shits on his own party trying to be something it is so obvious he is not. And now they are talking that he is going to pick a moderate for his VP...maybe even a Dem...John, you friggin dumbass, you've got the moderate vote all by yourself, you don't need to pick someone that is more moderate.

meh...I'm not voting for either one anyway. Stupid bastards.

irerancincpkc
08-26-2008, 08:32 AM
Race card? That's a load of crap. When has Obama said 'you can't ask me that because I'm black?' Not once. I have never seen him use his race as an excuse in anything he has ever said on the campaign trail, unlike McCain, who pulls out his prison camp card everytime he faces a difficult question.

Davian93
08-26-2008, 08:35 AM
Depending on who McCain picks for his VP...I very well may not vote for him...though I find Obama's policies (or lack there of) even more repugnant.

If he picks Romney, I'm gone...I'll either stay home or vote Obama.

Sei'taer
08-26-2008, 09:20 AM
Race card? That's a load of crap. When has Obama said 'you can't ask me that because I'm black?' Not once. I have never seen him use his race as an excuse in anything he has ever said on the campaign trail, unlike McCain, who pulls out his prison camp card everytime he faces a difficult question.

Not really. Here's a few examples... from the primary with Clinton and since he and McCain started going to it.:

here (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/21/obama-suggests-gop-will-use-race-to-scare-voters/)

Here (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/bill-clinton-ob.html)

Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/us/politics/01campaign.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

Note this quote from the Time article:

The exchange injected racial politics front and center into the general election campaign for the first time, after it became a subtext in the primary between Mr. Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

There are a lot of others that point it out. Here's how I look at it. If you are McCain, and Obama is the one that brings it up, then you have free rein to also inject it into the campaign...thats just me...but you have to remember that it goes both ways. If McCain wants to bring up Vietnam, then Obama has the right to go after him on that...or anything else he brings up.

Sodas
08-26-2008, 10:01 AM
Quite frankly Im disgusted by the lack of spine McCain is showing in standing up to his campaign managers. And if he can't stand up to them, he can't stand up to the Conservative Base and be the maverick he may once have been.

There was a time that John McCain did not politicize his time in prison camp. Now, every time he makes a gaffe - which is frequent - he is under instructions to drag out the POW card. Most recently on Leno. LENO?!?!?!

Using the fact that he was a POW as a carte blanche get out of jail free card for everything he does cheapens and demeans his heroic service. The fact that he is clearly not following his better judgment on this is a fairly clear indication that he will do as he is told by the Party.

He has lost any claim he had to being a maverick ever since he got the nod to be the nominee. This is just the firmest evidence.

My pre-emptive response to those who will question how I can question who spent 5 years being tortured in a prison camp is this. That card has used all its mileage with me. I respect what he went through in Viet Nam and would not wish it on anyone, but that does not excuse what he is doing NOW.
Yeah I saw this too. I wish I could embed the video of the MSNBC panel discussing the POW-Card. Instead, you shall have to suffer with this link! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdZjZIh-750&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/26/74646/5171/258/575358

How many times can one go to the well...

irerancincpkc
08-26-2008, 11:29 AM
Sei'taer, what Obama said was true, the GOP will try to suggest that he is ~gasp~ black. And of course McCain is trying to smear Obama by saying he pulled the race card when he clearly didn't. And even though I didn't know Clinton in his prime, I do know he has a short temper.

Show me something that has Obama avoiding a question by using his race as an excuse, as there are many examples of McCain getting out of something with his POW excuse...

Davian93
08-26-2008, 11:29 AM
Wait a minute?!?! Obama's Black? This changes everything!

StrangePackage
08-26-2008, 02:01 PM
I think thats one of the problems I have with what we have to choose from this time around...we have 2 learners. Neither is a thinker.

I missed the part where McCain is a learner.

Everything I've seen about his performance in school (wasn't he next to last in his class rank at the Naval Academy?) to the stock answers he's been giving (his Saddleback performance was almost cut and paste from his stump speeches) to the fact that he doesn't actually get online to check sources for himself, but reads what other people put in front of him, to the numerous gaffes about pesky "facts" like who are the Sunni/Shii/AlQueda/Iranians or how many houses he has, or what his opinion is on birth control versus Viagra being available for health care- all of that leads me to believe he may have about the same level of "learner" in him that the current administration has.

Davian93
08-26-2008, 02:32 PM
The longer the campaign goes on, the less impressed I am with McCain. I don't like Obama either though.

Sei'taer
08-26-2008, 04:14 PM
I missed the part where McCain is a learner.

Everything I've seen about his performance in school (wasn't he next to last in his class rank at the Naval Academy?) to the stock answers he's been giving (his Saddleback performance was almost cut and paste from his stump speeches) to the fact that he doesn't actually get online to check sources for himself, but reads what other people put in front of him, to the numerous gaffes about pesky "facts" like who are the Sunni/Shii/AlQueda/Iranians or how many houses he has, or what his opinion is on birth control versus Viagra being available for health care- all of that leads me to believe he may have about the same level of "learner" in him that the current administration has.

Let me explain what I mean by a learner. They can take a script and parrot it back to you. They can take a set of statistics and parrot the numbers back to you. As far as thinking through an original question and coming up with an answer, they can't do it...not if they want to stay within party parameters and not if they want to sound in any way intelligent. Obama is horrid if he is off the teleprompter and McCain goes back to his war days, or whatever other crap he can throw in if he gets hung up on something he hasn't been told an answer for.

Sei'taer, what Obama said was true, the GOP will try to suggest that he is ~gasp~ black .

Sooooo somehow thats not inserting race into the campaign? I guess I don't see it that way.


Show me something that has Obama avoiding a question by using his race as an excuse, as there are many examples of McCain getting out of something with his POW excuse....

Don't see anywhere in here where I suggested he did what you said.

Between that and the race card Obama keeps playing I'm really sick of hearing about both of them.

Brita
08-26-2008, 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by ungodly sexy


Oooooh- I like your confidence :cool:

Sei'taer
08-26-2008, 05:59 PM
Oooooh- I like your confidence :cool:

Thanks, I like it too;)

Frenzy
08-26-2008, 08:00 PM
Wait a minute?!?! Obama's Black? This changes everything!
Why not, it worked in Blazing Saddles...

pops taer
08-26-2008, 08:15 PM
Write in Pops'taer and complete the 'taer clan invasion and takeover!!!

Seriously, I am impressed by neither candidate and very concerned for this country no matter which one wins.

Pops

Neilbert
08-26-2008, 10:31 PM
Not really. Here's a few examples... from the primary with Clinton and since he and McCain started going to it.:

First let us mention that you did not answer the question. None of these are Obama deflecting a question using race.

Sei'taer, what Obama said was true, the GOP will try to suggest that he is ~gasp~ black.

Sooooo somehow thats not inserting race into the campaign? I guess I don't see it that way.

I don't for a second believe that there were no subtle "Obama is *gasp* black" ads before this quote surfaced. So I'm gonna go with no, that wasn't inserting race into the campaign, race was already present. For an obvious example, see "secret Muslim".

“You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky. That’s essentially the argument they’re making.”

People tried to frame Obama as a "secret Muslim", and still are. The Obama doesn't look like the other presidents argument was made long before this quote.

"So, former President Clinton dismissed my victory in South Carolina as being similar to Jesse Jackson and he is suggesting that somehow I had something to do with it," Obama said laughing, "Ok, well, you better ask him what he meant by that. I have no idea what he meant. These are words that came out of his mouth, not out of mine."

That would be Bill Clinton playing the race card, and Barrack Obama saying "wtf?"

Tell me, how should Barrack Obama have responded to Clintons comment about Jesse Jackson winning in South Carolina? When asked why it took two Clintons to beat Obama, Bill responded that Jesse Jackson won SC. How is this not obvious race baiting? How is calling someone out on this behavior "playing the race card"?

But of course, all of this is irrelevant. By your own reasoning:

There are a lot of others that point it out. Here's how I look at it. If you are McCain, and Obama is the one that brings it up, then you have free rein to also inject it into the campaign...thats just me...but you have to remember that it goes both ways.

So as soon as "secret Muslim" popped up, Obama had free reign to play the "race card". I would say that he has shown remarkable restraint.

Sei'taer
08-26-2008, 10:45 PM
First let us mention that you did not answer the question. None of these are Obama deflecting a question using race.

I don't for a second believe that there were no subtle "Obama is *gasp* black" ads before this quote surfaced. So I'm gonna go with no, that wasn't inserting race into the campaign, race was already present. For an obvious example, see "secret Muslim".

People tried to frame Obama as a "secret Muslim", and still are. The Obama doesn't look like the other presidents argument was made long before this quote.

That would be Bill Clinton playing the race card, and Barrack Obama saying "wtf?"

Tell me, how should Barrack Obama have responded to Clintons comment about Jesse Jackson winning in South Carolina? When asked why it took two Clintons to beat Obama, Bill responded that Jesse Jackson won SC. How is this not obvious race baiting? How is calling someone out on this behavior "playing the race card"?

But of course, all of this is irrelevant. By your own reasoning:

So as soon as "secret Muslim" popped up, Obama had free reign to play the "race card". I would say that he has shown remarkable restraint.

Welcome to Theoryland, Neilbert.

I don't want to have to go thru it all point by point again...perhaps you should read the thread again. I think my 3rd post should answer your initial question. Both of these were written by me, since you probably didn't know because you're new and never saw my ungodly sexy nick before.

Don't see anywhere in here where I suggested he did what you said.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ungodly sexy
Between that and the race card Obama keeps playing I'm really sick of hearing about both of them.

Terez
08-26-2008, 10:57 PM
haha, Neilbert is Anubis, Taer. :p

PS - congrats on fixing the login problems, Neil. :D

Neilbert
08-26-2008, 10:59 PM
I don't want to have to go thru it all point by point again...perhaps you should read the thread again.

I read the thread just fine. If you aren't responding to a specific claim, then you shouldn't quote that claim before your response, of if you do you should make it clear what exactly you are responding to. You are right though, all this point by point stuff merely confuses the issue.

There are a lot of others that point it out. Here's how I look at it. If you are McCain, and Obama is the one that brings it up, then you have free rein to also inject it into the campaign...thats just me...but you have to remember that it goes both ways.

Race was injected into the campaign, and not by Barrack Obama (secret Muslim predates anything I can find). By your own reasoning, Barrack Obama has "free rein to also inject it into the campaign", yet you criticize him for doing so, even when he does it in direct response to someone else injecting race into the campaign. It seems to me like you are looking for reasons to be critical of Obama.

Sei'taer
08-27-2008, 06:35 AM
I read the thread just fine. If you aren't responding to a specific claim, then you shouldn't quote that claim before your response, of if you do you should make it clear what exactly you are responding to. You are right though, all this point by point stuff merely confuses the issue.



Race was injected into the campaign, and not by Barrack Obama (secret Muslim predates anything I can find). By your own reasoning, Barrack Obama has "free rein to also inject it into the campaign", yet you criticize him for doing so, even when he does it in direct response to someone else injecting race into the campaign. It seems to me like you are looking for reasons to be critical of Obama.


Welcome back Anubis then...sorry for the confusion, I didn't know.

I haven't seen where McCain, (btw, he's as big a fucking loser as Obama is...just sayin') injected it into the campaign. I've seen the Clintons do it, and I've seen Obama do it...maybe I missed where McCain's people hooked him up with some racist stuff...and trust me, it came from his people cuz he ain't smart enough to come up with it on his own.

irerancincpkc
08-27-2008, 07:03 AM
Well, you still haven't provided us with the moment where Obama went McCain-POW style, and said Don't ask me that cause I'm black or something...

Getting back to the original topic... from Hillary last night.

John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work.

With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they're awfully hard to tell apart.
:D

Davian93
08-27-2008, 07:57 AM
On the equal pay thing for females...as you all know I work in a gov't office. There are 68 people in my office and 11 males including myself in that 68. Hows that for equal? (84% female/16% male)

The good ol' girls club runs it w/ an iron fist and they hire their friends over qualified men. Its a joke. It might be true in other parts of the country but in my states it is the reverse.

Hillary sucks.

irerancincpkc
08-27-2008, 08:05 AM
Davian, come on. You're looking at one workplace. That's like looking at one small, quiet town with no murder rate and saying that proves that there is no murder problem in the country.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-27-2008, 08:17 AM
Also, government jobs don't count, since the pay scale is regimented and blind.


We're talking about privately held companies and publically traded corporations.

Davian93
08-27-2008, 09:14 AM
Well yeah...of course I only really care about what affects me...duh:D

Seriously though I agree that its somewhat wrong but improvement has been made.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-27-2008, 09:21 AM
Seriously though I agree that its somewhat wrong but improvement has been made.

Yeah, and a glacier advances an inch a year.

Ivhon
08-27-2008, 09:25 AM
Yeah, and a glacier advances an inch a year.

A lot faster these days ;)

Davian93
08-27-2008, 09:33 AM
I have to say as a "White Male" that I've never seen any of the supposed benefits of being a "white male". Its never helped me get a job or get more money etc etc. Of course I've always primarily worked with the gov't so it might be different but still...

StrangePackage
08-27-2008, 09:40 AM
I have. I work a government job. I was hired 9 months ago. As of 3 months ago, I made more than a white female hired 18 months before me.

I am not more qualified, more experienced. I am white, and politically connected.

You do the math.

Brita
08-27-2008, 09:42 AM
Semi-related:

I watched a small documentary piece on CBC last night about why Hillary lost the campaign to Obama. There were feminists on the screen bemoaning the chauvinist attitudes towards Hillary (which there certainly were) and it just isn't fair!

I almost laughed at the screen. Any candidate has prejudices to overcome. Any candidate will lose votes automatically simply because of surface characteristics. Obama will lose votes simply because he's 'coloured'. McCain will lose votes simply because he's an elderly white man. That's life. Feminism will take a huge leap forward when women stop whining and just deal with life as it comes.

Anyway- this isn't specifically about wage disparity- I don't know enough facts about this to make a comment. All I know is I make almost double what my husband does. But the thread reminded me of the program I watched last night and the feminist comments.

Davian93
08-27-2008, 09:44 AM
I have. I work a government job. I was hired 9 months ago. As of 3 months ago, I made more than a white female hired 18 months before me.

I am not more qualified, more experienced. I am white, and politically connected.

You do the math.

Did you ever think that maybe you're just a better negotiator? I've seen plenty of fellow men shortsell themselves during the hiring process and make less than me despite being better qualified for the position on paper.

EDIT: I also think it has far more to do with your connections than any skin color or the fact that you're a guy...connections are everything in the job market.

irerancincpkc
08-27-2008, 09:49 AM
Feminism will take a huge leap forward when women stop whining and just deal with life as it comes.
While I see what you're saying, if there is no action (let's say, no woman's movement, no civil rights movement) in the first place, than more than likey woman and blacks don't vote or have equal rights today. And if there isn't someone, some group, to call out a boss who is sexist, or racist, will the boss be fair because it's the right thing to do? I doubt it... as much as whining is annoying, and a lot of people do over-do it, I think it kind of keeps a balance.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-27-2008, 10:00 AM
There's a difference between whining and fighting.

Brita
08-27-2008, 10:13 AM
There's a difference between whining and fighting.

Exactly! I think women have to be very careful and circumspect when fighting inequality. Hillary didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she didn't run a good campaign. It's just very easy to fall into the habit of blaming sexism, especially when you are always looking for it. And in the end that defeats the fight for equality.

StrangePackage
08-27-2008, 10:14 AM
Exactly! I think women have to be very careful and circumspect when fighting inequality. Hillary didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she didn't run a good campaign. It's just very easy to fall into the habit of blaming sexism, especially when you are always looking for it. And in the end that defeats the fight for equality.

Hillary was a better candidate than the campaign that she ran.

If she had had a campaign as good as her qualifications, Barack Obama would be her VP.

Cary Sedai
08-27-2008, 10:18 AM
There's a difference between whining and fighting.


I'm so glad you said that. :D

irerancincpkc
08-27-2008, 10:23 AM
Hillary was a better candidate than the campaign that she ran.

If she had had a campaign as good as her qualifications, Barack Obama would be her VP.
She was over-confident. Obama had nothing to lose - she did. Obama was the only person who could beat her, and he did.

Davian93
08-27-2008, 10:53 AM
She was over-confident. Obama had nothing to lose - she did. Obama was the only person who could beat her, and he did.

The fact that she's pure evil didn't help either. ;)

irerancincpkc
08-27-2008, 10:55 AM
The fact that she's pure evil didn't help either. ;)
Hey, I like Hillary. :D She does seem like a nice person, and she has a great husband. :D

Cary Sedai
08-27-2008, 10:57 AM
Hey, I like Hillary. :D She does seem like a nice person, and she has a great husband. :D


~shudders~ Hillary gives me the creeps....

I do like Bill, though. He should get rid of the ball and chain, and sell books about her being dominatrix. :D

Crispin's Crispian
08-27-2008, 11:03 AM
Did you ever think that maybe you're just a better negotiator? I've seen plenty of fellow men shortsell themselves during the hiring process and make less than me despite being better qualified for the position on paper.

EDIT: I also think it has far more to do with your connections than any skin color or the fact that you're a guy...connections are everything in the job market.
I think it's situational. I worked in one setting where everyone in charge was male, and the females, despite having equal or better qualifications, experience and connections, were still relegated to "office support" and more menial roles. Even if the women wanted those jobs, when they offered up suggestions or recommendations about the business, their opinons were usually disregarded. I worked with one woman who ran a radio station and another who was an AVP at a large bank. Neither of them had as much weight with the boss as I did, and I don't have anywhere near the experience.

It just depends on who's in charge. It may not be malicious, and you can usually point it out and surprise those men, but until you do they are going to hold that belief.

Davian93
08-27-2008, 11:28 AM
As usual you hit the key point Sdog. You are usually correct.

Gilshalos Sedai
08-27-2008, 12:35 PM
Bill may be great about many things, but being a husband is NOT one of them.

StrangePackage
08-27-2008, 01:14 PM
Back to the topic at hand- So can I choose to belittle McCain's service to his country and his POW status? Especially when he uses it as a deflection for campaign gaffes, like he tried to do on Leno?

Or would that be outside the lines?

irerancincpkc
08-27-2008, 02:01 PM
Bill may be great about many things, but being a husband is NOT one of them.
I'm not sure we can judge their relationship; only they know what it is like right now...

Congrats on 1000 posts though. :D

Sei'taer
08-27-2008, 03:01 PM
Back to the topic at hand- So can I choose to belittle McCain's service to his country and his POW status? Especially when he uses it as a deflection for campaign gaffes, like he tried to do on Leno?

Or would that be outside the lines?

Feel free. Just remember that you reap what you sow. People get weird about that kind of thing...as I'm sure you know.

Well, you still haven't provided us with the moment where Obama went McCain-POW style, and said Don't ask me that cause I'm black or something...

I didn't say he was doing that. I simply said:

Between that and the race card Obama keeps playing I'm really sick of hearing about both of them. In my eyes, McCain was never a maverick. He's a RINO. Thats my opinion.

Ok, let me break it down. "between that" "that" meaning McCain throwing around POW time "and the race card Obama keeps playing" meaning Obama is worried that the GOP is going to point out to society that he's black so he chose to play the race card first, "I'm really sick of hearing about both of them" meaning, I don't like either one of these dumbass fuckers thats running for president and I am tired of hearing both of them.

Believe me, if someone was to write a glowing report about McCain, I could and would say exactly what I think about McCain, but I could do a much better job of it because he has a long, long record from his time in the senate. SoE and I had a huge fight in 2000 because he was a huge supporter of McCain, and probably still is, I on the other hand, hated McCain then almost as much as I do now. Wait until the republican convention and I'll have plenty to say.

Also, Hill looked great in her Orange Julius pant suit last night and I really hope Bill goes off the deep end when he gives his speech. Word is he is still really pissed off at Obama. I'm curious to see if his temper gets the better of him. ~crosses fingers in anticipation~

StrangePackage
08-27-2008, 03:22 PM
Feel free. Just remember that you reap what you sow. People get weird about that kind of thing...as I'm sure you know.

Oh right. Thanks for reminding me.

http://static.flickr.com/18/68726110_2c7787453b_o.jpg

http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/images/JFKerryBandAid.jpg

Brita
08-27-2008, 03:26 PM
The Purple Heart Bland-Aid- ha! I don't care what anyone says, that's funny.

Sei'taer
08-27-2008, 03:28 PM
Oh right. Thanks for reminding me.

http://static.flickr.com/18/68726110_2c7787453b_o.jpg

http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/images/JFKerryBandAid.jpg

yup. There's a lot from this campaign too. I wish I could post the cartoons I just got in my email today. Lemme play with it and maybe I can post some.

Sei'taer
08-27-2008, 03:37 PM
Here are some of the jokes, but the cartoons will have to wait til I get home so I can put them on photobucket.


Joke 1: Early one morning during the Presidential Campaign, John McCain heard a knock on his front door. He opened the door to find a high-school-age girl wearing a "Vote for McCain" t-shirt.

"I saw you on TV last night, debating with the other candidates," she said.

McCain nodded. "The other candidates say I'm too old," he said. "They say I'm losing my memory and that I won't be able to remember the names of foreign leaders if I'm elected. But I'm going to prove them wrong."

"Good," said the girl.

"Now tell me, young lady," said McCain, "what is your name?"

The girl looked confused. "It's ME, Grandpa."

Joke 2: This week, at a McCain rally, conservative Bill Cunningham used Barack Obama's middle name, calling him "Barack Hussein Obama." McCain criticized Cunningham and publicly apologized for the use of Obama's middle name. To conservatives, it is a mystery why Cunningham's remark warranted an apology. But then John Hitler McCain is a mysterious man.

Joke 3: John McCain and Barack Obama somehow ended up at the same barbershop.

As they sat there, each being worked on by a different
barber, not a word was spoken. The barbers were even afraid to start a conversation, for fear it would turn to politics.

As the barbers finished their shaves, the one who had Obama in his chair reached for the after shave.

Obama was quick to stop him saying, "No thanks, my
wife Michelle will smell that and think I've been in a whorehouse,"

The second barber turned to McCain and said, "How about you?"

McCain replied, "Go ahead, my wife doesn't know what the inside of a whorehouse smells like."


I get all kinds of stuff like this because my friends know how much I despise both of these guys. Anyway, If I can get the cartoons up I'll show those also.

StrangePackage
08-27-2008, 03:38 PM
The Purple Heart Bland-Aid- ha! I don't care what anyone says, that's funny.

Yep! Nothing like the party that claims to "Support the Troops" and is perceived as being strong on defense denigrating the sacrifices of veterans wounded in combat.

LAUGH RIOT!

Almost as funny as their effort to derail the most recent bills offering health, education, and employment assistance to veterans of the Iraq war because "it might encourage them to leave the army."


HILARITY! KNEE-SLAPPERY!

Gilshalos Sedai
08-27-2008, 03:42 PM
SP, I think they were making fun of Kerry and throwing his purple heart away.

JSUCamel
08-27-2008, 03:43 PM
But then John Hitler McCain is a mysterious man.


lmao

StrangePackage
08-27-2008, 03:53 PM
SP, I think they were making fun of Kerry and throwing his purple heart away.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/

Hrmm, nope. Seems they're just jerks who don't value military service. Or feel that military service alone doesn't make one competent to lead.

These same people will tell you in a heartbeat that you can't criticize John McCain for anything, because he was a POW.

Seriously, I wonder if anyone at the DNC will be wearing Purple Heart Bandages to mock McCain. How many people think that would happen?

Gilshalos Sedai
08-27-2008, 03:58 PM
Um... did you read the same thing I did? Seems like that was the entire purpose behind them.

And no, I'm not counting Dole's comments, he's an ass who needs to stick to Viagra commercials.

Sei'taer
08-27-2008, 04:09 PM
Seriously, I wonder if anyone at the DNC will be wearing Purple Heart Bandages to mock McCain. How many people think that would happen?

Probably not, since it is bad form...and also since McCain had the sack to do this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42740-2004Aug5.html) during the last election. I'm sure there are people around who protest his military record though they are probably not doing it at the convention.

I did find these:

http://www.forandagainst.com/articles/McCain_s_Military_Record_Shows_He_Is_Unfit_To_Be_P resident

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11425.html

Of course, these aren't at the convention, and as far as I can find no one is doing any of that to him. There are those out there though that denigrate his service. I personally could care less about his service good or bad. I don't think that has anything to do with whether you will be a good or bad president. Obama not having any military background doesn't matter to me either because I don't believe that its a factor.

Neilbert
08-28-2008, 11:08 PM
...maybe I missed where McCain's people hooked him up with some racist stuff...and trust me, it came from his people cuz he ain't smart enough to come up with it on his own.

I suppose then it just comes down to a matter of opinion about where all these attacks originate. I believe they come from within the Republican party, so Obama is, in my mind, perfectly reasonable in stating that his opponents will try to exploit racial tensions.

Sinistrum
08-29-2008, 01:28 AM
perceived as being strong on defense denigrating the sacrifices of veterans wounded in combat.

Kind of like that political cartoon you showed me over IM a few days ago that denigrated McCain's service by portraying it as a get out of jail free card.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/21/16410/0565/504/572077

:rolleyes: Seriously, neither side has any room to go high and might on the issue of mudslinging.

Sodas
08-29-2008, 03:31 AM
Kind of like that political cartoon you showed me over IM a few days ago that denigrated McCain's service by portraying it as a get out of jail free card.

You don't think he denigrated his own service by voting for against allowing Waterboarding (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022) as a method of torture? You don't think he denigrates his own service by suggesting the reason for why he doesn't remember how many homes he has is because he was a POW?

There is mudslinging going on both sides, but McCain denigrates his own service, and a political cartoon on that matter is clearly fair.

Mort
08-29-2008, 04:30 AM
Hahaha! I liked the jokes Sei :D

irerancincpkc
08-29-2008, 06:33 AM
I must say Obama was a lot harder on McCain in his acceptance speech than anyone expected, calling him out on his lack of judgement and challenging him to debate that. For everyone who thought Obama would be a Kerry and let the smears and lies do their job, well, they found out last night that Obama wouldn't. Obama made his case against McCain in the right way, without personal attacks, and Obama laid out clear policy goals that voters who have not decided yet will love.

Davian93
08-29-2008, 07:18 AM
I thought he sounded a little to hard edged...you're supposed to put your platform out there...not continually rip your opponent. McCain's people are gonna rip Obama a new one as it will only get dirtier from here on out...Republicans are simply better at that type of politics...sadly.

Mort
08-29-2008, 07:32 AM
Watching the convention right now, dunno if it's a rerun or if they are doing it live. Biden talked a while back about just because you are a great soldier doesn't mean you will be a great president. So true. Seems that is mostly what McCain is doing atm with his talk about being a POW all the time.

irerancincpkc
08-29-2008, 08:09 AM
I thought he sounded a little to hard edged...you're supposed to put your platform out there...not continually rip your opponent. McCain's people are gonna rip Obama a new one as it will only get dirtier from here on out...Republicans are simply better at that type of politics...sadly.
If he would have been any less hard edged people would have said he was soft. I thought it was a near perfect balance; he really only went after McCain five times, and he really outlined all of his policies.

And there is a difference between Obama's non-personal attacks and what McCain and Co. will do. They will lie and smear. Obama can deflect those false blows. McCain can't deflect the truth on his bad judgement.

Sei'taer
08-29-2008, 08:25 AM
I only watched about 2 minutes of it before I was ready to puke. Can someone explain to me why he has that weird inflection in his voice when he is trying to be powerful? It drives me insane. Someone else will have to tell me about the speech.

Don't bother me with the republican convention...I won't be watching much of it either.

BTW, I'm really disappointed in Bill. He needed to get all that stuff off his chest and he just held it inside. Once a whore always a whore I guess.

tanaww
08-29-2008, 08:25 AM
Once a whore always a whore I guess.

No comment.

irerancincpkc
08-29-2008, 08:36 AM
Can someone explain to me why he has that weird inflection in his voice when he is trying to be powerful? It drives me insane..
Since you are the only one to bring that up that I know of, I would guess the problem is on your end.

Trying to discredit what he has to say by bringing up how he sounds is pretty weak, by the way... :D

Sei'taer
08-29-2008, 08:48 AM
Trying to discredit what he has to say by bringing up how he sounds is pretty weak, by the way... :D

I can't discredit anything he said...I didn't watch it. I just thought about it last night during the couple of minutes I did watch.

irerancincpkc
08-29-2008, 08:51 AM
I can't discredit anything he said...I didn't watch it. I just thought about it last night during the couple of minutes I did watch.
Hockey Doke. :D

Sorry if I was over-bearing again. :o