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GonzoTheGreat
11-09-2012, 06:17 AM
Obviously, "err" stands for Emergency ReRead, which I started because AMoL is coming, and which I'll finish (somewhere halfway in the series, probably) when AMoL is there.
For now, I'm working through NS. Some more or less random thoughts, inspired by this:

1.
There are no AS merchants. Nor are there any AS artists. Nor any AS craftswomen. It seems that AS indoctrination is remarkably successful, as hardly any AS leave the constraints of the seven Ajahs.

2.
Siuan hastily moved three pieces of split wood to the fire-irons on the hearth - the woodbox was almost empty; serving men brought Aes Sedai their firewood, but Accepted had to carry theirs up themselves - then grunted when she discovered that her efforts at banking the coals of last night's fire had failed. No doubt in a hurry to reach the Amyrlin's chambers, she had not covered them with ashes well enough to stop them from burning out. A frown creased her forehead for a moment, and then Moiraine felt that small tingle again as the light of saidar briefly surrounded the other woman. Any woman who could channel could feel another wielding the Power if she was close enough, but the tingle was unusual. Women who spent a lot of time together in their training sometimes felt it, but the sensation was supposed to fade away over time. Hers and Siuan's never had. Sometimes Moiraine thought it was a sign of how close their friendship was. When the glow winked out, the short lengths of log were burning merrily.
What's up with that tingle?
It seems like something that is going to be important later on, but I can't remember any case where that actually happened.

3.
Siuan later on became one of the youngest Amyrlins ever. That much is of course well known. But her closest associates were also extremely young. Leane was only a bit older; she'd been raised while Siuan and Moiraine were Accepted. Sheriam was also of that age group.
In contrast, Tamra had a very old Keeper of the Chronicles in Gitara, and her replacement, Aeldra, was rather old too; at least a couple of centuries.

4.
The six pointed star used in the AS testing procedure reminds me of the *finn triangle with wavy line. I don't know whether it is coincidence or not, and I don't know whether we'll find out any more about it. But it is intriguing.

5.
AS are supposed to show deference towards those of them who are stronger. I think that system is going to be badly broken, but I could be wrong. First of all, they're gonna have to face Rand Sedai, who is a lot stronger than any of them, and totally outside their hierarchies of Sitters and Amyrlin and such. Thus, technically, Egwene should defer to him. Which no AS is going to like. Second, there's Moiraine, who is now very weak but still a far more accomplished AS than any other apart from Nynaeve. Having her have to defer to some putz of an Elaida supporter is going to seem mighty strange to any AS who thinks about it (which, admittedly, may not be all of them).

Terez
11-09-2012, 06:38 AM
1. Sarene is a poet. I'm sure there are others with artistic interests.

2. It's just to show how close they are.

3.

4. I'm reminded of The DaVinci Code.

5.

6. I thought it said "Gonzo's ear".

WinespringBrother
11-09-2012, 12:11 PM
Your thread has been chosen for relocation to the Re-read forum, which is a more appropriate location for it.

GonzoTheGreat
11-12-2012, 06:13 AM
There has been occasional speculation that Nynaeve will bring the dead back to life. Most, for some reason, focus that speculation on Rand. However, there's another potential target:
Nothing remained to be defended now, only a nation to avenge, and he had been trained to that from his first step. With his mother's gift at his throat and his father's sword in his hand, with the ring branded on his heart, he had fought to avenge Malkier from his sixteenth nameday. But never had he led men into the Blight. Bukama had ridden with him, and others, but he would not lead men there. That war was his alone. The dead could not be returned to life, a land any more than a man. Only, now, Edeyn Arrel wanted to try.
Nynaeve may very well decide to try to bring Malkier back to life.

GonzoTheGreat
11-15-2012, 04:42 AM
Follow up on the previous post:
"Burning my past," he said, rising. "Burning memories. A nation. The Golden Crane will fly no more." He started to kick dirt over the ashes, then hesitated and bent to scoop up damp soil and pour it out of his hands almost formally. "No one will sorrow for me when I die, because those who would are dead already. Besides, all men die."
Here, Lan is actually committing Malkier to the Last Embrace of the Mother.

This strengthens my belief that Nynaeve won't bring Rand back to life; instead she'll resurrect Malkier.

----
In chapters 24 and 25, Moiraine is told that the King of Malkier is visiting the Aesdaishar Palace. She does not believe that, because she knows that Malkier was destroyed 25 years earlier. I have a hard time accepting this, though. After all, it was very public knowledge that the last heir to the throne had been saved; even the bloody Aiel knew that, and they're generally not all that well versed in Wetland politics. Moiraine, being schooled at the Cairhiening court, should have been aware of this. Moiraine Sedai, having been given lessons on the demise of Malkier in the Tower, should have been informed that the Malkieri royal house still existed.

"Anyway," Siuan went on, beginning to make a bundle of clothes and stockings, "I led Cal to believe I'd been dismissed from your service for spilling wine on your dress, and he's offered me a bed with the Lady Ines's servants. He thinks he might be able to get me a place with his Lady." She snorted with amusement, then caught Moiraine's eyes and snorted again, more roughly. "It isn't his bloody bed, Moiraine. And if it was, well, he has a gentle manner and the prettiest brown eyes you've ever seen. One of these days, you're going to find yourself ready to do more than dream about some man, and I hope I'm there to see it!"
Not quite sister wives, but quite close, it seems. I wonder whether or not Thom would be happy with having an audience at such a time. Come to think of it, it probably wouldn't be a first for him, considering the sisters he was 'dating' when Mat found him. In Tar Valon, that was.

WinespringBrother
11-15-2012, 07:48 AM
Follow up on the previous post:

Here, Lan is actually committing Malkier to the Last Embrace of the Mother.

This strengthens my belief that Nynaeve won't bring Rand back to life; instead she'll resurrect Malkier.

----
In chapters 24 and 25, Moiraine is told that the King of Malkier is visiting the Aesdaishar Palace. She does not believe that, because she knows that Malkier was destroyed 25 years earlier. I have a hard time accepting this, though. After all, it was very public knowledge that the last heir to the throne had been saved; even the bloody Aiel knew that, and they're generally not all that well versed in Wetland politics. Moiraine, being schooled at the Cairhiening court, should have been aware of this. Moiraine Sedai, having been given lessons on the demise of Malkier in the Tower, should have been informed that the Malkieri royal house still existed.


Not quite sister wives, but quite close, it seems. I wonder whether or not Thom would be happy with having an audience at such a time. Come to think of it, it probably wouldn't be a first for him, considering the sisters he was 'dating' when Mat found him. In Tar Valon, that was.

Thom realizes that Moiraine is nothing like those sisters lol and has moved on from that sowing oats phase apparently.

Also, Moiraine could have been saying the same thing about Siuan who is now engaged to Thom's stones buddy.

GonzoTheGreat
11-15-2012, 08:23 AM
Also, Moiraine could have been saying the same thing about Siuan who is now engaged to Thom's stones buddy.
Yeah, but Moiraine, with her rather prudish Cairhienin morals, probably wouldn't have expressed a wish to watch.

WinespringBrother
11-15-2012, 09:28 AM
Yeah, but Moiraine, with her rather prudish Cairhienin morals, probably wouldn't have expressed a wish to watch.

True *


* Not applicable during the Feast of Lights.


ETA: It seems that Tairen women are also fairly prudish, even during the Feast.

Lord of Chaos CHAPTER: 54 - The Sending
In the beginning the coarsely dressed, sometimes bare-chested oarsmen made rough jokes, not too unfriendly, about how any amount of gold was hardly worth what they were missing. They laughed as they strode back and forth along the deck, working the sweeps, and every one claimed he had been dancing with or kissing a noblewoman. One lanky fellow with a big chin even claimed he had a Tairen noblewoman on his knee before he came out to Manal's shout, but no one believed that. Perrin certainly did not; the Tairen men had taken one look at what was going on and dived headfirst into the celebrations; the Tairen women had taken one look and shut themselves up in their rooms with guards on the doors.

GonzoTheGreat
11-15-2012, 10:21 AM
Well, that does seem to apply only to the Tairen noblewomen, which Siuan isn't.

WinespringBrother
11-15-2012, 10:34 AM
Well, that does seem to apply only to the Tairen noblewomen, which Siuan isn't.

That's debatable. She isn't a noblewoman by birth perhaps, but a current Aes Sedai/former Amyrlin definitely is equivalent to a noble.

GonzoTheGreat
11-15-2012, 11:26 AM
That's debatable. She isn't a noblewoman by birth perhaps, but a current Aes Sedai/former Amyrlin definitely is equivalent to a noble.
In status, yes. In attitude towards kissing footmen and such? NS suggests that the answer there is "no, not really noble".

WinespringBrother
11-15-2012, 11:50 AM
In status, yes. In attitude towards kissing footmen and such? NS suggests that the answer there is "no, not really noble".

She wasn't Aes Sedai yet, either, I'm merely referring to their current stations since that is what would apply when discussing their current relationship statuses. Theoretically of course. It would be too funny if they ever ended up actually having such a conversation.

Ieyasu
11-15-2012, 06:03 PM
She wasn't Aes Sedai yet, either

In the scene that Gonzo posted she had already passed the test and was a full Aes Sedai...

GonzoTheGreat
11-16-2012, 03:51 AM
She wasn't Aes Sedai yet, either, I'm merely referring to their current stations since that is what would apply when discussing their current relationship statuses.
She was AS, and had temporarily run away from her post as assistant head of the Blue CIA. To have an affair with someone she wasn't married with, come to think of it. I wonder where RJ got his inspiration?

Anyways, onwards to the next book:

-In the Prologue to TEOTW, I noticed that Ishamael was wearing black, with just a bit of white and silver, but no red. This made me wonder when he switched to the Red&Black fashion, but not (yet) quite enough to start hunting it down.

-A bit further I noticed that Dragonmount formed amazingly quickly. Based on my own knowledge of fluid dynamics, I would have expected a huge load of very warm molten rock to have flown across the land as a lava flow, rather than building up as a volcano (which generally takes days, weeks or centuries). What cooled it off quickly enough to form solid walls?

-And I'll leave you with this from the epilogue to AMoL:
Egwene grimaced. "Look at you, Elaida," she said scornfully. "Once you stood first among the Servants. Once you wore the Stole, and sat in the Amyrling Seat. Once you summoned the Sitters in the Hall. Now look at you! A pitiful, shattered wretch. But it is not enough. You spanked me in the Hall of Servants. You defeated me at the Mad Soup Party. But I am the greater, now. I will not let you die without knowing that. When you die, your last thought will be the full knowledge of your defeat, of how complete and utter it is. If I let you die at all."

Now I've started with the story proper, but I haven't found any new things to remark on. Apart perhaps from wondering why there's such a big road going south from Deven Ride. What is it that they're transporting there, and what is the destination? Could be a big Trolloc Breeding Ground, to which they're shipping sheep, but that is speculative for now.

GonzoTheGreat
11-17-2012, 04:17 AM
I've reread the bit in the beginning where almost all TR women were trying to play mathmaker for Tam, reasoning that he shouldn't remain a lone widower. That made me think: what about Tam in the Stone of Tear? Why wasn't he mobbed by hordes of noblewomen?
There undoubtedly were a lot who would be too shy to try for the DR himself. But marrying his father, who can't channel, would seem a fairly reasonable alternative. Being mother to the Lord Dragon's halfbrothers isn't all that bad, is it?

All right, it might be that it would seem not quite such a good idea once the Dragon is dead and the next War of a Hundred Years is raging, but that's the future, which most nobles don't think about at all.

GonzoTheGreat
11-19-2012, 04:17 AM
From the Dark Prophecy:
Daughter of the Night, she walks again.
The ancient war, she yet fights.
Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die,
yet serve still.
This translation was provided by Verin. Suppose that it's not entirely completely correct?
Then the "who shall serve ... and die, yet serve still" could very well apply to Lanfear herself.

Who shall stand against her coming?
The Shining Walls shall kneel.
Minor punctuation change:
"Who shall stand against her coming? The Shining Walls shall. Kneel!"
And suddenly this points straight at Moiraine.
Intriguing, isn't it? Probably not correct, I admit, but a neat alternative nonetheless.

And then there's the meaning of "Lanfear" ("Daughter of the Night"). There have been a number of discussions on which part of the name was which, and as far as I remember, those discussions got nowhere as a result of lack of evidence. Now, thanks to the fact that I finally understood the importance of a bit of evidence which we've had for over a year now, I worked it out. Nynaeve is Lady Gaga Reborn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marry_The_Night). The rest is trivially easy; I hope I won't need to spell it out.

GonzoTheGreat
11-26-2012, 07:34 AM
I noticed that Tam had glass windows in his farm. Which makes me wonder where the glass was produced, and how it was brought to such a remote location.

I'm wondering whether the ta'veren tracking that Ishamael and Lanfear do is a True Power trick. If so, that would explain why no one else does it or can do it.

Finally: Narg. We all know that Narg was exceptionally smart. But was his only role really to get killed by accident?
We also know that Myrddraal are the sons of Trollocs. So I propose the following theory: Shaidar Haran is the Son of Narg.

GonzoTheGreat
11-29-2012, 07:52 AM
The mystery deepens. By quite a large margin, I have to say:
Interview: Jan 6th, 2004
USA Today Interview (Verbatim)
NY, NY
Why was there a blue light flashing when Thom met the Fade in Whitebridge?
Robert Jordan
Because Thom's best knives are very special indeed.

Now, at first glance, that sort of makes sense. But then there's this:
Suddenly Thom's gelding galloped out of the night, hard behind the Trollocs. The Trollocs had only time enough to look back in surprise before the gleeman's hands whipped back and then forward. Moonlight flashed off steel. One Trolloc tumbled forward, rolling over and over before landing in a heap, while a second dropped to its knees with a scream, clawing at its back with both hands. The third snarled, baring a muzzleful of sharp teeth, but as its companions toppled it whirled away into the darkness. Thom's hand made the whip-like motion again, and the Trolloc shrieked, but the shrieks faded into the distance as it ran.
Rand and Mat pulled up and stared at the gleeman.
"My best knives," Thom muttered, but he made no effort to get down and retrieve them. "That one will bring others. I hope the river isn't too far. I hope ..."
Instead of saying what else he hoped, he shook his head and set off at a quick canter. Rand and Mat fell in behind him.
So Thom left his best knives stuck in a couple of Trollocs outside Shadar Logoth. Then, when he met a Lurk in Whitebridge, that Fade apparently gave him his knives back, and Thom then used those to fight off the Halfman.

Which, I must say, raises some questions on Myrddraal ethics. They don't seem to be as black and black as I'd thought so far.

GonzoTheGreat
12-03-2012, 07:05 AM
Watching a new (for me, at least) Mythbuster episode, I was struck by how that could apply to the WOT: "They do not just tell the myths, they make them." I just hope that Kari Byron isn't Egwene Reborn. Of course, she could be Kari al-Thor, who was actually a redhead too.

GonzoTheGreat
12-08-2012, 08:45 AM
Yet another Verin riddle, as if we didn't have enough of those, yet:
Verin is one of the many who get caught up in Rand's Portal Stone mishap. As a result, she's gone away for quite a while. Her Warder wasn't with them, though. So how did he react to that?

We know that he survived, he was with her later on in during the Two Rivers campaign.

Terez
12-08-2012, 09:27 AM
I imagine he knew she wasn't dead.

GonzoTheGreat
12-08-2012, 09:36 AM
Presumably, but it would have been interesting to know in what direction his locator sense was pointing.
Then there's the many lifetimes, with lots of danger and death, that Rand experienced. If Verin went through something similar, then Tomas would have felt her die a bunch of times. Even if she lived after that again, that still would have been somewhat unpleasant, at the very least.

Weiramon
12-12-2012, 02:37 PM
So Thom left his best knives stuck in a couple of Trollocs outside Shadar Logoth. Then, when he met a Lurk in Whitebridge, that Fade apparently gave him his knives back, and Thom then used those to fight off the Halfman.

Which, I must say, raises some questions on Myrddraal ethics. They don't seem to be as black and black as I'd thought so far.

Pshaw! No doubt this decrepit gleeman will change his story and claim they were his second-best knives lost at Aridhol.

GonzoTheGreat
12-12-2012, 02:52 PM
Riding down the hillside, Ituralde smiled. If they saw the trap, then he had another plan already laid, and another behind that. He always looked ahead, and always planned for every eventuality he could imagine, short of the Dragon Reborn himself suddenly appearing in front of him. He thought the plans he had would suffice for the moment.
I think I'd missed this bit of foreshadowing. Then again, why ever would the Dragon Reborn do such a thing?

GonzoTheGreat
12-15-2012, 11:56 AM
When Egwene and Leane cuendillared the harbor chains and then were captured, what happened to their rowers?
I haven't found any mention of them, but it seems a bit unlikely that they were left to drown.

If an AS hides her ability to channel and then channels an inverted weave, would a male channeler still notice it?
I'm wondering whether the trick only works on women, and I can't remember evidence one way or another.

Cats are attracted to female channelers, dogs react aggressively on them.
Dogs are attracted to male channelers, cats avoid them.
How would those two species have reacted to Halima?

Terez
12-15-2012, 12:05 PM
If an AS hides her ability to channel and then channels an inverted weave, would a male channeler still notice it?
I'm wondering whether the trick only works on women, and I can't remember evidence one way or another.
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“Cadsuane, Nynaeve, you’d better embrace the Source now,” he said. “We’re getting close.”

“I’ve been holding saidar since back on that hill,” Nynaeve told him. Cadsuane snorted and gave him a look that called him an idiot.

Rand stilled a grimace before it could begin. His skin felt no tingling, no goosebumps. They had masked their ability, and with it, shielded him from sensing the Power in them. Men had had few advantages over women when it came to channeling, but now they had lost those few while women retained all of theirs.

GonzoTheGreat
12-15-2012, 12:24 PM
I don't know what chapter that is in, but I strongly suspect it is some way beyond where I am right now in my reread. I've just had the scene where Selucia was evaluated a given horse. :D

GonzoTheGreat
12-25-2012, 09:23 AM
While rereading a scene where Gawyn decided not to eavesdrop on some AS, I realised that the wards against eavesdropping might not be as useful and secure as most AS think. Those wards stop people outside them from hearing what is said. They also give warning if someone tries to use the OP to listen in from a distance. But they don't help if the listener is already inside.

That, of course, doesn't matter all that much as long as you can simply see who is there, and shove anyone unwanted out of the door before beginning. But what about other listening devices?
For instance, would a ward detect a OP (or battery) operated cassette player? I don't think so.

Thus, all that is needed for those who want to eavesdrop is to install such a device in a place where secrets are shared, and then now and then replace the cassette/memory card/whatever is used to store sound. And to keep using probes to listen in, so as to give the impression that the wards are doing any good, of course.

Terez
12-25-2012, 09:50 AM
While rereading a scene where Gawyn decided not to eavesdrop on some AS, I realised that the wards against eavesdropping might not be as useful and secure as most AS think. Those wards stop people outside them from hearing what is said. They also give warning if someone tries to use the OP to listen in from a distance. But they don't help if the listener is already inside.
I'm pretty sure the Aes Sedai are aware of that. So when they want to ward against people inside, they do what Sheriam et al. did when they were making a deal with Bryne in Salidar.

Thus, all that is needed for those who want to eavesdrop is to install such a device in a place where secrets are shared, and then now and then replace the cassette/memory card/whatever is used to store sound. And to keep using probes to listen in, so as to give the impression that the wards are doing any good, of course.
I'm sure once recording devices are (re)invented they'll think of something.

Jalyn
12-25-2012, 11:41 AM
Nyneave used exactly that loophole in Salidar to listen to the discussion with Tarna by just walking up to an open window.

GonzoTheGreat
12-26-2012, 04:39 AM
Nyneave used exactly that loophole in Salidar to listen to the discussion with Tarna by just walking up to an open window.
That worked on AS, it probably wouldn't work on half way competent conspirators.

Leaving a piece of wood with an inverted recording weave on it would work, though. At least, until someone chucked it on the fire, in order to get warm.
Maybe some further planning on what kind of innocuous thing would be most useful is required here.

As an addition: if you stuck your head in an anti-eavesdropping weave in such a way that one ear was inside it and the other on the outside, could you still follow what was being discussed while also being able to keep an ear on what was going on outside?

GonzoTheGreat
12-26-2012, 04:53 AM
I wondered about the first Portal Stone adventure that Rand had had, with Loial and Hurin. My question was: why?
What reason did Ishamael have for sending the Dragon off on such a wilde Grolm chase?
From the Shadow's point of view, it seems totally random. I know that Lanfear took advantage of this opportunity to stage a Damsel in Distress performance, but I doubt that was what Ishamael had planned when he did it.

Bonus question: why didn't he take the opportunity to kill Mat and Perrin, when he'd separated the Dragon from them?

GonzoTheGreat
12-26-2012, 07:45 AM
Why hasn't Tuon bothered to have Suroth questioned, after discovering her betrayal?

Terez
12-26-2012, 08:14 AM
I wondered about the first Portal Stone adventure that Rand had had, with Loial and Hurin. My question was: why?
What reason did Ishamael have for sending the Dragon off on such a wilde Grolm chase?
From the Shadow's point of view, it seems totally random. I know that Lanfear took advantage of this opportunity to stage a Damsel in Distress performance, but I doubt that was what Ishamael had planned when he did it.

Bonus question: why didn't he take the opportunity to kill Mat and Perrin, when he'd separated the Dragon from them?
It was Lanfear who brought Rand to the portal world. Egwene saw it in a dream. She wanted to force him to use the Power.

GonzoTheGreat
12-26-2012, 09:31 AM
It was Lanfear who brought Rand to the portal world. Egwene saw it in a dream. She wanted to force him to use the Power.
Well, maybe skipping that book entirely in this reread didn't quite work out. I'd sort of misremembered precisely when Ishamael and Lanfear appeared and, more relevantly, disappeared in that dream.

rand
12-26-2012, 09:27 PM
Regarding the wards against eavesdropping, would it possible to just make a gateway into the warded room and listen through it? Obviously a very small gateway. I don't remember if having a gateway opened next to you is enough to sense the weaves/channeling, though.

GonzoTheGreat
12-27-2012, 03:44 AM
One does feel it if a gateway opens. At least, men feel it when a man or a woman opens a gateway near them, and women feel it when another woman does so.

But of course that's no problem. Open a small gateway to the place you want to spy on when no one is there, yet, invert the weaves so they're not going to be noticed, and simply keep the thing open while the conspirators file into the room and start talking.

Still more of a fuss than my tape recorder weave would be, but on the other hand, it does use currently existing technology, which can be useful if you're not feeling all that innovative for some reason.

GonzoTheGreat
12-27-2012, 05:49 AM
Reading about Mat's approach to Hinderstap, I suddenly wondered: where are the Band followers?

Even Egwene has managed to acquirre a whole bunch of camp followers, and other armies also have them. But the Band doesn't. How come?

Ieyasu
12-27-2012, 02:43 PM
Reading about Mat's approach to Hinderstap, I suddenly wondered: where are the Band followers?

Even Egwene has managed to acquirre a whole bunch of camp followers, and other armies also have them. But the Band doesn't. How come?

They have some followers, Setalle Ann being one of them, cooks, some were demonstrated in mat's slow crawl towards Illian... but I think for the most part they stay on the move too much (and too fast, its noted that mat's forces make as much as twice as much time as normal cavalry forces, and can keep up with the Aiel) for followers to keep up.

GonzoTheGreat
12-29-2012, 05:00 AM
I'm wondering: are AS still bound by the Three Oaths when they are in TAR?
I know that they believe they are, which serves to bind them while they are Dreaming. But I'm not sure that belief is actually warranted, as the Oath Rod seems to have quite clear physical repercussions.
An interesting question, of course, is how to test it. I haven't yet figured out a way of doing so.


Then, furthermore, there's corroboration for Thom's Prophecy from TDR, chapter 32:
"Heavens, no," Verin said. "She's many things, but not a Darkfriend. You'd sooner find a Whitecloak marrying an Aes Sedai than find Laras swearing to the Great Lord. Extraordinary woman. And quite good at judging the flavor of teas."
So I still think that Galad and Egwene are going to end up being married to each other.

GonzoTheGreat
12-29-2012, 06:25 AM
Point of order: who is actually legally Bela's owner?

That horse used to belong to Tam al'Thor. Rand then borrowed her to provide his girlfriend with a mound, which was sort of all right, I guess, but shouldn't have changed the ownership. Since then, there hasn't been a legal sale that I know of, so seemingly Bela would still belong to al'Thor senior.

I'm not sure how the White Tower would react if he came to ask for his horse back, though.

Of course, there's also the point that Rand will have to fight Bela (and her rider, probably) very soon, but here I'm ignoring that detail.

Sarevok
12-29-2012, 06:38 AM
Well, if he'd ask the local stable-hand, he'd probably have him thrown out. If he goes straight to the top and asks the Amyrlin, I doubt she'd give him any trouble. :)

GonzoTheGreat
12-29-2012, 06:40 AM
Well, if he'd ask the local stable-hand, he'd probably have him thrown out. If he goes straight to the top and asks the Amyrlin, I doubt she'd give him any trouble. :)
Seeing as how he actually tamed Cadsuane already, you mean?

GonzoTheGreat
12-30-2012, 06:07 AM
Siuan had found her Great Serpent ring; it felt very good to have it on her finger again.
Last we saw of this ring, Silviana took it for safe keeping until Egwene was actually worthy of it.
Did Siuan in her detour into the Tower manage to reach the office of the Mistress of Novices and fetch the ring from there, or is this a continuity error?

Rand had studied the Karaethon Prophecy. Unfortunately, teasing out its meaning was like trying to untie a hundred yards of tangled rope. With one hand.
Nature (or Semirhage, which amounts to the same) has provided him with precisely the necessary number of hands to confidently tackle this tangle.

GonzoTheGreat
01-02-2013, 03:04 AM
I've now reached the point in ToM where Egwene is worrying over how to catch Mesaana. One of the problems she has is that no one actually knows anything about the Forsaken anymore, with the exceptions of the other Forsaken and Rand al'Thor. She can't reach any of the other Forsaken, and even if she did manage it, they probably wouldn't bother helping her out. So she doesn't ask Rand either. As is usually the case with Egwene, I think that that she is making a mistake.

She Delved, staying away from the wounds at his side, which were pits of darkness that seemed to try to suck in her energy. She kept her attention on his mind. Where was the-

She stiffened. The darkness was enormous, covering the entirety of his mind. Thousands upon thousands of the tiny black thorns pricked into his brain, but beneath them was a brilliant white lacing of something. A white radiance, like liquid Power. Light given form and life. She gasped. It coated each of the dark tines, driving into his mind alongside them. What did it mean?

She didn't have any idea how to begin working on this. There were so many barbs. How could he even think with that much darkness pressing against his brain? And what had created the whiteness? She'd Healed Rand before, and hadn't noticed it then. Of course, she'd never seen the darkness until recently. Her practice with Delving was likely the reason.
I'm wondering: do we see here the actual purpose of the Eye of the World?
Was that meant to protect the Dragon from the Taint as well as could be managed?

Weiramon
01-03-2013, 06:13 PM
Pshaw! You make it sound as though this so called Eye of the World was made against the greatest need the world would ever face.

Next you will claim a hundred Aes Sedai gave their lives to create it. Or that it has the power to break the Great . . . I mean the Dark One's prison.

Ishara
01-03-2013, 08:11 PM
I've now reached the point in ToM where Egwene is worrying over how to catch Mesaana. One of the problems she has is that no one actually knows anything about the Forsaken anymore, with the exceptions of the other Forsaken and Rand al'Thor. She can't reach any of the other Forsaken, and even if she did manage it, they probably wouldn't bother helping her out. So she doesn't ask Rand either. As is usually the case with Egwene, I think that that she is making a mistake.


I'm wondering: do we see here the actual purpose of the Eye of the World?
Was that meant to protect the Dragon from the Taint as well as could be managed?

Sorry...how? Like a buffer? Or a sink from which to draw OP from while he figures it out? Or something else?

GonzoTheGreat
01-04-2013, 04:13 AM
Sorry...how? Like a buffer? Or a sink from which to draw OP from while he figures it out? Or something else?
A protective cap around the Dragon's mind.
That protection would of course only work if the Dragon had the right mindset, so when he was being Dark Rand, he still got infected by the Taint. Now that he has learned to always look on the bright side of life, he is also protected against the madness induced by the Taint, which means that he'll keep his sunny disposition henceforth.

Ishara
01-04-2013, 09:53 PM
I'm a bit rusty, and I'm not really sure how serious you are about this, so I proceed with caution...

So, if he hadn't depleted the Eye, it would have acted as a cap/ buffer, but he because he did deplete it, it didn't? After all, he didn't go all Dark Rand for a while, right? I mean, it took a while and many tiny deaths by a thousand cuts to get there.

GonzoTheGreat
01-05-2013, 04:48 AM
No, that's not quite what I think was the idea.

My idea is that by depleting the Eye, he ingested (or whatever metaphor is appropriate) the protection. But because he had the wrong attitude (being distrustful, angry, suspicious and so forth), this protection did not work perfectly, thus allowing the Taint to warp him and pushing him even further in the wrong direction. Then, after his Sleepover on the Mount, he changed enough to make the protection work as intended. And that's how Nynaeve found him: with the Taint induced Compulsion all over his mind, but him being protected from it by the effects of the Eye.

GonzoTheGreat
01-05-2013, 05:17 AM
He turned and ran, leaving Egwene sputtering. It seemed she'd managed to become an Aes Sedai. That was good; she deserved it.
LOL

GonzoTheGreat
01-06-2013, 06:35 AM
It's a sign!
"But the wetlands are part of our destiny, are they not? The things the Car'a'carn is said to have revealed . . . they link us to the wetlands in curious ways. Assuming what he said was true."
"He would not lie about this," Aviendha said.
A small wake of buzzards cawed and flapped past in the dark night air.
But what do buzzards flying at night in the Aiel Waste mean?
Did Rand actually lie? Can he be trusted? Will he still respect her in the morning?
"Everyone says that," Faile replied. "But you can have an air of authority while keeping things brief. We'll talk about it. Next time you'll do a much better job."
What is going to be that "next time"?
It seems likely that Perrin will officiate at the Dragon's Wedding.

GonzoTheGreat
01-07-2013, 06:21 AM
The land beyond this gateway more rugged than southern Andor. Fewer trees, more prairie grass. Some ruins lay in the distance. The open area before them was filled with tents, banners, and camps. It looked as if Egwene's coalition was gathered.
Oh golly, "some ruins". More Portal Stone fun!

GonzoTheGreat
01-09-2013, 05:07 AM
Should've posted this here before starting my read of AMoL. Oh well:
Moiraine. He was talking to flaming Moiraine! Though he had gone into the tower with the distinct purpose of rescuing her, it seemed incredible that he was speaking with her. It was like talking to . . .
Well, like talking to Birgitte Silverbow or Jain Farstrider. Mat smiled, shaking his head. What a world this was, and what a strange place he had in it.
Almost as if Moiraine might be a HotH too, isn't it?