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Davian93
09-08-2008, 12:24 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/08/lhc.collider/index.html

Neato!

Gilshalos Sedai
09-08-2008, 12:31 PM
~waits for the Fundies to gather enough money to get to Switzerland to protest~

Crispin's Crispian
09-08-2008, 01:01 PM
You just wait. They're going to collide a couple rogue hadrons and Europe will turn into a black hole.

Brita
09-08-2008, 01:10 PM
OK, this totally sounds like the set up for a post-apocalypse movie.

But possible discoveries new dimensions! How cool would that be! Or scary- depends what is in those dimensions ;)

I sense a movie script or a novel in the making...

John Snow
09-08-2008, 01:15 PM
we live very close to the Jet Propulsion Lab, whom we like to blame for various odd phenomena (other than the weird neighbors we have who find it pleasant to walk to work). For instance, there are two more-or-less parallel streets up into our neighborhood - ok, three - Marengo, Fair Oaks, and Lincoln. Marengo and Fair Oaks run steeply uphill. Lincoln is not nearly so steep, yet you can get to the same place, ie our house, as on the other two streets. Just without as much of a slope. We blame JPL for this, figuring some clowns over there were messing around and warped space just a bit. Somewhere is a really steep street in the middle of the flatlands.

Gilshalos Sedai
09-08-2008, 01:17 PM
I sense a movie script or a novel in the making...

Hey, I had about five or six ideas just reading the article.

Sinistrum
09-08-2008, 01:25 PM
They're going to collide a couple rogue hadrons and Europe will turn into a black hole.

Really? Really Sdog? I mean you're not just pulling my chain here right? It's really going to happen? Sweet!!!!! :p

Bryan Blaire
09-08-2008, 07:53 PM
It will be very, very interesting to see what comes out of this. After all, like the guy said, when electrons were first discovered, it was kinda just an interesting point, but now look at all the things we do with them. We could be looking at something that could produce some kind of quantum energy, etc. It would be funny if they produce something that causes some sort of self-sustaining reaction down there, that hopefully doesn't involve Europe turning into a black hole.

I did think it was funny that one scientist said "We'd have to wait sooooo long for a black hole we made to be dangerous." Hell, man, we just have to wait for a long time for irradiated ground to become safe to live on again, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Yuri33
09-08-2008, 10:40 PM
It may destroy the universe, but it will look damn fine (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html) doing it.

Matoyak
09-09-2008, 12:32 AM
Hey, I had about five or six ideas just reading the article.
Dan Brown, Angels and Demons

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly

Hopper
09-09-2008, 07:17 AM
I wonder when they'll get to the experiment trying to turn one of the researchers into Dr. Manhattan?

Gilshalos Sedai
09-09-2008, 08:39 AM
Dan Brown, Angels and Demons

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly


Um, I'd like to think I'm a little more original than Dan Brown, thanks, Mato.

Hopper
09-09-2008, 11:35 AM
Um, I'd like to think I'm a little more original than Dan Brown, thanks, Mato.


Gil -

If you had the choice between more original, or more successfully published, which would you choose?

Gilshalos Sedai
09-09-2008, 11:59 AM
Door #3. Both. ;)

Cary Sedai
09-09-2008, 12:45 PM
Dan Brown, Angels and Demons

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly

I liked Angels and Demons :D
I love those kinds of stories.

Also the LHC looks like the machine they had built in the movie Innerspace, with Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid. That was a good movie! (For the 80's :p )

I'm interested to find out what the results of the test are.

Brita
09-10-2008, 12:21 PM
First test (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080910/science/science_big_bang)is successful.

Gilshalos Sedai
09-10-2008, 12:24 PM
Wow, no black holes, yet, eh?

Brita
09-10-2008, 12:27 PM
They haven't actually smashed particles together yet, or used full power- we'll just see what happens when they start doing that ;)

Gilshalos Sedai
09-10-2008, 12:29 PM
I was being sardonic.

GonzoTheGreat
09-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Wow, no black holes, yet, eh?
Might take a few hours, if it started falling to the center of the Earth. WAFO.

Brita
09-10-2008, 12:53 PM
I was being sardonic.

I know- I was trying to reply with similar wit and banter- but for some reason I have difficulty getting that across. Even with the winky emoticon.

I was driving home the other day and I was thinking I should title all my posts with one of the two following phrases "This post is in jest" or "This post is in earnest", just to aid in my discussion board communication. Maybe a third option could be "This post is half jest, half earnest" for certain situations.

Davian93
09-10-2008, 12:55 PM
I know- I was trying to reply with similar wit and banter- but for some reason I have difficulty getting that across. Even with the winky emoticon.

I was driving home the other day and I was thinking I should title all my posts with one of the two following phrases "This post is in jest" or "This post is in earnest", just to aid in my discussion board communication. Maybe a third option could be "This post is half jest, half earnest" for certain situations.


I used to ahve the phrase "99% of what I post should not be taken serious" in my sig...it cleared up the confusion til everyone figured out that I was a cynic and smartass.

Ivhon
09-10-2008, 01:16 PM
Nah...leave em guessing.

IM JUST KIDDING!!


Or am I....?

Mort
09-10-2008, 01:17 PM
We'll have to wait for the smashing part until October.

I've only heard that creating a black hole is a possibility. I think the scientists doesn't even know what actually will happen :)

Was it Davian who quoted a scientist that said that creating a black hole would take a long time to concern us... how long time? I thought that if a black hole would be created it would grow rapidly and swallow earth fast. This isn't so?

Sarevok
09-10-2008, 01:24 PM
I've only heard that creating a black hole is a possibility. I think the scientists doesn't even know what actually will happen
Yeah... that's kinda the point of doing experiments.
If they knew what would happen, there wouldn't be any need to conduct the experiments.

Marie Curie 7
09-10-2008, 01:38 PM
We missed the pajama party (http://www.fnal.gov/pajamaparty/) at Fermilab to celebrate the occasion, though. :(

Just imagine all those physicists in pajamas with pocket protectors. :D Here's the first part of a summary about the event...clicky (http://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2008/09/us-physicists-celebrate-lhcs-start-up.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=space1_head_US%20physicists%20celebrate%20LH C%20with%20pajama%20party) for more.

US physicists celebrate LHC with pajama party

Fermilab, a US physics laboratory in Batavia, Illinois, hosted an overnight pajama party to watch and celebrate the start-up of the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland today. Fermilab has a remote operations center for the LHC, which allows physicists to monitor the LHC and operate one of its detectors, called CMS, from the US. The remote operations center has been used to manage night shifts at the LHC during tests leading up to today's switch-on.
....

Davian93
09-10-2008, 01:38 PM
The upside is that it'll slow down any rogue terminators brought back in time to kill John Connor. I'm not sure who quoted the black hole thing...wasn't me though.

Gilshalos Sedai
09-10-2008, 03:07 PM
For periodic updates on whether the Hadron Supercollider has destroyed the world, check here. (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/)

Davian93
09-10-2008, 03:15 PM
For periodic updates on whether the Hadron Supercollider has destroyed the world, check here. (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/)

~clicks link~

Woohoo...Still Safe.

Sinistrum
09-10-2008, 03:16 PM
Just imagine all those physicists in pajamas with pocket protectors.

I'm just imagining a bunch of physics geeks in onesies and laughing hysterically.

Brita
09-10-2008, 03:17 PM
For periodic updates on whether the Hadron Supercollider has destroyed the world, check here. (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/)

LOL!!!

10 Other Dates the World Failed to End (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2778490/Large-Hadron-Collider-10-other-dates-when-the-world-failed-to-end.html)

Gilshalos Sedai
09-10-2008, 03:22 PM
I'm just imagining a bunch of physics geeks in onesies and laughing hysterically.


One word for you, Sini: Fred.

Sinistrum
09-10-2008, 04:25 PM
One word for you, Sini: Fred.

One word for Fred. GIGGITY!

Birgitte
09-10-2008, 05:42 PM
10 Other Dates the World Failed to End (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2778490/Large-Hadron-Collider-10-other-dates-when-the-world-failed-to-end.html)

hehehe... That's funny, Brita. I feel bad for the people who actually believed that stuff, though.

Match 1997

And don't ya just love spellcheck?

DahLliA
09-10-2008, 06:56 PM
kinda disappointing that nothing happened :/

on the other hand: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/

quite bad if you ask me

Crispin's Crispian
09-10-2008, 07:01 PM
kinda disappointing that nothing happened :/

on the other hand: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/

quite bad if you ask me

Seems like kind of a bad gamble to make. I mean...if the world ends, you're going to die anyway. Why not wait for the fireworks?

tworiverswoman
09-10-2008, 07:47 PM
Going through some of the links here and looking at "related" links (don't ask me how I found the Sarah Palin "Action figure" doll -- damned if I know) I found this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26320396/?pg=1#LHC_ElemetaryParticles) link. It's ... weird. It's written in a clever, rather "folksy" way -- with some humor, but it's still so far out of my knowledge base (even WITH my Sci-Fi reading for 40 years...) as to leave me more confused coming out than going in...

But if anyone is curious about what Hadrons are (not you scientist types) this is a quickie tour of the terms.

Brita
09-10-2008, 08:29 PM
kinda disappointing that nothing happened :/

on the other hand: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/

quite bad if you ask me

Ummm- someone's just a tad emotionally unstable--- sheesh!

Cary Sedai
09-10-2008, 09:54 PM
The "quikie tour" was most in... erm, uh... very in... it was something. I don't think I know much more than before I read it, but I have more questions.

GonzoTheGreat
09-11-2008, 04:24 AM
If you want to, you can ask your questions here. Then I (or someone else) can probably tell you that we can't really answer your question, but the reason why may vary. Perhaps it will be because I do not know the answer myself, or it may be that I don't know how to explain it without depending on other concepts that you are not sufficiently familiar with, or maybe you manage to uncover yet another reason.

I can say that my opinion of the tour is that it is not all that enlightening. Of course, there's a good reason for that: it is not possible to explain these matters in so few words, or, for that matter, in anything other than mathematics.

JSUCamel
09-11-2008, 10:23 AM
There was a TED speech awhile back by a guy who works at CERN and is one of the scientists waiting on research from the LHC.

He was so excited about the possibilities, especially about finding the Higgs boson (or whatever it's called). He made it so accessible and understandable. Basically, he said "We know it's there, even though we haven't found it yet." and compares it to a puzzle that's missing one piece. You know there's supposed to be something there, and you really have a good idea of what it's supposed to look like and what its function is.. but you can't find it anywhere.

Here's the link to the presentation:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html

Seriously, if you have 15 minutes, watch it. It's very, very enlightening and entertaining.

Crispin's Crispian
09-11-2008, 02:01 PM
This is pretty cool...but nothing really happens that you can see. I guess when the find the boson they'll be celebrating? LOL

LHC Webcams (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html)