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Terez
01-13-2013, 08:08 AM
I tried to keep track of the named deaths, but I'm sure I missed some. And I started on chapter 3.

Corteren 141
Nazar 181
Nalaam 210
Bulen 212
Bakh 212
Ragon 213
Kragil 213
Abors 291
Evin 291
Deepe 333
Yokata 359
Romanda 378
Duhara 427
Falion 427
Joni 485
Annah 486
Tenobia 511
Gallenne 527
Trom 558
Berisha 574
Kiruna 593
Faeldrin 593
Vitalien 593
Kwamesa 628
Einar 628
Symon 658
Trask 675
Siuan 691
Charn 699
Gawyn 708
Bryne 722
Doesine 755
Aravine 762
Bela 770
Bashere 780
Deira 780
Hurin 780
Jori Congar 780
Enaila 780
Leiran 780
Karldin 780
Beldeine 780
Birgitte 785
Taim 794
Egwene 795
Demandred 806
Hanlon 814
Rhuarc 838
Jeaine Caide 862
Alanna 872
Slayer 875
Fain 881
Lanfear 889

I also tried to keep track of new characters, again starting on chapter 3.

Lind 112
Frask 114
Leish 123
Dobser 124
Leems 125
Sayer 127
Katerin 144
Sifter 150
Dashar Knob 150
Polov Heights 150
Hawal Ford 151
Anasai of the Ryddingwood 200
Sarinde 173
Bakh 212
Ragon 213
Kragil 213
Abors 234
House Haak 247
Nichil 261
Ludin 261
Daruo 315
Barrin 315
Benish 329
Piava 346
Yokata 359
Lady Ells 360
Nata 371
Raemassa 375
Shaen 381
General Haerm 392
Fogh the Tireless 393
Bao the Wyld 405
Savara 434
Varuota 434
Knotai 436
Awlsten 448
Holcom 483
Captain Denhold 485
Annah 485
Catrona 489
Washim 499
Geral 499
Courtani 501
Makoti 513
Pylar 535
Binde 538
Kiem Lewin 542
Jer al'Hune 542
Catrona 549
Classen Bayor 549
Battle of Kolesar 549
Lord Gokhan 552
Priya Narrows 557
Gilber 567
Soro 591
Silvic 595
Laandon 602
Cynd 608
Sigmont 609
Gelen 614
Allin 626
Einar 627
Kimtin 633
Tinna 635
Mika 640
Sabinel 643
Gesrich 643
Sidama 646
Kline 647
Alix 647
Mallone 648
Brokel 648
Symon 658
Janina 667
Trask 674
Baelder 674
Adora 679
Sana Ashraf 686
Pena 686
Shendla 694
Galbrait 694
Myk 699
Charn 699
Alhanra 706
Deoan 710
Darbinda 711
Renel 713
Theodohr 723
Celebrain 724
Lifa 751
Pansai 752
Manda Wan 756
Melten 757
Dennel 758
Ronja 777
Kitan 777
Sakarnen 782
Isan 808
Buad of Albhain 816
Hend the Striker 816
Ratliff 825
Stedding Sholoon 842
Lindsar 842
Desautel 846
Master al'Moor 855
Shaisam 864
Sulaan 868
Dhana 869
Elswell 896
Shanan 900

I'll update these lists as I reread.

KyleLitke
01-13-2013, 08:25 AM
I wouldn't count Rand either, but why not Moridin?

GonzoTheGreat
01-13-2013, 08:33 AM
I wouldn't count Rand either, but why not Moridin?
Did he die, or is he still stuck somewhere in the back of Rand's head, as LTT used to be?

Terez
01-13-2013, 09:01 AM
Yeah, I actually thought that was kind of open-ended. They were merging, which supposedly facilitated Rand's body-stealing.

KyleLitke
01-13-2013, 09:56 AM
I thought the swap happened fairly quickly. It's specifically pointed out that Rand is growing weaker and Moridin stronger, and since the girls were feeling Rand (in soul, not body) grow stronger, I assumed that meant the thing that was growing weaker was Moridins soul in Rands body. Rand certainly seemed to think so since he thinks that Moridin is being burned with full honors of the Dragon Reborn.

Also, if we assume Mins merging viewing was about Rand and Moridin, she outright says one lives and one dies. I take that to mean Rand's "soul" merges with Moridins body and Moridin's soul with Rands body, with the former living and the latter dying.

Davian93
01-13-2013, 10:34 AM
~reads list of new characters~

I really despised that stupid fan contest.

Jokeslayer
01-13-2013, 11:33 AM
Polov Heights seems like a particularly bad name for a character.

Terez
01-13-2013, 11:40 AM
I put in place names and whatnot because Brandon uses fan names for those too. This one might have been in the notes, though; not sure. I'll have to look at the Tweets about fan names (which I'm not entirely certain I kept up with).

Edit: I did (http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=639#1), but no Polov.

KyleLitke
01-13-2013, 11:44 AM
Polov Heights seems like a particularly bad name for a character.

Uncool, I was going to name my kid Polov Heights. :(

Mort
01-13-2013, 05:07 PM
Uncool, I was going to name my kid Polov Heights. :(

I'm gonna name mine Fogh the Tireless

Terez
01-13-2013, 05:17 PM
It's a good Viking name.

I already added a few I'd missed.

connabard
01-13-2013, 06:13 PM
I was actually disappointed that the only tier 1 character to die was Egwene.
Would have loved to have Perrin, Nynaeve, Rand, Aviendha and Moiraine all die
I love when characters I love die

Terez
01-13-2013, 06:51 PM
There are plenty of stories out there for you, then. Not every story is about a death toll.

mauifranko78
01-16-2013, 03:02 PM
You missed Lanfear! 889

Toss the dice
01-16-2013, 03:19 PM
Favorite deaths: Egwene and Gawyn.

Least favorite deaths: Siuan and Alanna

Other than those, the rest were all just kind of blah to me, which is funny, because I could rattle off a ton of names that I definitely would care about one way or the other.

KilMichaelMcC
01-16-2013, 03:29 PM
Isan and Somara don't belong on the list, they're Maidens who died in previous books, Rand is just thinking of them amongst all the people who've died for him.

Terez
01-16-2013, 04:03 PM
Ah, I was thinking Lamelle was the only one of the motherers who had died. And I didn't remember Isan at all. Also, why do you hate Sini?

KilMichaelMcC
01-16-2013, 04:08 PM
I didn't remember Isan either, she's just a name dropped in Crown of Swords as having died at Dumai's Wells, but looked her up when I saw her on the list next to Somara, who I knew had died guarding Rand's door during the attack on the Sun Palace.

...Who is Sini?

Terez
01-16-2013, 04:09 PM
Michael McC, a.k.a. Sinistrum.

KilMichaelMcC
01-16-2013, 04:16 PM
Oh. Well, I'm new to posting here obviously, so I wasn't familiar with them. "MichaelMcC" is from my own name, and "Kil" isn't short for kill but part of my original screen name from when I first came online years and years ago that I've stuck with.

Ivhon
01-16-2013, 04:26 PM
My heart dropped most when Bela died. I actually said "aww, shit" aloud which drew a look from Mrsivhon

SauceyBlueConfetti
01-16-2013, 04:32 PM
My heart dropped most when Bela died. I actually said "aww, shit" aloud which drew a look from Mrsivhon

Agreed. As dumb as that is. I got upset, I admit it.

Other bits that made me sad:
Annoura, burned out
Toveine, turned
Lan, died. Wait, no...didn't die.
Alanna, gave more than expected
Doesine, no head
Hurin, well, no that really didn't bother me

Terez
01-16-2013, 04:46 PM
Alanna, gave more than expected
Doesine, no head
I, skimmer that I am, read that as "Alanna, gave more head than expected."

Davian93
01-16-2013, 08:38 PM
I, skimmer that I am, read that as "Alanna, gave more head than expected."

Damn, I missed that scene.

MissMeggles
01-16-2013, 11:39 PM
You missed Slayer on the death list-

Alec
01-16-2013, 11:49 PM
Does Morgase die?

On pg 785
"Mellar kicked at Birgitte’s corpse as a man rode up with a body draped
across the back of his saddle. The man wore an Andoran uniform, and the
facedown corpse dangled golden hair. Whoever the poor woman was, she
wore a dress exactly like Elayne’s.
Oh no. . ."

I also vaguely remember reading something about a HotH that looked like Elayne, but I couldn't find it so maybe I made that up.

I thought at the time it was some look alike to convince people Elayne was dead, but he was going to kill her anyway so why would he need that?

eht slat meit
01-17-2013, 12:28 AM
I thought at the time it was some look alike to convince people Elayne was dead, but he was going to kill her anyway so why would he need that?

It was my understanding that the purpose was to leave a copy of Elayne behind that hadn't had her womb hacked out, warning everyone that the children had been taken. Clever, if gruesome.

Terez
01-17-2013, 08:36 AM
I will add Slayer later; just woke up and don't feel like looking up his page number.

SauceyBlueConfetti
01-17-2013, 08:40 AM
I, skimmer that I am, read that as "Alanna, gave more head than expected."

Well that wouldn't have been on my "made me sad" list. ;):p:cool:

Davian93
01-17-2013, 08:43 AM
Does Morgase die?

On pg 785
"Mellar kicked at Birgitte’s corpse as a man rode up with a body draped
across the back of his saddle. The man wore an Andoran uniform, and the
facedown corpse dangled golden hair. Whoever the poor woman was, she
wore a dress exactly like Elayne’s.
Oh no. . ."

I also vaguely remember reading something about a HotH that looked like Elayne, but I couldn't find it so maybe I made that up.

I thought at the time it was some look alike to convince people Elayne was dead, but he was going to kill her anyway so why would he need that?


No, Morgase was alive and well later in the book and was helping with refugees/wounded. She survived as far as we know. The dead body was just a body double that the Shadow found for Elayne. All they needed was something close to fool people an they likely disfigured it anyway so it just had to be similar in appearance, not exact.

KilMichaelMcC
01-17-2013, 09:32 AM
Morgase's cameo was before that, and it was in the same general area. I thought that red-headed dead woman was her, too, at first. But from the complete lack of reaction from Elayne or of any mention of her death after that, it can safely be assumed she wasn't.

Terez
01-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Slayer, 875. Last three to die are all connected to the TGH dark prophecy. Perrin killed the two bad guys of the prophecy, Lanfear and Slayer. Fain was only connected by association, since the prophecy was written on the wall as he stole the dagger from his killer and escaped. None of this really helps rebut the argument that RJ went off the rails after TDR.

SauceyBlueConfetti
02-05-2013, 10:43 AM
Bump. Someone was asking for the list of DEAD AS A DOORNAIL people...bumping thread so it resurfaces

SauceyBlueConfetti
02-05-2013, 12:49 PM
The friend who introduced me to WoT FINALLY finished the book.

This was one of his many reactions that made me laugh (I was given permission to post only if I refer to him as "my studly" friend):


it's f*-%^+g FANTASY
Lan took a Forsaken sword to the gut but could still stand up with his severed head in his hand

OH and Bela, the old shaggy mare outran Trollocs and was like f*-%^+g Superhorse but you HAD to kill her. F-you!