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Cortar
02-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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So Moridin is either a liar or he is just dumb. What do I mean by this? Either he is lying about wanting Oblivion or he just stupid because there are MANY ways he could achieve his goal without bothering The Dragon.

Method 1:

This works best with the new horizontal gateways, but you could technically make it work without them. Step 1, build a 100 m by 100 m room, make sure it is airtight. Use a weave or something to remove all of the air, creating a perfect vacuum. Step 2, open a gateway at the top of the room and put the other end at the bottom, both horizontal. Step 3, find a pretty big rock and drop it in. Let it build up speed for a few years, then remove the portals. It should have build up enough momentum to destroy the Earth. BOOM, no more humans, no more rebirths.

Method 2:

Spend several years opening and holding gateways from the bottom of the ocean out to space. Eventually water levels will change and tragic climate change will destroy mankind.

Method 2a:

If that doesn't work for whatever reason. Do the same thing, but this time to the core of the earth, or its atmosphere.

Method 3:
Open a gateway to the moon and just start shooting balefire at the Earth. Nobody will know how to get to you and hopefully you can destroy enough of the pattern to free the DO before anyone figures it out.

Method 4:

Open a gateway from the surface of the Earth to the surface of the Sun.

Method 5:

Cryogenics. Find some way to freeze his body so he never technically dies, then put it on the moon or something so he can never be reborn.

Method 6:

Use a weave and find some antimatter floating in the middle of space. Open a gateway to the center of the sun and shove it through. Boom, supernova.

Method 7:

Invent a weave to kill mosquitoes en masse. Show it to the 3rd Agers. Start a movement in the Aes Sedai to get rid of these annoyances. Hopefully they won't realize the consequences and destroy the ecosystem as everything that feeds off of them starves.

Method 8:

Related to Method 1 but simpler. Just find a comet and make a gateway between it and Earth, BOOM.

Method 9:

Enter TAR and have someone with a very strong will turn him into one of those bacteria things that never die then ship him off to space. No deaths = no respawn.


And I just spent ten minutes thinking of all of these. Moridin had a lot more time.

Ivhon
02-08-2013, 01:50 PM
suicide by balefire.

Dom
02-08-2013, 02:11 PM
Ah but.. what stops the Wheel from picking another plane/planet/dimension and restart the whole cycle anew?

According to Rand's Revelation the only way to end the cycle is if he decides to let the DO end it.

The implication is that Creation would withstand pretty much anything. It could come close to unravelling, but the Wheel would bring it back and restart again.

Earth is but a small part of a greater whole.

mogi67
02-08-2013, 04:37 PM
suicide by balefire.

he'd still be spun out by the wheel again

The Unreasoner
02-08-2013, 06:13 PM
he'd still be spun out by the wheel again
But there must be some way to at least permanently remove himself, and odds are that he is aware of it. We have conflicting information on death in T'A'R (though one of those was Lanfear (who was given the Perrin seal of approval so, f*** all)).

The fact that he is holding out for total annihilation speaks to some real (though possibly misguided) altruism.

Cor Shan
02-08-2013, 10:32 PM
Unreasoner, I lol every time I see your sig.

GonzoTheGreat
02-09-2013, 03:28 AM
suicide by balefire.
As has been pointed out, that does not bring final oblivion. Now, if he'd been able to enter TAR and do it there ...

Weird Harold
02-09-2013, 04:17 AM
But there must be some way to at least permanently remove himself, and odds are that he is aware of it. We have conflicting information on death in T'A'R (though one of those was Lanfear (who was given the Perrin seal of approval so, f*** all)).

The fact that he is holding out for total annihilation speaks to some real (though possibly misguided) altruism.
I'm reasonable certain that personal oblivion is possible. But Moridin wanted oblivion for everyone and everything, and I doubt that is possible for anyone inside the Pattern -- such as Moridin.

Cortar
02-09-2013, 05:38 PM
Ah but.. what stops the Wheel from picking another plane/planet/dimension and restart the whole cycle anew?

According to Rand's Revelation the only way to end the cycle is if he decides to let the DO end it.

The implication is that Creation would withstand pretty much anything. It could come close to unravelling, but the Wheel would bring it back and restart again.

Earth is but a small part of a greater whole.

Yes but if the world is destroyed a few months before the LB then there will be no one to stop the DO from breaking free!