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Seeker
01-22-2014, 01:05 PM
Hey, guys. So, we were discussing bad Star Trek in Gen WOT and I thought we'd continue it here.

Yup. That's the one. The worst episode of TNG
The one where Wesley steps on the grass/breaks something and is about to be executed is pretty atrocious too. Its amazing the show wasn't canceled after the first season considering how many unwatchable episodes there really are there.

The 2nd season isn't much better really.

Most of the Wesley focused episodes were terrible, the Troi episodes were pretty bad too for that matter.

Also, Sub Rosa is far worse than Code of Honor if for no other reason that it was much later in the show's run and they should have known better than to make that episode. It was a really bad romance novel turned into a TNG episode.

Other really bad episodes:

Masks (Data turns into an evil Aztec god along with the rest of the ship...so brutal)
Genesis (they all start devolving...just brutal)
The Naked Now (2nd ever episode...its only saved by the hilarous Data line "I am fully functional, programed in multiple techniques" right before he plows Tasha Yar
The Royale They're trapped in a crappy casino and Data has to win to get them free.


Also, its not TNG but the Voyager episode Threshold is by far the worst episode of Star Trek ever made and one of the worst episodes of television ever made. That's the one where Parris breaks the Warp 10 barrier and then he and Janeway turn into salamanders and have sex. Its the reason I stopped watching Voyager and gave up on the show period. Nothing ST will ever coming close to matching that level of suck

Yes, all of those episodes suck pretty hard. It's especially funny (and by 'funny,' I mean disturbing) that the planet of all black people (Code of Honour) is portrayed as savage while the planet of all white people (Justice: the one where Wesley falls through the glass) is portrayed as enlightened.

As for Threshold, I tend to agree with SFDebris in saying that it is the SECOND worst piece of Star Trek ever. The worst, of course, goes to Enterprise's A Night in Sickbay.

You should check out the SFDebris reviews. They're insightful and hilarious.

A Night in Sickbay
http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/e130.php

The Worst of the Worst
http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/zworst.php

Davian93
01-22-2014, 01:08 PM
Dont forget Take Me Out To The Holodeck...the rare later season episode of DS9 that was absolutely terrible on every level. Its up there with any Vic Fontaine centered episode of DS9 actually.

Take Me Out was the worst episode of DS9 period IMHO...though it doesnt even approach Threshold.

Terez
01-22-2014, 01:43 PM
Can we talk about the best episodes instead? I'm not quite Trekkie enough to know the names of the episodes or even remember much about them, but my two favorite TNG episodes were 1) the one where everyone on the Enterprise gets intoxicated and Yar hooks up with Data, and 2) the time loop one with the poker game.

Incidentally I prefer the original cast but can't stand the original show. Loved the movies. Haven't seen the last few.

Hugh the Hand
01-22-2014, 04:02 PM
I liked Masks.

Take me out was necessary to break up all the seriousness of the series at the time. You got to remember that not everyone likes a war. That being said I did not like the episode, and I like baseball.

The Warp 10 episode of Voyager was bad, and made little sense.

The whole first season of TNG was pretty bad, except for Q. I mean they had men wearing skirts in episodes!

I never got into Enterprise, frankly I did not even try very hard.

Seeker
01-22-2014, 04:05 PM
Dont forget Take Me Out To The Holodeck...the rare later season episode of DS9 that was absolutely terrible on every level. Its up there with any Vic Fontaine centered episode of DS9 actually.

Take Me Out was the worst episode of DS9 period IMHO...though it doesnt even approach Threshold.

I think that's a little unfair to His Way and It's Only a Paper Moon, which were mostly about Odo and Nog. Both were great episodes if you ask me, especially Paper Moon. The way it showed the tragedy of War. Both were Vic eps but they were great.

Take me out to the Holosuite made me laugh.

In all honesty - even though I liked her a lot - I felt the weakest part of Season 7 was Ezri. Not because there was anything wrong with her but she just didn't get enough time to distinguish herself from Jadzia.

Oh, Terez. The one with the drunk Enterprise crew is called the Naked Now. It's a lousy episode but works on the "So bad it's good" level. The one with the time loop is Cause and Effect. I agree that it was a lot of fun. I was really impressed with the way repeated the same scenes four times without it feeling repetitive.

Seeker
01-22-2014, 04:06 PM
Take Me Out was the worst episode of DS9 period IMHO...though it doesnt even approach Threshold.

I think you're forgetting Profit and Lace. Trust me, that one is far, FAR worse.

Nazbaque
01-22-2014, 05:00 PM
I've always been more of a warsie than a trekkie, but not really all that fanatical about either. I was just a kid (and I mean just a kid as in age 6-9) when I watched TNG. My crazy preteen fan power was all about Turtles and during my teens I was introduced to Babylon 5. Later on I checked out a few episodes of the original Star Trek and sampled the Star Wars extended universe, but by then I was used to much higher standards in plot developement and general story telling. Even so I still revisit both Treks and Wars when the mood takes me.

So far my opinion is that SW books are a load of crap with the occasional piece of silver. The original Star Trek has its good points (like Leonard Nimoy and Leonard Nimoy then there is Leonard Nimoy and of course Leonard Nimoy) but for me it hasn't got a speck(pun!!) of nostalgic value. TNG does have some nostalgic value for me and while there is very little Leonard Nimoy, there is Patrick Stewart (Picard for the unenlightened), Brent Spiner (Data) and even some John de Lancie (Q). Also the character of Riker is far less annoying than that of Kirk. Granted there is Wesley, but that I think is a flaw deeply rooted in the writing and should not be blamed on Wheaton. I might actually go so far as to say that if it had been someone else the character would be far more hated than it is and to support this claim I point my finger at Hayden Christensen and the far worse younger version: Jake Lloyd.

Seeker
01-22-2014, 05:17 PM
I totally agree about Babylon 5.

Best space opera series ever. Yes, even with the cheesy visual effects. The deep, complex characters, the brilliant dialogue, the fun space battles, the ongoing plot arcs and friggen "Mista Moooorden!" I really enjoyed it when Vir looked up into his lifeless eyes and waved just like this. *Wiggles fingers.*

Babylon 5 has never been equaled in terms of story telling, not by BSG, not by Star Gate, not by Firefly, not by other space opera to date.

Davian93
01-22-2014, 06:13 PM
I think that's a little unfair to His Way and It's Only a Paper Moon, which were mostly about Odo and Nog. Both were great episodes if you ask me, especially Paper Moon. The way it showed the tragedy of War. Both were Vic eps but they were great.

Take me out to the Holosuite made me laugh.

In all honesty - even though I liked her a lot - I felt the weakest part of Season 7 was Ezri. Not because there was anything wrong with her but she just didn't get enough time to distinguish herself from Jadzia.

Oh, Terez. The one with the drunk Enterprise crew is called the Naked Now. It's a lousy episode but works on the "So bad it's good" level. The one with the time loop is Cause and Effect. I agree that it was a lot of fun. I was really impressed with the way repeated the same scenes four times without it feeling repetitive.

Only A Paper Moon was a solid episode thanks to Nog

Ezri was fun and all but they should have just left Dax as dead and not on the show. Jadzia was far superior as an actress and as eye candy.

Cause and Effect is one of the Top 10 if not Top 5 TNG episodes IMHO.

I think you're forgetting Profit and Lace. Trust me, that one is far, FAR worse.

Oh God...I had blocked that one out. Okay, that's the worst DS9 episode with Take Me Out...as second.

Davian93
01-22-2014, 06:21 PM
So far my opinion is that SW books are a load of crap with the occasional piece of silver.

THIS...one million times THIS. The Zahn books are all fairly solid even if some of it is silly (the extra vowel in the clone names, force blocking furrie worms, etc) but they are far, far superior to alot of the dreck that was put out back in the day:

The Truce At Bakura - reads like really bad fan fiction...I mean, really really bad fan fiction.

The Courtship of Princess Leia - same as above...but with rancors and witches. Its a bad romance novel.

Nazbaque
01-22-2014, 06:40 PM
I totally agree about Babylon 5.

Best space opera series ever. Yes, even with the cheesy visual effects. The deep, complex characters, the brilliant dialogue, the fun space battles, the ongoing plot arcs and friggen "Mista Moooorden!" I really enjoyed it when Vir looked up into his lifeless eyes and waved just like this. *Wiggles fingers.*

Babylon 5 has never been equaled in terms of story telling, not by BSG, not by Star Gate, not by Firefly, not by other space opera to date.

Don't forget mister Bester of the Psi Corps.

Season 5, Episode 13 "The Corps Is Mother, the Corps Is Father" perhaps captured the character's creepiness best. Walter Koenig did the role magnificently.

I've got all seasons on DVD :D:D

Nazbaque
01-22-2014, 07:07 PM
THIS...one million times THIS. The Zahn books are all fairly solid even if some of it is silly (the extra vowel in the clone names, force blocking furrie worms, etc) but they are far, far superior to alot of the dreck that was put out back in the day:

The Truce At Bakura - reads like really bad fan fiction...I mean, really really bad fan fiction.

The Courtship of Princess Leia - same as above...but with rancors and witches. Its a bad romance novel.

Zahn is a Jedi Grand Master among a horde of padawans. Even if you don't like the plots or the silly bits or just don't ship Luke x Mara, the stories are well written.

The Truce At Bakura and The Courtship of Princess Leia are great examples of the crap, but they pale in comparison to what comes later in the verse. Really, really bad writers competing over who can make the Solo kids most sickeningly sweet and everyone of them failing badly. Then hey the readers are sick of it! (Finally caught on huh?) Let's kill one of them and turn another to the Dark Side and let's be really passive sexist about it and have neither of them be the girl!

Seeker
01-22-2014, 08:05 PM
[I]Ezri was fun and all but they should have just left Dax as dead and not on the show. Jadzia was far superior as an actress and as eye candy.

Now, this may be a bit of Canadian pride (the actress who played her is from Toronto and used to host Canadian kids shows when she was in her early twenties) but I would take Ezri any day in terms of sheer eye-candy. So hot.

Tworiverswoman knows that whenever I start watching DS9, I end up saying "Ezri cute.... CUUUU-UUUTE!"

Frenzy
01-23-2014, 01:51 AM
i'll just leave this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xO9Vr_nBE8) here...

Tomp
01-23-2014, 02:48 AM
On the Star Trek thing.

I agree what you said about the first season of next gen, but don't forget about the last season.

During the last season on TNG the production company was also doing the following.
They were on season 2 or 3 on DS9.
They were starting Voyager.
They were in pre-production on the first next gen movie (Generations).
This was too much stuff.
It resulted in a decent DS9 season, a kind of bad first Voyager season, an ok movie and a rubbish TNG last season.


On the SW books thing. I've read quite a bunch of them.

There were a lot of bad books after the first Thrawn trilogy but there are some good examples.

The good ones are
The x-wing series. - This would be a great tv-series.
The Legacy of the force series. - This is the one where one of the kids go Sith.
Although it's been a while since I read SW books I recently read "Scoundrels" when a friend suggested it. - Think Oceans eleven with Han, Lando and a bunch of other scoundrels. It was not a masterpiece, but it was quite good.

Sarevok
01-23-2014, 02:53 AM
Seeker beat me to it! :)

But I also agree with Dav that Jadzia was the better character and actress. I grew up with watching the occasional Voyager, so I used to love the series, but when I watched them again later, I agree they're nowhere near TNG or DS9.
The original series just feel all fake to me, probably because by the time I saw them, I'd gotten used to 2000's graphics. :)

On Enterprise I'm going along with what seems to be the general internet consensus that the first seasons were not very good, but by the last one, they finally figured it out... but it was too little too late and they got cancelled anyway. :(

Mort
01-23-2014, 03:49 AM
I'm afraid to rewatch Babylon 5 because of the really crappy graphics :(

Saw the first season of TNG again a few months ago. Some very bad eps there. Afraid to see any more.

Terez
01-23-2014, 05:02 AM
Oh, Terez. The one with the drunk Enterprise crew is called the Naked Now. It's a lousy episode but works on the "So bad it's good" level.
Exactly. It was hilarious. I don't remember much of early TNG; I think that's the only one I remember.

GonzoTheGreat
01-23-2014, 05:44 AM
I'm afraid to rewatch Babylon 5 because of the really crappy graphics :(

Saw the first season of TNG again a few months ago. Some very bad eps there. Afraid to see any more.
Yeah, it is a real problem. They don't make them as they used to make them anymore. Once upon a time, they were amazing, innovative and novel, now they're rather dated. I wonder who decided to make that change. Should we blame George Lucas for this?

Davian93
01-23-2014, 07:53 AM
Exactly. It was hilarious. I don't remember much of early TNG; I think that's the only one I remember.

Its bad for a couple reasons....first, it was the 2nd ever episode of the show so none of the characters had been established yet. It only really works as a rerun because you know all the characters involved by then. Also, its a ripoff of a ST TOS episode.

It is, however, so bad that its funny so there's that.

Nazbaque
01-23-2014, 08:00 AM
The good ones are
The x-wing series. - This would be a great tv-series.
The Legacy of the force series. - This is the one where one of the kids go Sith.
Although it's been a while since I read SW books I recently read "Scoundrels" when a friend suggested it. - Think Oceans eleven with Han, Lando and a bunch of other scoundrels. It was not a masterpiece, but it was quite good.

The x-wing books have decent stories for the most part and some of them are actually pretty well written. They aren't Zahn level, but there is clear respect for his method. Definitely agree it would be a great TV series.

The Legacy of the Force. I do not like the story. Period. Not because the plot flows badly which in places it does but it's still above average for SW books. Not because it's badly written which again is true for some parts but the whole is above SW average. I just do not like the story.

The story trumps everything for me. A good story badly written is better than a bad story well written.

Example: Bounty Hunter Wars. What Boba Fett did after surviving Sarlac. In parts the writing is downright formulaic especially in dialogue. The plot flows well for the most part but includes some really melodramatic cliches. But the story is good and about one of the coolest characters in the verse. Also there is my favourite bit of dialogue in all non-Zahn books of the SWEU. "You should know how hard one of our species is to kill and whatever doesn't kill us makes us that much more pissed off"

Sarevok
01-23-2014, 08:53 AM
I'm afraid to rewatch Babylon 5 because of the really crappy graphics :(

This is why it took me years to finally get around to watching it. It wasn't too bad once I got into the story.

ShadowbaneX
01-23-2014, 12:19 PM
Now, this may be a bit of Canadian pride (the actress who played her is from Toronto and used to host Canadian kids shows when she was in her early twenties) but I would take Ezri any day in terms of sheer eye-candy. So hot.

Tworiverswoman knows that whenever I start watching DS9, I end up saying "Ezri cute.... CUUUU-UUUTE!"
I will thoroughly agree with this. Ezri all the way.

Also, the lack of "In the Pale Moonlight" in this conversation is very disturbing.

Davian93
01-23-2014, 01:38 PM
I will thoroughly agree with this. Ezri all the way.

Also, the lack of "In the Pale Moonlight" in this conversation is very disturbing.

I thought we were talking exclusively on bad Trek, not "greatest episode of Trek ever done in any of the series" Trek....


Also, Jadzia is way hotter than Ezri was Ezri does have that cute pixie thing going for her.

Seeker
01-23-2014, 01:44 PM
I thought we were talking exclusively on bad Trek, not "greatest episode of Trek ever done in any of the series" Trek.

I totally agree. Pale Moonlight is the best episode of any Trek series. It's why my friend John chose Garak as his screen name. Because it Garak's speech at the end. "All it cost was the life of one senator one criminal and the self respect of one Starfleet Captain."

Seeker
01-23-2014, 01:48 PM
Dav, go read my OP thread on AMOL. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

ShadowbaneX
01-23-2014, 01:48 PM
Well, it started that way, but then switched around to the better stuff fairly quickly.

Seeker
01-23-2014, 03:26 PM
What are you referring to, SBX?

Davian93
01-23-2014, 08:52 PM
http://io9.com/the-most-impressive-costumes-from-star-trek-tngs-firs-1507531721

A link to some awesome TNG costumes...some are horrific, some are a bit more, um, risque than others.

ShadowbaneX
01-23-2014, 10:58 PM
What are you referring to, SBX?

I thought the thread started off talking about Bad Trek, but quickly migrated to talking about the good stuff.

Terez
01-23-2014, 11:02 PM
Its bad for a couple reasons....first, it was the 2nd ever episode of the show so none of the characters had been established yet.
I did not know that.

Also, its a ripoff of a ST TOS episode.
That, I vaguely knew. Probably because my dad told me when we watched it, but it's possible I saw that one and don't remember it really. As I said I can't stand the original show most of the time.

Worst TNG plotline I remember was the Worf-Troi hookup which was not quite badly-enough-done to be funny. I think that could have been done well; I just distinctly remember that it was not.

Davian93
01-24-2014, 08:55 AM
http://i.imgur.com/SDjiv.jpg

Nazbaque
01-24-2014, 10:40 AM
I thought the thread started off talking about Bad Trek, but quickly migrated to talking about the good stuff.

Oh if it's bad trek you want, we should talk about the sex trek porn parodies. Cast made up of pretty much the ugliest male pornstars and the least talented female pornstars they could find. They are so bad they loop back to funny then loop again into horrifying and again into hilarious. And the guy playing Kirk is better at it than Shatner.

Davian93
01-24-2014, 11:22 AM
That, I vaguely knew. Probably because my dad told me when we watched it, but it's possible I saw that one and don't remember it really. As I said I can't stand the original show most of the time.

Its the gem that gave us this:

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110330174544/memoryalpha/en/images/5/53/Sulu_Fencing.jpg

Tomp
01-24-2014, 09:01 PM
My three favourite Trek characters are
nr1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVV-8f1kOvE)
nr 2 & 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD-UK_zn3k)

Davian93
01-25-2014, 03:24 PM
My three favourite Trek characters are
nr1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVV-8f1kOvE)
nr 2 & 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD-UK_zn3k)

Garak is hands-down the greatest character in the history of Star Trek and I would include Khan on that list as a close #2. The greatest strength DS9 had was its amazing recurring characters and its those recurring characters that were built up over 7 years that made it such a special show in the end.

Seeker
01-26-2014, 07:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl66ilQCCNs

One of my favourite Garak moments. My favourite DS9 character is Odo. I can so relate.

Matoyak
01-31-2014, 03:05 AM
Talking about Trek, I'll just drop this off here:

LARP Trek (http://larptrek.com/)
Premise: Holodeck gets broken, people need entertainment. They set up a Pen-And-Paper RPG where they role-play as characters from DS9. It's hilarious even if you aren't much of a Trekkie (in spite of Seeker doing his damndest to convince me to watch DS9, I've only ever seen maybe 3/4ths of a season of tNG and a few episodes of tOS, much less anything from DS9/Enterprise/Voyager/whathaveyou. Oh, and I've seen the space whale star trek movie about 22 times or so due to that being the default movie my grandma would put on when I'd visit her as a kid. I remember none of it).

On the subject of good Star Wars expanded universe stuff:
Novel-wise, anything by Timothy Zahn is obviously pretty good. I also liked about 75% of the New Jedi Order series. Just about everything else is almost universally bad, though some of the young adult stuff wasn't too bad for when I was in Jr High (back just as Harry Potter was reigniting the/starting a new YA boom).
Games-wise, lots of options from the 90s, early 00's in the PC space. More modern, the original Force Unleashed wasn't too bad.

Tomp
01-31-2014, 04:48 AM
Why aren't there any x-wing computer games any longer.

I always thought they were among the best games.

GonzoTheGreat
01-31-2014, 04:57 AM
The support for XP (and, presumably X-Wings too) is discontinued. You should probably have switched to VistaWings when those were still available. Now you'll have to do with Wing8, which I can't recommend.

Davian93
01-31-2014, 07:25 AM
Why aren't there any x-wing computer games any longer.

I always thought they were among the best games.

Because those games were simply too awesome I guess. So dumb that they never made them again...or made a PS3/PS4/XBox version of them that a bunch of us idiots would immediately buy just for the nostalgia.

ShadowbaneX
01-31-2014, 09:14 AM
Why aren't there any x-wing computer games any longer.

I always thought they were among the best games.

'Cause (http://www.sticktwiddlers.com/2013/12/18/could-star-wars-attack-squadrons-be-the-new-x-wing-vs-tie-fighter/).

Nazbaque
01-31-2014, 11:50 AM
My X-Wing Alliance still works on my Win 7 and I occasionally replay it from start to finish. Or up to the Deathstar run anyway because that is one tough mission. I have only beaten it once and most of the time I don't even make it to the reactor.

Nazbaque
02-01-2014, 02:18 AM
Babylon 5 has never been equaled in terms of story telling, not by BSG, not by Star Gate, not by Firefly, not by other space opera to date.

Found something that might:

Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato_2199)

Watched the first 10 episodes (out of 26) and it's pretty damn good so far. The artwork is superb and the Japanese cast has some real talent in it.

Tomp
02-01-2014, 06:02 PM
Found something that might:

Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato_2199)

Watched the first 10 episodes (out of 26) and it's pretty damn good so far. The artwork is superb and the Japanese cast has some real talent in it.

Apparently there may be a live action movie based on this coming soon.
May contain minor spoilers.
Check it out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY0JqU2QyaI)

ShadowbaneX
02-02-2014, 12:37 AM
So no one's interested in a remake of X-Wing vs TIE Fighter?

Nazbaque
02-02-2014, 09:03 AM
Finished it... It was beautiful... I feel complete...
*Naz sinks into fan bliss*

Matoyak
02-02-2014, 05:21 PM
So no one's interested in a remake of X-Wing vs TIE Fighter?If you're talking about the link you have a few posts back ("cause") I was interested. Until I read the article on it. They hit too many of my "beware beware" triggers for me to spend any effort on caring about it. The open positions at that studio are worrisome. Executive and Senior producers; Server, Platform, and Tools engineers. Found some info about the people behind Area52 Games via LinkedIn, and it seems most of their experience is in MMOs and Children's Games (the MMO part would translate nicely to working on a 16x16 F2P game, I suspect), but that studio has been around since 2012 (it was rebranded in 2013), and still doesn't have some key people. Dunno. The F2P aspect turned me off to begin with, and the other stuff just makes me worried about the quality of the game. Would like to be proven wrong, but... we'll see.

ShadowbaneX
02-02-2014, 05:33 PM
it's better than nothing?

Matoyak
02-02-2014, 06:27 PM
it's better than nothing?Not if it gets people's hopes up, then dashes them. For comparison, see Aliens: Colonial Marines.

ShadowbaneX
02-02-2014, 06:51 PM
it takes a lot of work to be that bad. Mostly it's: get hopes up, crowd sourcing a lot of money, then vapour ware.

Matoyak
02-03-2014, 05:46 PM
it takes a lot of work to be that bad. Mostly it's: get hopes up, crowd sourcing a lot of money, then vapour ware.The default for games is bad. It takes a LOT of work to make them mediocre. Even more to make them good. Gearbox didn't give A:CM the time or money needed to pull it out, and Timegate was... well, they weren't a very good developer, especially not when hamstrung by lack of money. Point being, no, it takes very little work to make a game that bad. They start that way, and have to be shaped into something good.

Very few games that have done crowd-sourcing have gone vapor ware. And a Disney-produced thing doing crowd-sourcing? People would go ballistic. Won't happen.

ShadowbaneX
02-03-2014, 06:08 PM
Never said that this game was being crowd sourced, just that a lot of good ideas are crowd sourced, but not well executed.

Matoyak
02-03-2014, 06:22 PM
Never said that this game was being crowd sourced, just that a lot of good ideas are crowd sourced, but not well executed.I don't see how that's what you were saying, but I definitely agree there. Crowd sourcing ideas is a tricky business. You run the risk of dealing with groupthink, having way too many disparate ideas to get a cohesive whole, and a general feel of design-by-committee, and in addition a committee that has no experience in design or programming. However, some great ideas can come out of a community - just look at the mod scene for Minecraft, Skyrim, Oblivion. Hell, over half of the good changes done to Skyrim were taken from mods for Oblivion outright (Bethesda GS admitted as much on their podcast), and Minecraft's mod scene is the inspiration for the vast majority of changes to Minecraft since beta 1.6.4. Tight rope to walk.

ShadowbaneX
02-03-2014, 07:49 PM
You were talking about the utter failure that was the Aliens game and getting hopes up and I sorta disagreed with the general cycle of games these days. Hence, I was referring to new games in general, not to this new Star Wars game specifically.

Crowd sourcing is a strange beast. There are a lot of good ideas out there, but the people have no idea how to develop those ideas. This one is pretty simple, remake X-Wing vs TIE Fighter and it's funded by Disney, so that'll probably help. Additionally they'll hopefully be able to hire some professional producers who'll see that the game actually makes it through the development cycle and not just fall to pieces.

Davian93
02-03-2014, 08:39 PM
You were talking about the utter failure that was the Aliens game and getting hopes up and I sorta disagreed with the general cycle of games these days. Hence, I was referring to new games in general, not to this new Star Wars game specifically.

Crowd sourcing is a strange beast. There are a lot of good ideas out there, but the people have no idea how to develop those ideas. This one is pretty simple, remake X-Wing vs TIE Fighter and it's funded by Disney, so that'll probably help. Additionally they'll hopefully be able to hire some professional producers who'll see that the game actually makes it through the development cycle and not just fall to pieces.

They could remake it with exactly the same missions as before and just update the graphics and I'd be happy.

ShadowbaneX
02-03-2014, 09:00 PM
So would most people. Game developers have to have the next World of Warcraft though, so there's multiplayer.

Davian93
02-03-2014, 09:03 PM
So would most people. Game developers have to have the next World of Warcraft though, so there's multiplayer.

Well, they could tack on a multi-player dogfighting mode...that'd be fun too.

ShadowbaneX
02-04-2014, 01:31 AM
so far it sounds like it's more MechWarrior Online with 8 vs 8, but hopefully they'll up that in the future. A recreation of the single player campaign would be awesome, but you want to know where the real money would be? Co-op campaign mode.