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Uno
03-21-2014, 12:24 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26669967

... not even a little bit.

Nazbaque
03-21-2014, 12:52 AM
So now that he has gone to Hell, do you think his eternal punishment is gang rape by male demons?

rand
03-21-2014, 02:34 AM
I wonder if he'll have a funeral...

GonzoTheGreat
03-21-2014, 05:07 AM
He used to be just an obnoxious Christian. Now he is a dead Christian.

Is there already a successor to his title of American-Christian Clown?

Terez
03-21-2014, 06:50 AM
I imagine so. He had most of his children and grandchildren brainwashed. A few of them have broken free, but most of them remain dedicated to Westboro, and while it would be interesting if his death changed things, I don't expect it.

Tomp
03-21-2014, 06:44 PM
I guess this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRLwKIF-gk) must have been his favourite type of comedy.


Maybe not

I guess Zombie and Lupus recognices the accents at 3.00-3.30.

Uno
03-21-2014, 07:26 PM
You know, the problem with not believing in life after death is that you can't have the hope that religious fanatics will come to see how they've wasted their lives chasing after illusions. I suppose you can hope that they'll have a tiny moment in the process of dying when they'll see that there is no more beyond, but I kind of doubt it.

Terez
03-22-2014, 07:46 AM
From the comments on my local news station's Facebook post on the subject, it would seem there are a lot of Christians who hate this guy. Every other comment was cathartic on the point of his eternity in flames.

GonzoTheGreat
03-22-2014, 08:17 AM
Christians don't seem to like Christianity much. Surprising that, isn't it? Well, it is surprising if you're not familiar with human nature, at least, or are good enough at pretending you aren't.

SauceyBlueConfetti
03-23-2014, 12:44 PM
Over generalization and inaccurate. Christians for the most part agree this man was abhorrent and used his religious beliefs to advance his own skewed and twisted personal hatred.

Singling out his use of Christianity as if that defines everyone who is Christian is like equating all Germans to Hitler because of how he propagated his beliefs through National pride

It is insulting, but not shocking coming from Gonzo

Wishing this man eternal torment is understandable. Keep in mind though my God determines final judgements. Not me. Forgiveness is the ultimate judgement. Most folks can't do that, which is also fine.

Wishing an eternity of "demon rape" on the man only would validate in his own mind --and of those supporting him--the worst possible image of gay "issues" he had. That is insulting and hypocritical towards the support of the gay community. A worse eternity could be envisioned as an enlightenment as to his own evils, hurtful behavior and basic ....horror show...of a life, and then spend forever filled with sorrow, remorse and facing each moment with the unending knowledge he caused multitudes of families pain.

I do not hate Christianity. Just wanted to clear that up.

Nazbaque
03-23-2014, 01:21 PM
Insulting and hypocritical? Well it would be if my intention were to support the gay community as you put it, but I don't support it nor am I against it. I am not for or against any particular group of people. To me everyone is a person.

Fred Phelps was a hateful bastard which gives me an excuse to be really sadistic in my wishing. Yes an excuse, I have a sadistic side that simply loves to see suffering. It coexists with my kind and gentle side that likes to see enjoyment. And then there is my compassionate side that doesn't like to see suffering. I'm a complex person.

Forgiveness has to be earned. Did Phelps ever even try to earn it? I don't know, but if he didn't, then let him suffer.

GonzoTheGreat
03-24-2014, 04:49 AM
Singling out his use of Christianity as if that defines everyone who is Christian is like equating all Germans to Hitler because of how he propagated his beliefs through National pride
I think that it is possible to be a German without being a follower of Hitler. However, I do not think that it makes sense to be a National Socialist while distancing yourself from Hitler. So blaming a Nazi for "supporting the ideas of Hitler" would make sense to me.
The problem with Phelps for Christians is that Phelps did base his philosophy very firmly on the Bible, so if a Christian wants to distance herself from Phelps, then she has to distance herself from what Christianity is supposed to be about according to the work in which that is supposed to be written: the Bible. Of course, Christians have always been cherry picking in the Bible (Phelps did that too), so if a Christian claims to be more authoritative than God Himself, than that Christian can simply pick parts of the Bible which Phelps ignored to support being different. But if you (even implicitly) overrule God, are you then still a Christian?

Davian93
03-24-2014, 08:42 AM
You do all get that it was all just a scam, right? The entire family is and was made up of lawyers. The entire point of the "protests" was to provoke a response and then sue said responders for damages. Hell, they likely didn't even buy in to the stuff they were supposedly protesting. Its all done to make them money. That's also why they "excommunicated" Phelps last year...to keep church assets from being part of any death/inheritance taxes when he died.

Terez
03-24-2014, 10:31 AM
Has anyone even bothered to sue them recently? (Or to do anything that might provoke a suit from them?)

Nazbaque
03-24-2014, 12:09 PM
You do all get that it was all just a scam, right? The entire family is and was made up of lawyers. The entire point of the "protests" was to provoke a response and then sue said responders for damages. Hell, they likely didn't even buy in to the stuff they were supposedly protesting. Its all done to make them money. That's also why they "excommunicated" Phelps last year...to keep church assets from being part of any death/inheritance taxes when he died.

Are you saying that he doesn't deserve being gang raped by male demons for the rest of eternity, because he didn't mean all that shit he spouted? Or because he was a lawyer?

Davian93
03-24-2014, 01:09 PM
Are you saying that he doesn't deserve being gang raped by male demons for the rest of eternity, because he didn't mean all that shit he spouted? Or because he was a lawyer?

Oh no, he still deserves that. I was just pointing out that they're not even really Christian at all...(not that alot of people that call themselves "christian" should be considered actual followers of Christ).

Southpaw2012
03-24-2014, 02:43 PM
Oh no, he still deserves that. I was just pointing out that they're not even really Christian at all...(not that alot of people that call themselves "christian" should be considered actual followers of Christ).


Definitely not. Baptists have done their best to separate themselves from this cult and for good reason. I don't have a set opinion on the group of hackers known as Anonymous but it made my entire day when I found out that they hacked the members of Westboro and distributed their info everywhere. It's a group of hate who attacks anyone and everyone and in no way is what they do acceptable. It doesn't matter what your opinion is on war or homosexuality, how they display it is sickening.

Davian93
03-24-2014, 09:05 PM
Definitely not. Baptists have done their best to separate themselves from this cult and for good reason. I don't have a set opinion on the group of hackers known as Anonymous but it made my entire day when I found out that they hacked the members of Westboro and distributed their info everywhere. It's a group of hate who attacks anyone and everyone and in no way is what they do acceptable. It doesn't matter what your opinion is on war or homosexuality, how they display it is sickening.

Of course, most Baptists should probably more correctly call themselves Paulists than Christians given the tilt of their typical teachings...though they tend to follow Paul and a odd smattering of the Old Testament that agrees with their specific opinions on various issues.

Uno
03-24-2014, 10:00 PM
Of course, most Baptists should probably more correctly call themselves Paulists than Christians given the tilt of their typical teachings...though they tend to follow Paul and a odd smattering of the Old Testament that agrees with their specific opinions on various issues.

Well, the Pauline Epistles--at least the ones that are considered actually to have been written by St. Paul--are the oldest known Christian texts, predating the Gospels by several decades, which means that most of what we know about the original beliefs and practices of the Christians, we know from Paul.

GonzoTheGreat
03-25-2014, 04:43 AM
They are the oldest known Christian texts, perhaps. But then, in the first couple of centuries of the existence of Christianity, the Paulists have been very active in destroying and prohibiting a lot of other, possibly older, Christian texts. Which, all in all, casts a lot of doubt on the idea that what is nowadays called Christianity had much to do with what Jesus said and preached. Only the things that got the approval of the followers of Paul (who never even saw or heard Jesus himself) was allowed to be passed on, the things they disapproved of were banned as "not being genuine".

Uno
03-25-2014, 05:26 AM
They are the oldest known Christian texts, perhaps. But then, in the first couple of centuries of the existence of Christianity, the Paulists have been very active in destroying and prohibiting a lot of other, possibly older, Christian texts. Which, all in all, casts a lot of doubt on the idea that what is nowadays called Christianity had much to do with what Jesus said and preached. Only the things that got the approval of the followers of Paul (who never even saw or heard Jesus himself) was allowed to be passed on, the things they disapproved of were banned as "not being genuine".

Yes, they are the oldest known, which is why I, in fact, wrote the oldest known. And many rather unorthodox gospels are known (at least in fragments), including some that were quite harshly condemned by the church fathers. But none of these predate Paul, which makes me think that the entire tradition of writing gospels came after his time, probably as Christians wanted to know more about Christ and therefore collected, reinterpreted, and in many cases likely invented traditions about him.

The point is, in case you missed it, that we can't really know with any degree of certainty what came before Paul, except that it can reasonably be assumed that he was instrumental in making Christianity more than a rather eccentric Jewish sect by taking the religion to the gentiles. This, of course, makes Paul--maybe more so than Christ--the effective founder of the religion as we know it today, and indeed have known it since antiquity.

GonzoTheGreat
03-25-2014, 07:53 AM
Which, in turn, means that those who put Paul in front (rather than other bits of the NT) aren't all that far off when it comes to being Christians, doesn't it?
I'm not trying that Paul was right, nor that he was wrong. I am merely trying to argue that Phelps was closer to what "being a Christian" has meant than the ones who nowadays try to preach the values of secularism without wholly abandoning the Bible.

Ivhon
03-25-2014, 02:48 PM
There is a case that James was concurrent with Christ. Even that James was Jesus' brother and that those ties were so close that the Paulists - including Peter - could not completely expunge him or his book, which has a very distinctive flavor.