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The Unreasoner
08-19-2014, 03:24 PM
I was thinking it might be fun to post our favorite (false) theories. With supporting arguments and whatnot. For me, the Taim is a lightfriend theory, the nonexistent DO theory, the Mashadar Seals and the broken HoV. Maybe one or two others. And three still unconfirmed.

What say TL?

Frenzy
08-19-2014, 10:01 PM
Moiraine will return as a ghost (c) Frenzy

Min is evil (c) Goldeneyes, Sven, & Frenzy

Mat Pawn (c) Eclispe

rand
08-20-2014, 01:33 AM
I think the only real theory I came up with completely on my own was that Demandred was posing as Janduin to rule over the red-veiled Aiel. Which I still think would have been cooler than him being some random guy in Shara we'd never heard of before.

GonzoTheGreat
08-20-2014, 03:02 AM
I had the "Demandred is an Aiel clan chief" theory, which at the moment seems shaky. But there's another book coming, so there is still a possibility that I was right.

ShadowbaneX
08-20-2014, 08:19 AM
The only one that comes to mind at the moment is the Seanchan woman helping Egwene up from slipping down the mountain in her Dream being Egeanin not Amaresu, one of the Heroes of the Horn.

Lupusdeusest
10-02-2014, 01:57 AM
My since-WH pet one nearly got fulfilled... that Elayne would be brutally almost killed, the babies torn from her in a healthy state via (a rather crude) c-section, and then murdered in front of her during her last breath. The hot iron would be involved somewhere.

So close...

GonzoTheGreat
10-02-2014, 03:57 AM
My since-WH pet one nearly got fulfilled... that Elayne would be brutally almost killed, the babies torn from her in a healthy state via (a rather crude) c-section, and then murdered in front of her during her last breath. The hot iron would be involved somewhere.

So close...
Timing ...

Which makes me wonder, and I think someone should ask Team Jordan this: what would have happened if not Olver but Bela had blown the Horn of Valere?

Daekyras
10-10-2014, 09:40 AM
My favourite pet theory was about Lan.

I had this idea that there was a reason he was being built up as the best swordsman in the land. It hinged on the fact he seemed to have little trouble with fades.

Then the books gave us "super fade" shadar haran. I suggested that Lan would kill him at the last battle and be instrumental in the defeat of the DO's forces.

Little did i know that SH would be unceremoniously discarded. Its a shame too as the scene of Lan in the blight "he was the wind" would have been a savage set up for it too.

Instead, we have demandred show up in a rather silly way and Lan killed him. So in one way i was right but in another i still feel jipped.

I wrote that in '06 on the main page i think.

Also, Rhuarc and Berelain being DF's. Damn.

SauceyBlueConfetti
10-15-2014, 01:52 PM
Siuan was a darkfriend


I had it nailed down. I think RJ waffled on it.

SauceyBlueConfetti
10-15-2014, 01:56 PM
Moraine would:

use her voice as music in Finn-land as one of the tools of escape (her voice always described as musical)

and/or

she would return in another body but Siuan would recognize her when she channeled as they shared a bond that created an aura when channeling. (The visible aura was a weird RJism from EotW that he kind of explained away later when people questioned it)


And Mat and Elayne were supposed to end up together


And Egwene's father was a darkfriend

Daekyras
10-17-2014, 09:22 AM
Siuan was a darkfriend


I had it nailed down. I think RJ waffled on it.

Hey Saucey, did you write this theory? Where can I find it?

I toyed with this idea myself in the early 00's...

SauceyBlueConfetti
10-17-2014, 02:18 PM
Hey Saucey, did you write this theory? Where can I find it?

I toyed with this idea myself in the early 00's...

Never submitted it officially. It is in bits/pieces in various, VERY OLD, threads.


The most coalesced discussion is here: Darkfriend Recruitment (http://theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=458&highlight=Siuan) with my posts started at #26

EDITED TO ADD: a dragonburned fool had a nice little thread database, but all the links are dead from yuku, and I don't see vbulletin or ezboard links to those things. There was stuff there, I just cannot find it. : (

Weiramon
10-17-2014, 03:04 PM
Aye, countless are the number of false theories of being a Friend . . . a Darkfriend, I mean.

Invariably false, burn my soul.

Callandor
02-09-2015, 09:13 PM
Sheriam was not being beaten by Delana (and that Sheriam was not Black Ajah; boy was that one wrong).

That Verin went the Borderlanders in order to gather the armies of the north for Rand (don't worry, I like Jordan's better).

That the One Power was infinite (Jordan nixed that one if I recall; mine made way more sense though).

Probably a bunch more I forgot.

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fionwe1987
02-12-2015, 03:52 PM
My biggest was that "reality" was but a fold of the Creator, maintained as Egwene/Ishamael would maintained a "dreamshard" (we didn't have this word then, and I still think its a ridiculous crossover word). The Dark One's effect on this reality is because he's forcing his own "thoughts" on the Creator's vision. Here's the link.

http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-6982.html

This part kind of came through. I still think what Rand and the DO did was something like this. And I think Rand's newly awakened powers are because he realized that reality was basically just TAR.

Other parts of this theory were falsified, though. I thought (still think) that the Horn of Valere basically creates a sameness between TAR and the real world (rather like how Egwene did in LoC, but on a much much grander scale), and then is able to draw out the Heroes into the real world, somewhat like Moghedien in tFoH.

I thought that's how Rand would defeat the DO. The Horn would be blown, and Perrin and Egwene would hold the fork of reality it created with the help of the Heroes, and they would use this to travel through the blight. When they reached SG, Rand would enter the Pit to face the DO, while the Heroes, Egwene and Perrin kept the power of the freed Dark One at bay, and from changing the world in his image. That obviously didn't happen, though I think it would definitely have been a cooler ending than what we got.

Ivhon
02-12-2015, 08:56 PM
Fain would be the avatar of the DO in the last battle.

Kimon
02-12-2015, 09:03 PM
My biggest was that "reality" was but a fold of the Creator, maintained as Egwene/Ishamael would maintained a "dreamshard" (we didn't have this word then, and I still think its a ridiculous crossover word). The Dark One's effect on this reality is because he's forcing his own "thoughts" on the Creator's vision. Here's the link.

http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-6982.html

This part kind of came through. I still think what Rand and the DO did was something like this. And I think Rand's newly awakened powers are because he realized that reality was basically just TAR.

Other parts of this theory were falsified, though. I thought (still think) that the Horn of Valere basically creates a sameness between TAR and the real world (rather like how Egwene did in LoC, but on a much much grander scale), and then is able to draw out the Heroes into the real world, somewhat like Moghedien in tFoH.

I thought that's how Rand would defeat the DO. The Horn would be blown, and Perrin and Egwene would hold the fork of reality it created with the help of the Heroes, and they would use this to travel through the blight. When they reached SG, Rand would enter the Pit to face the DO, while the Heroes, Egwene and Perrin kept the power of the freed Dark One at bay, and from changing the world in his image. That obviously didn't happen, though I think it would definitely have been a cooler ending than what we got.

There was only one truly cool way to end it all:

I have won again, Lews Therin.

Although for the sake of accuracy perhaps - I have won at last, Lews Therin.

Rand al'Fain
02-13-2015, 01:09 AM
My one theory about Rand's uncle shedding blood instead of Rand on Shayoul Ghul was pretty well nixed, even though Slayer was killed at the Pit of Doom.

My one other "theory" was that Rand would be able to live a nice quiet life without having to be the most important person in the world, with the fate of humanity on his shoulders. I more or less got that, though still not all that satisfied with the body swap thing.

WinespringBrother
02-13-2015, 08:41 AM
I fell in with the Roedrandred crowd lol, though I had originally theorized that Demandred was hiding somewhere off-screen away from Aes Sedai populated lands (http://www.theoryland.com/theories.php?func=5&rec=54&theo=854) so this is a decent theory relapsed into a false one lol

Southpaw2012
02-16-2015, 05:44 PM
I fell in with the Roedrandred crowd lol, though I had originally theorized that Demandred was hiding somewhere off-screen away from Aes Sedai populated lands (http://www.theoryland.com/theories.php?func=5&rec=54&theo=854) so this is a decent theory relapsed into a false one lol

Terez had me 99% convinced.

Terez
02-16-2015, 07:06 PM
Brandon had me 99% convinced. He made some incredibly misleading statements about it, misleading to the point of being actually false. But I suppose he had justification for that, since RJ was guilty of the same.