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Southpaw2012
09-23-2014, 11:27 AM
Fantastic article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/23/targeting-the-constitution/[/url]

The political targeting of Conservatives by the IRS has been known for a long time now. This article is great on how this should not only scare Conservatives, but Liberals as well who were so up in arms about the unwarranted power of the Bush administration. Our Constitution is in trouble, primarily by the Left, and it has grave consequences if we continue to allow the government to wield this much power and influence. There are checks and balances for a reason.

Nazbaque
09-23-2014, 11:53 AM
What goes around, comes around.

Terez
09-23-2014, 04:53 PM
Fantastic articleThe political targeting of Conservatives by the IRS has been known for a long time now.
What has been known for a long time now is that the IRS "targeted" political groups of all kinds, groups which were dubiously claiming tax-exempt status, that that of all those groups "targeted", no conservative groups were actually denied that status, while liberal groups were. There's a conversation to be had about these things, but it's not going to be had with someone who comes to the table believing things which are demonstrably untrue.

Kimon
09-23-2014, 05:20 PM
Fantastic article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/23/targeting-the-constitution/[/url]

The political targeting of Conservatives by the IRS has been known for a long time now. This article is great on how this should not only scare Conservatives, but Liberals as well who were so up in arms about the unwarranted power of the Bush administration. Our Constitution is in trouble, primarily by the Left, and it has grave consequences if we continue to allow the government to wield this much power and influence. There are checks and balances for a reason.

Southpaw, your ire is directed at the wrong source. Part of their job is to investigate tax evasion and fraud. What they did was clumsy, but to call those organizations that were investigated legitimate non-profits aimed at civic betterment and social improvement is laughable. The problem is the Citizens United ruling, not the IRS.

Davian93
09-23-2014, 09:58 PM
What has been known for a long time now is that the IRS "targeted" political groups of all kinds, groups which were dubiously claiming tax-exempt status, that that of all those groups "targeted", no conservative groups were actually denied that status, while liberal groups were. There's a conversation to be had about these things, but it's not going to be had with someone who comes to the table believing things which are demonstrably untrue.

But that's not what Breitbart and Drudge told him...so it must not be true.

Regardless of even GOP members of Congress admitting that the IRS merely did name searches of groups with conservative and liberal keywords in them and targeted them for review due to a personnel shortage (one that GOP cuts to their budget and a massive influx in new groups thanks to Citizens United gave them) has nothing to do with it.

Maybe Issa can start another meaningless, wasteful investigation to get to the bottom of this.

Southpaw, at what point will you actually start researching these idiotic rightwing talking points you end up posting? You seemingly want to be an attorney...background research is kind of a big part of that job.

Maybe try it?

The Unreasoner
09-23-2014, 10:19 PM
Southpaw, at what point will you actually start researching these idiotic rightwing talking points you end up posting? You seemingly want to be an attorney...background research is kind of a big part of that job.

Maybe try it?

Can non citizens practice here?


The IRS was too lenient by half to these conservative groups. They sprouted like weeds all over the place, too fast to be properly vetted. And so they had tax exempt status to spread bs about Obama's birth certificate and 'death panels'. Even with conservatives actively sabotaging Obamacare (like GOP governors failing to build their own exchanges and rejecting the medicaid expansion), most Americans think it's working fine. Most won't want repeal even if the GOP takes the Senate.

Davian93
09-23-2014, 10:28 PM
Can non citizens practice here?


The IRS was too lenient by half to these conservative groups. They sprouted like weeds all over the place, too fast to be properly vetted. And so they had tax exempt status to spread bs about Obama's birth certificate and 'death panels'. Even with conservatives actively sabotaging Obamacare (like GOP governors failing to build their own exchanges and rejecting the medicaid expansion), most Americans think it's working fine. Most won't want repeal even if the GOP takes the Senate.

And yet, they will actively vote against Obama and for the same Senators who will immediately vote to end Obamacare the moment they take the Senate...not that it'd matter as the Dems would simply filibuster any such vote and even if the GOP did away with the filibuster (something I could see happening the moment they take the Senate this fall), Obama will simply veto it. Given that there is zero chance of them gathering the votes to override a veto, its a moot point.

Woohoo for 2 more years of guaranteed gridlock.

The Unreasoner
09-24-2014, 10:08 PM
The thing is, this article (written by a member of the freaking Cato Institute), makes it seem like a horrible thing that these groups were put under scrutiny because they just wanted to educate people about the Constitution. But the fact is that they just use the Constitution as a political tool, and their 'students' have no better understanding of the Constitution than anyone else, perhaps worse. They can repeat talking points and love little Constitutional zingers, but they are completely incapable of thinking for themselves, and could not even reproduce their force-fed lines if they had to use different words. No one believes the Tea Party's assertion that they are not necessarily Republican and are simply alligned with them because they strictly follow the Constitution and the Republicans do too. Forget the fact that they love to ignore inconvenient amendments (like ones protecting gays, Muslims, and minorities), their insistence that Obama is destroying the Constitution is ridiculous. Obama is not exercising any powers Bush did not, but these guys sat on their asses for eight years, and will again if the GOP ever retakes the White House.

And when they are confronted by real facts, or are asked for evidence, they run and hide.

Come on, Southpaw! Can't you stand behind one of your ridiculous arguments? Show Gonzo where the Constitution says English is the official language of the US. Show me what happened in Ferguson. Show us all why we are in the wrong and the Tea Party is the last great hope of America.

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suttree
09-25-2014, 09:26 PM
Can you imagine what the echo chamber must sound like in Southpaw's head? "IRS, ACA, BENGHAZI™, Obbbaaammmmaaa is a Kenyan!!!!!!"

Find this quote fitting:

AP
Listening to that callers little tirade, you want to think, "this guy is just a minority of the Republican party. He's inconsequential." Until you realize that he is pretty much a standard bearer among the GOP now. These beliefs, almost all of which have no basis in reality and have been thoroughly debunked, are absolute truths to a subsection of our country. They do not deal in facts because they just create their own "facts."

Davian93
09-25-2014, 09:35 PM
Can you imagine what the echo chamber must sound like in Southpaw's head? "IRS, ACA, BENGHAZI™, Obbbaaammmmaaa is a Kenyan!!!!!!"

Find this quote fitting:

AP

McCain & Co did a very very stupid thing by embracing the crazy in their desperate attempt to win in 2008. They opened a very scary door and legitimized an previously somewhat ignored subset of the population.

Terez
09-25-2014, 09:55 PM
In McCain's defense, he actually spoke out against it to an extent when he had that lady at a town hall going on about how Obama was a Muslim terrorist or whatever.

Davian93
09-25-2014, 10:00 PM
In McCain's defense, he actually spoke out against it to an extent when he had that lady at a town hall going on about how Obama was a Muslim terrorist or whatever.

Yeah, Pandora realized her mistake after the fact too...it didn't make the initial decision any less damning.

Kimon
09-25-2014, 10:32 PM
Yeah, Pandora realized her mistake after the fact too...it didn't make the initial decision any less damning.

In defense of Pandora, she knew what she was doing, and did her job well. I'd say compare McCain to Epimetheus instead, but that would be an insult both to Pandora and to the gods that made her and sent her on her sabotage/revenge mission.

McCain's going to go to the grave knowing that had he just ignored his advisers and picked Joe Lieberman as his running mate he'd probably have been president, or at worst wouldn't have been left always wondering if he only lost because so many voters were scared to death of him having a stroke and Sarah Palin becoming president. Still doesn't change the fact that Epimetheus was beguiled by a beautiful evil genius while McCain was beguiled by trailer trash.

Ivhon
09-26-2014, 01:03 AM
Whel. Trailer trash. Whel. Thats taking it just a little too far dont ya think? I mean. Really. Plenty of classy people get in brawls all the time. Plenty.

GonzoTheGreat
09-26-2014, 04:20 AM
McCain & Co did a very very stupid thing by embracing the crazy in their desperate attempt to win in 2008. They opened a very scary door and legitimized an previously somewhat ignored subset of the population.
To further defend McCain, that subset of the population wasn't sufficiently ignored (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community) even before the 2008 election.

Davian93
09-26-2014, 08:22 AM
McCain's going to go to the grave knowing that had he just ignored his advisers and picked Joe Lieberman as his running mate he'd probably have been president

You know...I've always thought that it wouldn't have mattered but with the sh!t hitting the fan in Sept with the financial crisis, the "unity" gov't option offered by a McCain/Lieberman ticket might have been just enough for him to edge out Obama's popularity. It would have been a damned close election regardless...not the bloodbath it turned into because of Palin.