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Res_Ipsa
01-13-2015, 08:17 PM
http://www.wired.com/2015/01/best-of-best-of-books/

Whenever I make money, I usually spend a good amount of it on books that look interesting or have been recommended to me. I do not think I will ever finish every book that I buy.

Isabel
01-14-2015, 04:05 AM
So do you read a lot of non sci fi / fantasy?

Res_Ipsa
01-14-2015, 01:39 PM
So do you read a lot of non sci fi / fantasy?

I do, I primarily read history and political science. I just finished Atkinson's Liberation Trilogy. I started it ages ago, but finally finished it. In terms of political science, I recently finished retired Kentucky Supreme Court Justice Wintersheimer's book about the cases he authored on the Kentucky Supreme Court.

Isabel
01-14-2015, 04:53 PM
Ah:) sounds good.
Altough weirdly enough i dont read many history books or political science books. Dont know why.

Sarevok
01-16-2015, 11:38 AM
Altough weirdly enough i dont read many history books or political science books. Dont know why.

Because there's too much fantasy to get through first to bother with anything else? :D

Res_Ipsa
01-16-2015, 08:46 PM
I could use some more fantasy reading, the problem is that RJ and GRRM and JR Rowling have ruined me.

Any good recommendations for a worthy series?

Isabel
01-17-2015, 12:14 AM
There are so many good series, although it really depends on what you like:D

So what do you want to read:)

Weird Harold
01-17-2015, 09:04 AM
I could use some more fantasy reading, the problem is that RJ and GRRM and JR Rowling have ruined me.

Any good recommendations for a worthy series?
I just started a re-read of the Green Rider series by Kristen Britain. It's not terrible deep or complicated, but it is well written.

Isabel
01-17-2015, 11:30 AM
Hmm, i would advise other series to read ;)

- Vlad Taltos series by Steven Brust. He is an amazing writer. Every book in the series has a slightly different style, should be read in non chronological order and are short fun to read books.

- the multiple series books written by Robin Hobb. These are more dramatic and harder to read, but i think it's well written and + there are many huge books.

- Engineer trilogy by K.J. Parker

- C.S. Friedman

Res_Ipsa
01-17-2015, 12:35 PM
There are so many good series, although it really depends on what you like:D

So what do you want to read:)

I like high fantasy, but I guess I should explain what I mean by that by explaining what I do not like.

I like sweeping epics with interesting characters and a central good/evil theme. I admit, I like BS, but I find his need to find evil as something less than evil a bad thing.

I like an inordinate amount of detail. What others did not like in RJ or Tolkien, I enjoy or at least it does not bother me.

I do not like an overly simplified plot resolution, either deus ex machina or too easy. For example, I enjoyed Raymond Feist's Riftwar saga, but quickly lost interest after book three because they all seemed to have the sitcom ending where everyone ends up laughing after 30mins.

I do not like rehashing stories, like Shanara. I read the first few and they all seemed like a rehash after the first.

Based on that, any recommendations?

Hmm, i would advise other series to read ;)

- Vlad Taltos series by Steven Brust. He is an amazing writer. Every book in the series has a slightly different style, should be read in non chronological order and are short fun to read books.

- the multiple series books written by Robin Hobb. These are more dramatic and harder to read, but i think it's well written and + there are many huge books.

- Engineer trilogy by K.J. Parker

- C.S. Friedman

Adding them to my list, ty.

I just started a re-read of the Green Rider series by Kristen Britain. It's not terrible deep or complicated, but it is well written.

Ok, got it, ty. Simple can be enjoyable. Perhaps even a strength when you consider the downfall of many series is their ambitions were lofty and the quality could not be maintained for long.

yks 6nnetu hing
01-19-2015, 03:08 AM
I'd second the recommendation of Robin Hobb, she is amazing! I think you'd like the level of detail and balance of good and evil.

Based on your wish for evil to be evil, I think you wouldn't like Eriksson. However, that makes me think of another military Fantasy series, which I think you'd like, "The Thousand Names" by Django Wexler. It's a sort of historical fantasy, reminiscent of the Napoleonic campaigns, but then with a big looming evil. It's a page-turner with lots of interesting details.

Speaking of Napoleonic military books, there's a chance you might like Bernard Cornwell's stuff, particularly the Sharpe books, though the Beginning of Britain stories are fun too. they aren't Fantasy, but rather extremely meticulously researched Historical military fiction. The best battle (strategic) descriptions ever. Perhaps worth noting is that Bernard Cornwell was consulted for the WoT Last Battle ;) On the down side though, the plots of the books can get a little repetitive, but then that's a bit... unavoidable because he picks big battles/military campaigns from history and then structures his books around that.

Res_Ipsa
01-19-2015, 04:00 PM
I'd second the recommendation of Robin Hobb, she is amazing! I think you'd like the level of detail and balance of good and evil.

Based on your wish for evil to be evil, I think you wouldn't like Eriksson. However, that makes me think of another military Fantasy series, which I think you'd like, "The Thousand Names" by Django Wexler. It's a sort of historical fantasy, reminiscent of the Napoleonic campaigns, but then with a big looming evil. It's a page-turner with lots of interesting details.

Speaking of Napoleonic military books, there's a chance you might like Bernard Cornwell's stuff, particularly the Sharpe books, though the Beginning of Britain stories are fun too. they aren't Fantasy, but rather extremely meticulously researched Historical military fiction. The best battle (strategic) descriptions ever. Perhaps worth noting is that Bernard Cornwell was consulted for the WoT Last Battle ;) On the down side though, the plots of the books can get a little repetitive, but then that's a bit... unavoidable because he picks big battles/military campaigns from history and then structures his books around that.

Ok, added. Thank you. More to look for at Half-Price Books. Tbh, I have never read any military fiction, I will look into those. I went ahead and picked up "The Thousand Names" from Amazon, can't beat a hardcover for a buck.

Davian93
01-26-2015, 07:46 PM
http://www.wired.com/2015/01/best-of-best-of-books/

Whenever I make money, I usually spend a good amount of it on books that look interesting or have been recommended to me. I do not think I will ever finish every book that I buy.

Yup...that's the joy of buying them. I probably have 30-40 books that I haven't read yet. That doesn't stop me from buying more though.

Though I need to buy at least 2-3 new large bookcases to hold them all.:(

Davian93
01-26-2015, 07:49 PM
Ok, added. Thank you. More to look for at Half-Price Books. Tbh, I have never read any military fiction, I will look into those. I went ahead and picked up "The Thousand Names" from Amazon, can't beat a hardcover for a buck.

I feel awful saying this but Harry Turtledove is a guilty pleasure of mine. The books (his alternate American history series) aren't that great but they are a fun read...especially if you love Civil War history.

If you want any suggestions on history books, I'd imagine yks, Khoram and me would be happy to help. Uno too most likely.

Uno
02-05-2015, 11:06 PM
I could use some more fantasy reading, the problem is that RJ and GRRM and JR Rowling have ruined me.

Any good recommendations for a worthy series?

I thought Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards series was rather good. Not like high literature or anything, but an amusing enough read. As these things tend to go with me, I picked up the first volume at an airport.

Uno
02-05-2015, 11:10 PM
I feel awful saying this but Harry Turtledove is a guilty pleasure of mine. The books (his alternate American history series) aren't that great but they are a fun read...especially if you love Civil War history.

If you want any suggestions on history books, I'd imagine yks, Khoram and me would be happy to help. Uno too most likely.

Meh, sometimes you read just for amusement rather than edification. I read Paul Hoffman's Left Hand of God series over the holidays. It's not going to be a classic ever, I think, but it was entertaining, and that was what I was looking for.

Davian93
02-06-2015, 06:45 PM
Meh, sometimes you read just for amusement rather than edification. I read Paul Hoffman's Left Hand of God series over the holidays. It's not going to be a classic ever, I think, but it was entertaining, and that was what I was looking for.

Definitely...I like to refer to them as "great airport books" for obvious reasons. I believe other people would probably call them "summer beach reads" and what not.

Uno
02-06-2015, 08:27 PM
Definitely...I like to refer to them as "great airport books" for obvious reasons. I believe other people would probably call them "summer beach reads" and what not.

There's an entire genre of books that is only published for sale at airports, I strongly suspect.

Davian93
02-06-2015, 09:17 PM
There's an entire genre of books that is only published for sale at airports, I strongly suspect.

James Patterson's next book (well the next book one of his ghost-writers does at least). I wonder if he even submits the story outlines that he used to at least give when doing that setup. Same with Tom Clancy towards the end or any number of other "popular" authors sadly.

Uno
02-06-2015, 09:44 PM
James Patterson's next book (well the next book one of his ghost-writers does at least). I wonder if he even submits the story outlines that he used to at least give when doing that setup. Same with Tom Clancy towards the end or any number of other "popular" authors sadly.

Yeah, Patterson comes to mind. And Thomas Clancy. Those books only exist in airports. Possibly they spontaneously generate there.

Daekyras
02-07-2015, 11:06 AM
Yeah, Patterson comes to mind. And Thomas Clancy. Those books only exist in airports. Possibly they spontaneously generate there.

Clive cussler. When its just his name on it, its a dirk pitt adventure.

Then you have clive cussler with...and there are three regular guys I think that write "with" him. And they are universally shit.

Uno
02-07-2015, 06:25 PM
Clive cussler. When its just his name on it, its a dirk pitt adventure.

Then you have clive cussler with...and there are three regular guys I think that write "with" him. And they are universally shit.

To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.

Daekyras
02-07-2015, 08:02 PM
To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.

The tv show is great if you can handle the completely gratuitous sex. Ive seen porn that is less graphic!

But I agree on the book thing. He is currently fantasies Dan Brown or E L James. I personally find him hard to read for first three books and the latter books are borderline offensively bad.

Davian93
02-07-2015, 10:01 PM
To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.

The first book was really good and you could even argue that his first 3 books were quite good (though Storm could have used an editor)...but then it went completely off the rails and he quickly revealed himself to be a one-trick pony who clearly has some serious issues with women and sexual exploitation in general.

And he's kind of an asshole too which doesn't help.

Terez
02-08-2015, 04:09 AM
To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.
Like what? I'm not saying there isn't good stuff out there, but what's "better" is going to be subjective no matter what. And ASOIAF was leading the genre in sales per book before the show was undertaken; that's part of how he managed to land the TV series, and the other part, that the series seems to represent the modern ideal of entertainment better than other series, is part of what led to the commercial success of the books in the first place.

I only wish they hadn't undertaken the show so long before the books were finished. They should have had a better idea of Martin's expected pace. The show will pass the books next year; in fact that has begun in small ways already.

Daekyras
02-08-2015, 06:33 AM
Like what? I'm not saying there isn't good stuff out there, but what's "better" is going to be subjective no matter what. And ASOIAF was leading the genre in sales per book before the show was undertaken; that's part of how he managed to land the TV series, and the other part, that the series seems to represent the modern ideal of entertainment better than other series, is part of what led to the commercial success of the books in the first place.

I only wish they hadn't undertaken the show so long before the books were finished. They should have had a better idea of Martin's expected pace. The show will pass the books next year; in fact that has begun in small ways already.

Ah T, you must admit the quality drops sharply after book 2?

Weird Harold
02-08-2015, 11:57 AM
Ah T, you must admit the quality drops sharply after book 2?

That's true of most fantasy series.

Res_Ipsa
02-08-2015, 02:04 PM
I feel awful saying this but Harry Turtledove is a guilty pleasure of mine. The books (his alternate American history series) aren't that great but they are a fun read...especially if you love Civil War history.

I do love Civil War history. Is your general aversion to fantasy history because it feels like it would be cheap and annoying to a fan of history non-fiction? I confess, that is what I thought when looking at them in a bookstore. I will check it out though.

I thought Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards series was rather good. Not like high literature or anything, but an amusing enough read. As these things tend to go with me, I picked up the first volume at an airport.

I looked it up, did you ever read Feist's riftwar saga? Does Lynch's thief remind you of Jimmy the Thief and the thief's guild in that series? Regardless, I will check it out.

To tell you the truth, though, I'm getting tired of seeing Martin's books getting the place of honour in every single bookstore I enter (at least in the fantasy/sci-fi section). They're ok, but just because he managed to land a tv series (which I have yet to see) doesn't mean they're the acme of the fantasy genre. There's plenty of stuff out there better than Song of Ice and Fire.

In your opinion, outside of WoT, what are your top fantasy series? This call goes out to anybody. I appreciate the interest in this thread.

Uno
02-08-2015, 03:00 PM
In your opinion, outside of WoT, what are your top fantasy series? This call goes out to anybody. I appreciate the interest in this thread.

Not familiar with the Riftwar Saga, but I suppose I'll have to look into it now. I appreciated that Lynch actually has a sense of humour without being farcical, which is rather rare in this genre.

Tolkien will have to come first, for reasons that don't require further explanation. Then, of course, there is Pratchett's Discworld series (before the effects of his disease became too noticeable), though it's more of a subversion of the genre, of course. I'm very fond of all of Robin Hobb's books, but especially the Liveship Traders series. Then I'd have to say Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever (I found the later chronicles to be a bit disappointing).

Since I don't generally draw a firm distinction between fantasy and sci-fi, I'll also list David Brin's Uplift series (even though it's annoyingly liberal-universalistic at times). To stick with sci-fi, Asimov's original Foundation trilogy and Herbert's Dune (but only the first book, really), as well as Haldeman's Forever War. And finally, at the moment I'm rather eagerly awaiting the next installment of the Kingkiller Chronicles by Rothfuss.

Davian93
02-08-2015, 03:41 PM
I do love Civil War history. Is your general aversion to fantasy history because it feels like it would be cheap and annoying to a fan of history non-fiction? I confess, that is what I thought when looking at them in a bookstore. I will check it out though.

FWIW, I think you'd like them. I think you'd also like The Guns of The South by Turtledove which is more of a stand-alone alternate history. It's a little bit of an apologist history but then that's more because Turtledove like a ton of other Civil War buffs subscribes to the Douglas S. Freeman version of the Civil War. I like Freeman's histories a lot too, but I will admit they are a bit pro-Southern in perspective to say the least. His "Lee's Lieutenant's: A Study in Command" is a must-read though as is his multi-volume biography of RE Lee. Much of Turtledove's characterizations are based on Freeman's books from what I recall.

I looked it up, did you ever read Feist's riftwar saga?

I remember reading them years and years ago and I wonder if they hold up now as I was a younger teenager when I read them. I recall Feist did seem to keep going back to the well with them so I don't believe I've read them all at this point. The first few seemed good though. Your classic "young boy/man learns magic but he's 'different' than the others, etc etc". A fun read when I read them though.


In your opinion, outside of WoT, what are your top fantasy series?

It doesn't get mentioned that much but I really liked CS Friedman's "The Coldfire Trilogy". I thought the magic system (The face) was really creative and well done...basically the planet was alive and it responded to emotions to create things. You could control it but there were major issues. There was also a neat sci-fi angle to it that I liked. Its only 3 books but it was a nice trilogy. It would have been cold if she had revisited it as there was potential for a sequel there.

Daekyras
02-08-2015, 03:56 PM
I remember reading them years and years ago and I wonder if they hold up now as I was a younger teenager when I read them. I recall Feist did seem to keep going back to the well with them so I don't believe I've read them all at this point. The first few seemed good though. Your classic "young boy/man learns magic but he's 'different' than the others, etc.

I think I mentioned this is in the what are you reading thread a few years ago but sometime in the last few years I went to thay part of my library thay contained childhood memories of fantasy reading. Eddings and Feist. They are enjoyable but for people writing on a jordan forum and discussing martin they have no place. They really feel "young adult-y".

Riftwar was good. Serpentwar was better. Everything after has gone downhill to the point where feist was churning out a book a year in the saga at the end. And the ending after all the yeaes id been reading them. Arghhhhh!!!

yks 6nnetu hing
02-09-2015, 02:44 AM
In your opinion, outside of WoT, what are your top fantasy series? This call goes out to anybody. I appreciate the interest in this thread.
Lol, Uno already listed (in order!) mine:

Tolkien will have to come first, for reasons that don't require further explanation. Then, of course, there is Pratchett's Discworld series (before the effects of his disease became too noticeable), though it's more of a subversion of the genre, of course. I'm very fond of all of Robin Hobb's books, but especially the Liveship Traders series.

I'm also quite a fan of the Dragonrider series by Anne McCaffrey, even though they get a little repetitive towards the end; and some are very obviously written as a protest against the developments in the 1960s and '70s. They're similar to Discworld in that after reading the first one or two, you can pretty much pick up any book set in that world, they're only loosely connected story-wise though some characters do make reccurring appearances.

Uno
02-09-2015, 04:33 PM
I've also read a number of Tom Holt's novels, but I've found him a bit uneven. Some of them I've liked a lot--I thought Flying Dutch was very clever--others, not so much. I recently picked up Mark Lawrence's Broken Empire trilogy. I really enjoyed the first one, but then came to find the constant use of flashbacks rather tiring, and I've now had Emperor of Thorns on my nightstand for several weeks and seem to be getting nowhere. It doesn't help that 1) the protagonist is so extraordinarily unsympathetic and 2) is another example of the genre's common trope of a ridiculously young but still superhumanly brilliant male main character.

Daekyras
02-10-2015, 01:34 AM
I'm also quite a fan of the Dragonrider series by Anne McCaffrey, even though they get a little repetitive towards the end; and some are very obviously written as a protest against the developments in the 1960s and '70s. They're similar to Discworld in that after reading the first one or two, you can pretty much pick up any book set in that world, they're only loosely connected story-wise though some characters do make reccurring appearances.

When I was mini-daek I grew up not far from Mrs. Mccaffrey. She was a lovely woman and put up with my nerdiness on the very few occasions I met her.

Figbiscuit
02-12-2015, 08:20 AM
When I was mini-daek I grew up not far from Mrs. Mccaffrey. She was a lovely woman and put up with my nerdiness on the very few occasions I met her.

Well that's very cool.

I don't read as much fantasy as I did when I was a kid, I'm not one for sticking to a particular genre now, I just read everything, basically.

However, I agree with most of what people have said here. Terry Pratchett is my equivalent of God, and I cannot recommend his works highly enough. They are quite fantasy to start with, but quickly develop into some of the most intelligent satire you will ever read. It's not necessary by any means to read them in order, although there are particular story arcs which you can follow and a quick google search will tell you which books belong with which and in what order.

I am also eagerly awaiting the next book in the Kingkiller Chronicles.

If we're talking sci-fi then yes the first Dune book, also Iain M Banks' Culture series is extremely readable and none of those are linked so you can dip in wherever you like. Use of Weapons is my favourite thus far. And a book which has always stuck with me and one I want to read again is Cyteen.

Figbiscuit
02-12-2015, 08:31 AM
Going back to the OP, I haven't heard of any of the ten books which made the list, but I quite fancy the last two.

Can anyone tell me, is Cloud Atlas worth reading? I see David Mitchell has made this list...I have a sample of Cloud Atlas on my kindle but it's not grabbed me enough to make me rush out and buy it...but then I've never let that put me off before. If someone tells me it's brilliant then I'll invest quite happily. I rarely come across a book I don't enjoy.