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Hugh the Hand
02-03-2015, 09:55 AM
I was rereading ToM and had a quick thought on this chapter.

I liked it, and we could get into a great debate about Tuon's POV and her well borderline evil thoughts on owning people and "leashed ones."

But I was more interested in the purpose of the POV and her decision to attack the WT again? I mean I do not recall it being mentioned again. And yes time speeds up for the LB, but what was the purpose of the POV?

Next, I would have thought the Seachean would have developed some cool ways to use gateways for battle, but we did not see that in the last battle. It could have been the fact that they sat out most of it, but it seems like a loose end.

Just bored, posting a little.

GonzoTheGreat
02-03-2015, 10:17 AM
I don't think the Seanchan would be very good at innovation. Their kind of culture strongly clamps down on that, because innovation tends to disrupt the social order. Much of their training (as well as the training in the WT, for that matter) is to teach people not to innovate.

The Unreasoner
02-03-2015, 02:08 PM
I don't think the Seanchan would be very good at innovation. Their kind of culture strongly clamps down on that, because innovation tends to disrupt the social order. Much of their training (as well as the training in the WT, for that matter) is to teach people not to innovate.

Except RJ emphasized several times that Seanchan was a true meritocracy. Small scale developments seem reasonable, when news of a better way travels up the chain of command. And they know how to ramp up the scale too, and quickly. They know how to adapt to new circumstances, and to take what works.

Regarding weaves specifically, a lack of innovation probably has more to do with the denial of the sul'dam and the dehumanizing of the damane. One is not a weaver, the other can not be an innovator.

Kimon
02-03-2015, 04:14 PM
Except RJ emphasized several times that Seanchan was a true meritocracy. Small scale developments seem reasonable, when news of a better way travels up the chain of command. And they know how to ramp up the scale too, and quickly. They know how to adapt to new circumstances, and to take what works.

Regarding weaves specifically, a lack of innovation probably has more to do with the denial of the sul'dam and the dehumanizing of the damane. One is not a weaver, the other can not be an innovator.

The inability due to the nature of their organization to form circles, at least circles larger than 2 (presumably sul'dam would add their strength to their damane, even if unknowingly), would significantly diminish the pool of damane even capable of forming the weave sufficient enough in size for it to be useful for battle. That along with the limited time available for training and for experimenting would drastically curtail any likelihood for innovative uses to have appeared in time for use in TG, not that they really helped at all anyway.

We have seen some innovative uses that the Tower likely never bothered with - the attack weaves being the most obvious (the attack on the tower showed just how useless most Aes Sedai were at fighting, since aside from the rare cases like Moiraine, most hadn't been seeking out and forcing themselves to be accustomed to fighting with the power. I'd hazard that less than 10% of sisters, even after decades as full sisters could have survived Moiraine's Test), there was another interesting one however that we know of because of Egwene - looking for ores. State-sponsored weavers would have a use for such a task, but I doubt Aes Sedai were ever learning about or doing that.

GonzoTheGreat
02-04-2015, 04:16 AM
... there was another interesting one however that we know of because of Egwene - looking for ores. State-sponsored weavers would have a use for such a task, but I doubt Aes Sedai were ever learning about or doing that.
Of course, now those AS won't have to bother trying to learn how to do this, since Asha'man would be far better at this than any similarly sized group of women. There may be the occasional woman such as Egwene who could learn how to do this well enough to be worth her pay, of course, but in general it will be a male occupation.