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isamu237
03-29-2015, 04:45 PM
So I'm already up to ACoS on my reread. Yeah, I had three big(ish) questions on TGH then blew through everything else without noticing anything major. Oh sure, I've seen some "Hmmm, that's interesting. Hmmm, I'll bet that connects over there. Hmmm, I'll make a note of that to watch the progression," but I've yet to have a big "AHA!" moment.
Am I missing something? Or are there actually fewer big mysteries and unanswered questions than I had assumed?

To that end: What is your biggest unanswered question? What do you most want the answer to? Or what do you think is the biggest "plot point" still open you think needs an answer?

Mine is easy, and also the only one I can think of off the top of my head:
VERIN!

I freely admit this is because she is, by far, my favorite secondary character; both from a fan viewpoint and as a literary critique. I mean, how assume is it that RJ created a situation wherein there were diametrically opposed theories about her. Right up until her big reveal, it was equally possible and credible she was Black or Purple. She was so intriguing, so mysteries, so interesting, that she spawned the idea of an entirely new and otherwise unsubstantiated group. (Add that to the list of disappointingly debunked theories.)
I would LOVE a Verin POV short story. So many unanswered questions. How did she end up BA? How did she walk that razor's edge of following her dark oaths while still aiding the Light; and not managing to get herself killed? But of course biggest of all: DID SHE LIVE?! She seemed to think there was a chance, but how?!

Kimon
03-29-2015, 06:29 PM
What were the three questions that Moiraine asked the Finn?

That's the only real one, though there were two unresolved issues that annoyed me:

- What ever happened to Logain's glory?

- How did Narishma "follow after"?

fionwe1987
03-30-2015, 01:51 AM
Verin did not live. She thought there would be a chance if she could get the Oath Rod, but it had been taken away by the BA-hunters. It may not have worked anyway, since it would have been an act that would facilitate betraying the Dark One. I suspect the Oaths would have tripped her up.

Hugh the Hand
03-30-2015, 10:29 AM
The Follow After thing I think was just lost in the untimely death of RJ.

But it bugs me.

Moirain's questions is a good one.

Logain's glory is the Sealbreaker and leader of the Black Tower, pretty sure he is not going by M'Hael!

A Verin short story would be cool.

GonzoTheGreat
03-30-2015, 11:50 AM
What the heck did Lanfear do for the Shadow after she was freed from being Sealed? What, especially, did she do as Cyndane for the Shadow?

SomeOneElse
03-30-2015, 01:06 PM
What the heck did Lanfear do for the Shadow after she was freed from being Sealed? What, especially, did she do as Cyndane for the Shadow?
After unseal she was rather playing for herself as Ishy pointed out (in Perrin's dream in TDR), and as Cyndane.... Well she could do something if Perrin didn't love his wife that much.
And if we think that The Do needs the Dragon to be compleetlly free then she is responsible for Rand not being killed 3 or 4 times and not being a total noob in the OP meaning also not being killed some (or some 10s) times aswell.

fionwe1987
03-30-2015, 01:34 PM
Wasn't Cyndane behind Masema?

GonzoTheGreat
03-31-2015, 04:21 AM
Wasn't Cyndane behind Masema?
I think every Forsaken was manipulating him; that would explain at least part of his insanity.

Zombie Sammael
03-31-2015, 04:32 AM
What were the three questions that Moiraine asked the Finn?

That's the only real one, though there were two unresolved issues that annoyed me:

- What ever happened to Logain's glory?

- How did Narishma "follow after"?

The prophecy states "who draws it out shall follow after", referring to Callandor. Narishma "followed after" by drawing the sword from the Stone (heh) after Rand had already touched it, thus fulfilling the prophecy.

eht slat meit
04-12-2015, 01:58 PM
What were the three questions that Moiraine asked the Finn?


I've always been curious about that as well, though I suspect that at least two if not all of them had to do with Rand.

1. What must I do to guide Rand?
2. What must I do to save Rand?
3. What can I do for Rand to help him win the last Battle?

Depending on what information she may have gotten from Min, she might have believed she could stave off her death until getting married and with that expectation in mind, would feel free to ask the questions that mattered to her most, all centering on the Dragon Reborn.

Morelikeunwisewoman
04-12-2015, 04:01 PM
I've always been curious about that as well, though I suspect that at least two if not all of them had to do with Rand.

1. What must I do to guide Rand?
2. What must I do to save Rand?
3. What can I do for Rand to help him win the last Battle?

Depending on what information she may have gotten from Min, she might have believed she could stave off her death until getting married and with that expectation in mind, would feel free to ask the questions that mattered to her most, all centering on the Dragon Reborn.

I am wondering- what exactly led to moraine being de-powered so much but not lanfear/cyndane?

And if Ishmael knew to go get lanfear shouldn't LTT have told Rand to do the same thing?

eht slat meit
04-12-2015, 04:22 PM
I am wondering- what exactly led to moraine being de-powered so much but not lanfear/cyndane?

And if Ishmael knew to go get lanfear shouldn't LTT have told Rand to do the same thing?

Actually, after reviewing ToM, not so sure about #3, but as far as those are concerned? My guesses:

1. Lanfear died, Moiraine didn't. Tack on the old soul ala the male/female thing to a new body with some DO intervention, and boom, a cobble-job of the old model.

2. Prior to him being Nae'bliss? DO told him to go recover the body, and brought it back for remodeling and mindtrapping.

Kimon
04-12-2015, 04:23 PM
I am wondering- what exactly led to moraine being de-powered so much but not lanfear/cyndane?

And if Ishmael knew to go get lanfear shouldn't LTT have told Rand to do the same thing?

It was part of the price that each paid to the finn. They seemed to "eat" Lanfear's power too quickly, killing her, so when she was brought back as Cyndane, she was weaker than she had been as Mierin/Lanfear. They took their time more with Moiraine, so that they could feed without killing her. As for why Rand never did anything about it, he thought she was dead.

SomeOneElse
04-12-2015, 05:16 PM
And if Ishmael knew to go get lanfear shouldn't LTT have told Rand to do the same thing?

Maybe Ishy was more knowledgeable

My biggest Q is what will go on about all these things after TG, like Seanchan, Red Ajah/black tower etc etc.

Rand al'Fain
04-12-2015, 05:21 PM
Well, Rand was pretty well insane at that point, rarely thinking logically, and had taken Lan's word that Moiraine had died (who also believed she was dead). Mat had Thom and Thom's letter to tell him that she was alive.

eht slat meit
04-26-2015, 06:40 PM
Strange thought that I had regarding the sudden appearance of a mysterious and apparently hithertofore unknown "woman" at the end of AMoL.

No major theory behind this, though it certainly does have larger implications, just a point A to point B on two characters who simply exited without fanfare.

Aviendha and Graendal/Hasselam. Rand is dying, his blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, seeing one woman through blurred vision: a devoted old woman who might be carrying a crippled Aiel whose clothing he sees.

"Yes. That is good, that is what you need to do."

Graendal is showing Aviendha how to transmigrate Rand's soul into Moridin's body.

$0.02

Zombie Sammael
04-26-2015, 08:03 PM
Strange thought that I had regarding the sudden appearance of a mysterious and apparently hithertofore unknown "woman" at the end of AMoL.

No major theory behind this, though it certainly does have larger implications, just a point A to point B on two characters who simply exited without fanfare.

Aviendha and Graendal/Hasselam. Rand is dying, his blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, seeing one woman through blurred vision: a devoted old woman who might be carrying a crippled Aiel whose clothing he sees.

"Yes. That is good, that is what you need to do."

Graendal is showing Aviendha how to transmigrate Rand's soul into Moridin's body.

$0.02

It was Nakomi.

eht slat meit
04-26-2015, 08:47 PM
Who's to say that isn't what I just said?

:)

Zombie Sammael
04-26-2015, 11:14 PM
Who's to say that isn't what I just said?

:)

Um... Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson?

(possibly Harriet and Maria too, to be fair)

eht slat meit
04-26-2015, 11:23 PM
No, no, what I meant was who's to say that what you are saying isn't the exact same thing I am saying? Hmmmmmm? Hmmmmm?

Oh, and sup ZS. been awhile!

Zombie Sammael
04-28-2015, 12:39 AM
No, no, what I meant was who's to say that what you are saying isn't the exact same thing I am saying? Hmmmmmm? Hmmmmm?

Oh, and sup ZS. been awhile!

Hi. I've been lurking. :)

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with your theory, but what I meant by "It was Nakomi" was that the woman Rand saw when coming out of SG has been confirmed to be Nakomi, either directly in the books or through interview (I can't remember right now, or be bothered to check). So not sure what you mean by the woman being Graendal explaining to Avi how to do a transmigrate.

Apart from that, why would Graendal know how to do it? She has been the recipient of a transmigration, yes, but being given a vaccine doesn't make you a doctor (or autistic, in case anyone wanted to start that :p ).

eht slat meit
04-28-2015, 11:34 AM
Hi. I've been lurking. :)

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with your theory, but what I meant by "It was Nakomi" was that the woman Rand saw when coming out of SG has been confirmed to be Nakomi, either directly in the books or through interview (I can't remember right now, or be bothered to check).

Unless I missed something by book, it was indirectly by interview and suggestive more than anything else.

So not sure what you mean by the woman being Graendal explaining to Avi how to do a transmigrate.

I was implying that Aviendha (not Graendal) could very well be Nakomi. Self-realization visions are older than dirt.

Apart from that, why would Graendal know how to do it? She has been the recipient of a transmigration, yes, but being given a vaccine doesn't make you a doctor (or autistic, in case anyone wanted to start that :p ).

I'm looking at it in terms of "someone has to do it, and it's not the Dark One himself." After spending some time reading over the transmigration research (and no, I'm no lorekeeper, so I might easily have missed something), his role seems to have been insinuated to be that of the one responsible for the actual transmigration, but the only confirmed aspect of his participation is his capture of the soul. Given that his participation is *required* if the Forsaken in question is dead, it gives him a lot of power over them.

That's what I meant about the larger implications of this theory, which also ties into Rand's comments about puppets.

What it means is that several ingredients are required for a transmigration of a soul in a living body:
1 Channeler
1 Transmigration weave
1 Brain-dead receptacle
1 soul in a living body

Transmigration of a soul in a dead body:
1 Dark One to capture marked soul
1 Forsaken
1 Transmigration weave
1 Brain-dead receptacle
1 Dead Forsaken in a dead body
1 Proximity to Shayol Ghul

Explaining certain unexplained hows and where about why Asmodean couldn't be transmigrated even if DO wanted to. No mindwiped body to transfer to, no proximity to DO to capture the soul.

SomeOneElse
04-28-2015, 12:14 PM
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with your theory, but what I meant by "It was Nakomi" was that the woman Rand saw when coming out of SG has been confirmed to be Nakomi

And who's to say Nakomi is not Graendal, though it won't make very much sense at all.

Rand al'Fain
04-28-2015, 09:38 PM
And who's to say Nakomi is not Graendal, though it won't make very much sense at all.

Except Graendal had accidentally zapped her own mind and became Aviendha's bootlicker.

Anaiya Sedai
04-30-2015, 07:34 AM
I still want to know about the 9 rods of dominion.

Rand al'Fain
04-30-2015, 11:07 AM
I still want to know about the 9 rods of dominion.

Are you into S&M?

eht slat meit
04-30-2015, 11:07 AM
I still want to know about the 9 rods of dominion.

Lews Therin's experimental college phase, of which the less said, the better.

eht slat meit
04-30-2015, 11:14 AM
I still want to know about the 9 rods of dominion.

On a more serious note, it was a title of office. From the WOG himself:

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Source:Blog_-_THIS_AND_THAT,_19_December_2005

fdsaf3
04-30-2015, 12:47 PM
You would have to do some major convincing to get me to believe that a channeler is able to manipulate souls sufficiently to do what you're suggesting.

Yes, there's the 13x13 trick, but as far as I know that doesn't affect the soul of a person, but rather forcibly changes their personality.

Unless I'm overlooking something, I can't think of anyone ever doing anything like that. It seems to me that the Shadow would have found it pretty useful over the years to forcibly transmigrate someone's soul into another living body without having to go through the Dark One and waiting for someone to die.

eht slat meit
04-30-2015, 06:08 PM
You would have to do some major convincing to get me to believe that a channeler is able to manipulate souls sufficiently to do what you're suggesting.

I believe it happens all the time in the Green Ajah. :) I think the real question is whether the channeler in question has the power to do it and the bond to make it happen. Of course, the Forsaken don't call it a bond, they call it a mark, while Elayne and Aviendha would call it a vein of gold.

Unless I'm overlooking something, I can't think of anyone ever doing anything like that. It seems to me that the Shadow would have found it pretty useful over the years to forcibly transmigrate someone's soul into another living body without having to go through the Dark One and waiting for someone to die.

No force involved, because the Forsaken want to be immortal and the "person" on the receiving end is a receptacle without a soul.

eht slat meit
05-03-2015, 04:15 PM
Re-read thoughts.

Recently went through teotw again and can't help thinking how heavily it foreshadows huge amounts of amol. There was one line that just keeps kicking out again and again and I can't help but free associate it with that pipe scene.

"Become one with the void, Tam said, and you could do anything" ~ Rand, reflecting on Tam's odd instruction in teotw

""The Oneness," she said, sounding satisfied. She saw his questioning look and added, "That is what it is called . . . in some places. The Oneness. To learn the full use of it, it is best to wrap it around you continuously, to dwell in it at all times, or so I've heard." ~ Lanfear as Selene, clarifying Rand's learned technique in tgh

"He found nothing in the void. No saidin, nothing"
~ Rand attempting to light the pipe with a power he no longer has...

.... but he still has the void, wrapped around himself constantly, and because he has achieved One'ness aka the void after his journey throughout the books.

Void/One'ness obviously carries a hell of a lot of personalized overtones beyond simply lighting pipes.