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Sodas
08-24-2015, 01:47 AM
It seems pretty obvious that they are.

Consider this has been a repeated thing with these moderators leaving anti-Semitic comments on this forums.

http://4life4freedom.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-modern-thought-police.html

Also, consider the fact that they have yet to say anything to Davian on the forums in front of everyone for posting hate filled, anti-Semetic meme's on this forum.

See here:

http://theoryland.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=231656&postcount=262

So this what the Chosen think is perfectly acceptable?

[image removed]

Davian posting such vile is clearly against the Terms of service that we all sign on this forum to use EZboard. Fact is, he's in direct violation of the rules he pledge to respect while here.

Nor do the Moderators tell him what he is doing is hate filled vitriol. Marie Curie 7, for instance, is around to correct these problems. Yet, she doesn't, why? Does that mean Marie Curie 7 supports anti-Semitism? Sure looks like it.

That they would allow a picture of Hitler, and vicious anti-Semitic characters to float around on this forum in the face of someone who has had great aunts and uncles killed by, and enslaved by, that man. My great uncle still has the tatooes upon his arm which bear his cattle number. Is that really cool to be showing to a Jew? Is that really appropriate in a serious discussion, to make light of millions of dead? Is it really appropriate to spread such stereotype propaganda when there is so much active, even state sponsored, anti-Semitism in the World today?

But like I said, it's because they seem to be cool with that. Joo hatred seems in for the Chosen. It seems they are actively not protecting minorities with a history of being abused and harassed on this very forum. So, in that way, they are part of the harassment. Part of the cyber bullying if you will.

Bullying Jews? Like Matisyahu in Spain just because he's Jewish? Man, never heard that before.

Nazbaque
08-24-2015, 02:40 AM
This reminds me of a certain song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoSAY7Ye4Q). The band name is something of an irony too.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 04:14 AM
No. They are not.

Isabel
08-24-2015, 10:51 AM
Lol sorry sodas but thats going to far.

Being against the israeli government doesnt mean anti semites.

ShadowbaneX
08-24-2015, 11:09 AM
Just remember: people the disagree with you on any way are horrible monsters that really want to destroy everything you love and hold dear...even down to the things your just mildly fond of.

Figbiscuit
08-24-2015, 11:15 AM
Wow. Just wow.

GonzoTheGreat
08-24-2015, 11:47 AM
Being against the israeli government doesnt mean anti semites.
Anyone who disagrees with any Jew about anything is an anti-Semite. Thus, every Christian is anti-Semitic, since they disagree about who the Messiah was. I, obviously, am not anti-Semitic; I think the whole Messiah idea is bonkers.

Ozymandias
08-24-2015, 01:53 PM
Anyone who disagrees with any Jew about anything is an anti-Semite. Thus, every Christian is anti-Semitic, since they disagree about who the Messiah was. I, obviously, am not anti-Semitic; I think the whole Messiah idea is bonkers.

Just want to point out that Arabs are also Semitic peoples. Thus, everyone involved in the Israel debate is an anti-Semite on some level.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 01:59 PM
Yes, I hate Jews so much that I'm married to one....


:rolleyes:

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 03:08 PM
Yes, I hate Jews so much that I'm married to one....


:rolleyes:

Did you only find out after? Typical. Always keeping things hidden.

The Unreasoner
08-24-2015, 04:03 PM
Wasn't it clear from context that Dav posted that picture as a joke? Or do you, like the Islamic terrorists, object to an image's merely existing on the physical plane?

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 04:49 PM
Wasn't it clear from context that Dav posted that picture as a joke? Or do you, like the Islamic terrorists, object to an image's merely existing on the physical plane?

How dare you Unreasoner? The very notion that davian would post something in a facetious manner, a "joke" as you describe it, is abusive in the extreme.

Nazbaque
08-24-2015, 04:57 PM
People I think you are over thinking this. It's simple: Terez is our secret admin dictator and we are following her grand master plan to bring sodas down on his knees. Wasn't someone supposed to steal his underpants around now? Or are we actually going to get to phase two?

The Unreasoner
08-24-2015, 05:07 PM
How dare you Unreasoner? The very notion that davian would post something in a facetious manner, a "joke" as you describe it, is abusive in the extreme.
lol.


Honestly, I think Sodas is just looking for stuff to get pissed about. The image is sufficiently ridiculous that I think it may even have been created as a parody.

Sodas, you need a thicker skin. People trash religion on here all the time (especially Christians, and I'm Catholic). I usually just ignore it these days.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 06:32 PM
People I think you are over thinking this. It's simple: Terez is our secret admin dictator and we are following her grand master plan to bring sodas down on his knees. Wasn't someone supposed to steal his underpants around now? Or are we actually going to get to phase two?

There you go again- stealing underpants? Phase 2? Stop flaunting your Catholic schoolboy education.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 07:00 PM
lol.


Honestly, I think Sodas is just looking for stuff to get pissed about. The image is sufficiently ridiculous that I think it may even have been created as a parody.

Sodas, you need a thicker skin. People trash religion on here all the time (especially Christians, and I'm Catholic). I usually just ignore it these days.

99.9% sure that it is indeed a parody image based on the well-known and oft-ridiculed nut job conspiracies concerning the NWO and the Rothschilds, etc etc. I'm guessing a certain someone isn't a student of history (not a surprise as a STEM graduate) or they'd likely be familiar with that long history of conspiracy theories concerning that particular family and what a running joke it has always been. Guess that Liberal Arts education was worthwhile after all.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 08:05 PM
99.9% sure that it is indeed a parody image based on the well-known and oft-ridiculed nut job conspiracies concerning the NWO and the Rothschilds, etc etc. I'm guessing a certain someone isn't a student of history (not a surprise as a STEM graduate) or they'd likely be familiar with that long history of conspiracy theories concerning that particular family and what a running joke it has always been. Guess that Liberal Arts education was worthwhile after all.

wait- sodas is a stem grad? I'm assuming that means the same in the states as it does over here (science technology and mathematics)?

Unreasoner I'm assuming is as he is a mathsy guy. But sodas? Never in a million years would I have read him as stem. Wow.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 08:10 PM
Well, to be fair, his alter ego CLAIMED to be one during an argument which makes it about 5% likely to be true at best given that he was also lying about being a different poster at the time.

So who knows. My guess would be "I don't know".

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:16 PM
Lol sorry sodas but thats going to far.

Being against the israeli government doesnt mean anti semites.

I'm actually talking about how they treat me, and how they have been handling posts that are clearly anti-Semitic in origin (See Dav's post).

Israel really has nothing to do with this thread.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:20 PM
wait- sodas is a stem grad? I'm assuming that means the same in the states as it does over here (science technology and mathematics)?

Unreasoner I'm assuming is as he is a mathsy guy. But sodas? Never in a million years would I have read him as stem. Wow.

Better get used to it.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:27 PM
lol.

Honestly, I think Sodas is just looking for stuff to get pissed about. The image is sufficiently ridiculous that I think it may even have been created as a parody.

Sodas, you need a thicker skin. People trash religion on here all the time (especially Christians, and I'm Catholic). I usually just ignore it these days.

I'm glad you think it's totally cool to post pictures of Hitler to a Jew then. Nor do you seem to call out such strange behavior.

It's ok, I can see from your earlier posts in the other thread that you baselessly attacked Southpaw too.

I wouldn't put it past Southpaw to just bring in a 'ringer'...

I love screenshots.

http://theoryland.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=231637&postcount=246

How do I reconcile the fact that you partake in the cyber bullying around here, and yet claim to be a Christian? That's interesting.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 09:34 PM
Better get used to it.

Wait...what?

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:42 PM
Wait...what?

Did I stutter?

The Unreasoner
08-24-2015, 09:44 PM
I'm glad you think it's totally cool to post pictures of Hitler to a Jew then. Nor do you seem to call out such strange behavior.
Unlike you and the terrorists, I don't think images can hurt me.
I love screenshots.
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How do I reconcile the fact that you partake in the cyber bullying around here, and yet claim to be a Christian? That's interesting.

The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
there must be serious prospects of success;
the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.


Wait...what?
I didn't get it either. I guess I should have studied Disturbed Psychology instead of pure math.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:47 PM
Unlike you and the terrorists, I don't think images can hurt me.

That's not the issue here. The issue is if he broke the Terms of Agreement to use this website, which includes not posting intentionally hateful material. That's another reason why I created the alt- to read what it actually says in the Ezboard terms of usage.

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I screenshot most of the conversation so I can put it on Twitter. Some posts I already have, lol. Let the world see how ignorant some of you are.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 09:48 PM
Get off your high horse, posting parody images to make a point about something being ridiculous isn't hate speech. You'd realize that if you weren't so busy playing the martyr constantly.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 09:49 PM
Did I stutter?

Again, what?

I honestly don't understand your response to my first message.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:50 PM
Get off your high horse, posting parody images to make a point about something being ridiculous isn't hate speech. You'd realize that if you weren't so busy playing the martyr constantly.

You could have said the joke without the pictures.

It's ok, we already know you are a hateful, spiteful person. That much was clear already from the fact that you take great joy in cyber bullying Southpaw, a real person.

Yeah, you really have room to talk Dav.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:53 PM
Again, what?

I honestly don't understand your response to my first message.

Maybe you need to learn English?

I'm sorry, I can't help there.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 09:53 PM
You could have said the joke without the pictures.

It's ok, we already know you are a hateful, spiteful person. That much was clear already from the fact that you take great joy in cyber bullying Southpaw, a real person.

Yeah, you really have room to talk Dav.


Calling out a troll like Southpaw for being a troll isn't bullying...but as a troll yourself, I get that you don't understand that.

And if a picture really does offend you that much, you have some serious issues. I'm Irish...should a picture of Cromwell upset me like that? That's the basic equivalent you are trying for there. Especially if it was a parody picture referencing a ridiculous AND WELL KNOWN conspiracy theory. If a picture of Hitler (or should I say "The H-Guy" to make you feel better there too?) upsets you, you're the problem, not me.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:55 PM
Calling out a troll like Southpaw .

Stop right there. He isn't a troll, that's your problem. You don't realize that you have been calling someone stupid that is going to law school is pretty low ball. He just disagrees with you. You call everyone who disagrees with you a troll.

That's YOUR problem, not ours.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 09:55 PM
Funny that you hate ISIS so much though...given that your reaction to a picture is nearly identical.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 09:57 PM
Funny that you hate ISIS so much though...given that your reaction to a picture is nearly identical.

I'm cutting people's heads off? Or burning them in the square?

Nice way to marginalize thousands of dead people. Really classy.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 09:57 PM
Stop right there. He isn't a troll, that's your problem. You don't realize that you have been calling someone stupid that is going to law school is pretty low ball. He just disagrees with you. You call everyone who disagrees with you a troll.

That's YOUR problem, not ours.

Stopping by every so often to post a highly inflammatory and unfounded thread (or 3-4 of them on occasion) and then never responding to them is being a troll. Never responding to actual arguments with any evidence but simply pivoting to another butthurt position against the evil "Libs" is being a troll.

That you don't understand that says a lot about your own world view and your own behavior here were everyone that disagrees with you MUST be anti-semitic because you are Jewish (something I, for one, didn't know until maybe 1 day ago when you said it). But yeah...keep whining about the poor aggrieved and attacked Southpaw.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 09:58 PM
I'm cutting people's heads off? Or burning them in the square?

Nice way to marginalize thousands of dead people. Really classy.

I wouldn't put it past you if you were in a position of power instead of whining on a message board. Especially if they were daring to question your right to build a house on a certain piece of property.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 09:59 PM
Maybe you need to learn English?

I'm sorry, I can't help there.

It's something I've always had a problem with. Thanks.

If you could explain your post I would greatly appreciate it.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 10:00 PM
Stopping by every so often to post a highly inflammatory and unfounded thread (or 3-4 of them on occasion) and then never responding to them is being a troll. Never responding to actual arguments with any evidence but simply pivoting to another butthurt position against the evil "Libs" is being a troll.

That you don't understand that says a lot about your own world view and your own behavior here were everyone that disagrees with you MUST be anti-semitic because you are Jewish (something I, for one, didn't know until maybe 1 day ago when you said it). But yeah...keep whining about the poor aggrieved and attacked Southpaw.

They didn't call it the Nationalist Socialist German Worker's Party for nothing. They desensitize your brain to what your doing and you don't realize the hate you spread. That's also maybe that is why you wouldn't look into the Planned Parenthood chopping up baby parts and selling them for profit videos. It's soo third reich to you, it doesn't mean anything. It's just another day.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:01 PM
It's something I've always had a problem with. Thanks.

If you could explain your post I would greatly appreciate it.

I took his attack on your language skills as an attack on the Irish education system and the Irish in general. Not surprising given he's an Anti-Gaelite.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 10:02 PM
It's something I've always had a problem with. Thanks.

If you could explain your post I would greatly appreciate it.

It's like 5 words, how hard is it really to understand?

You (Daekyras), need to get used to me being a STEM grad. If you didn't think in a million years I would be, then you need to get used to it now.

There, was that so difficult?

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:03 PM
They didn't call it the Nationalist Socialist German Worker's Party for nothing. They desensitize your brain to what your doing and you don't realize the hate you spread. That's also maybe that is why you wouldn't look into the Planned Parenthood chopping up baby parts and selling them for profit videos. It's soo third reich to you, it doesn't mean anything. It's just another day.

Wow...you really are ignorant on history aren't you. That's one of the oldest and, by the way, DUMBEST attacks on Socialism by the Far Right ever made...especially given just how far away Fascism is from Socialism on the political spectrum. That's kinda a big part of why there was such an ideological war between the Fascists and Communists both in Europe at the time and between Germany & the USSR.

North Korea calls themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea...guess that means they're a democracy, right?

Maybe stick to STEM topics?

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:04 PM
It's like 5 words, how hard is it really to understand?

You (Daekyras), need to get used to me being a STEM grad. If you didn't think in a million years I would be, then you need to get used to it now.

There, was that so difficult?

Why do you feel the need to needlessly attack the Irish and and people of Irish descent on these boards? Seems pretty sick to me really.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 10:07 PM
Btw, my problem even isn't so much with you trolling Southpaw, Dav, it's that you and Naz both make broader statements against religious types that are just plain not true.

For instance, your little spiel on science. That was laughable coming a liberal arts major, but yet, you did it anyway. Did you actually realize that conservatives are into science too? Or were you that delusional?

I'm not sure. Don't care either.

But it's just low class behavior like that, that is unbecoming of civil discourse. There is a reason perhaps conservative WOT posters don't want to come here any more.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 10:08 PM
It's like 5 words, how hard is it really to understand?

You (Daekyras), need to get used to me being a STEM grad. If you didn't think in a million years I would be, then you need to get used to it now.

There, was that so difficult?

Oh right. So you are a STEM grad? Cool.

I didn't understand your comment because you didn't confirm it. Now I understand.

I wasn't trying to call you out or anything. I rarely do stuff like that on these boards. :)

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:12 PM
Btw, my problem even isn't so much with you trolling Southpaw, Dav, it's that you and Naz both make broader statements against religious types that are just plain not true.

For instance, you're little spiel on science. That was laughable coming a liberal arts major, but yet, you did it anyway. Did you actually realize that conservatives are into science too? Or were you that delusional?

I'm not sure. Don't care either.

But it's just low class behavior like that, that is unbecoming of civil discourse. There is a reason perhaps conservative WOT posters don't want to come here any more.

Funny since I've never had a Liberal try to tell me the world is 6000 years old or that Climate Change doesn't exist but I get that from Conservatives every day. But yeah, its those evil Libs that are anti-science.

You know what's really low-class behavior? Calling everyone who disagrees with you an anti-semite. It both cheapens the centuries of struggle the Jewish people have endured as well as your own argument. While the former is the much greater sin the latter is also just sad.

If Southpaw or you want to make a reasoned argument and back it up with facts, knock yourself out. But that's never what happens. It's always some massively inflammatory post taken straight from The Blaze or some other ridiculous site (when did Foxnews become the moderate right wing news source BTW) and then you never back it up with anything. You just pivot to some other imagined grievance when called out on it with actual facts and reality.

But yeah, Conservatives are deathly afraid to post here...that's it. Its not that we happen to simply have a fairly international group here that tends to be more moderate than the US (which is amazingly conservative across the board...not surprising given our Puritan background but that's another thread).

But yeah, if any poster just drops by to post some stupid talking point and acts like that, its not going to go over well...just like your constant "Whah, you're all anti-semites" crap doesn't go over well either.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 10:30 PM
Oh right. So you are a STEM grad? Cool.

I didn't understand your comment because you didn't confirm it. Now I understand.

I wasn't trying to call you out or anything. I rarely do stuff like that on these boards. :)

Ok, I wasn't sure if you were poeing or not. It's hard to tell sometimes, particularly when you have "son of Nazbaque" in your sig line.

That said, thanks. I've always been that "nerd" or "geek," so I don't think twice about people perceiving me that way online.

I've always been interested in Science. I grew up going to liberal schools, full honors schedule. I was the kid that suggested the Mitochondrials as our team mascot.

But as I grew up, learned more in depth about these subjects, Science actually brought me closer to G-d. What some people may, or may not know about Judaism, is of the 613 commandments, one is to study what translates roughly as study of the movement of the heavens. Basically, astrophysics. It isn't a coincidence that Jews have a significant portion of Nobels and a history of scientific accomplishments, from Johannes Keppler to Einstein.

I was also very much into the green, eco scene. My father (also a conservative) having started the first city based recycling program in the United States. So I wanted to do my part, particularly because of "Global Warming", and went back to school to get into Green Building Technology. A few months ago, I got my dream job of working for a large Solar Energy company as system designer, which gives me more flexibility and pay (salary!+) then I've ever had. So, I can finally do more than lurk. They give me a truck, laptop, iphone, suneye (tool for measuring shade), to survey and then design these systems. Whatever I need.

In any case, thank you.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 10:37 PM
Funny since I've never had a Liberal try to tell me the world is 6000 years old

The Hebrew word is Yom. Doesn't mean days, it means "period of time." The Torah never says the world is 6000 years old, that's a premise built upon a mistranslation.

Besides, don't you remember that Time is Relative? For a Cosmic observer, creating the Universe, time is ultimately relative.

I thought you knew more about Judiasm than me? lol.

I guess much like your science claim, it's just as full of shit.

or that Climate Change doesn't exist Of course it exists. The Climate is always changing, didn't they teach you that in school?

It seems you really don't know much at all about science, as if that wasn't clear already. But hey, if you want to step into my area of expertise now, be my guest.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:42 PM
The Hebrew word is Yom. Doesn't mean days, it means "period of time." The Torah never says the world is 6000 years old, that's a premise built upon a mistranslation.

Besides, don't you remember that Time is Relative? For a Cosmic observer, creating the Universe, time is ultimately relative.

I thought you knew more about Judiasm than me? lol.

I guess much like your science claim, it's just as full of shit.

Of course it exists. The Climate is always changing, didn't they teach you that in school?

It seems you really don't know much at all about science, as if that wasn't clear already. But hey, if you want to step into my area of expertise now, be my guest.

I'll just ignore the insult afterward as its not conducive to the discussion...but I will say I've made that exact comment (the part I bolded) to people before while arguing against a literal interpretation of the Bible and both my wife and I tend to take that interpretation of that portion of the scripture ourselves.

On human made climate change...I tend to think that 99% of scientists are probably onto something. It's pretty rare to get that level of consensus on something. Yes, we all know that climate is constantly changing but to pretend that the massive changes to the equation that humanity has made since the Industrial Revolution is just silly. Those same scientists have accounted for things like solar cycles and natural climate change.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:46 PM
None of that changes that the whole "Earth is 6000 years old" crowd is 100% in alignment with the Far Right in the US....as is, for the most part, the part of our populace that doesn't believe in climate change being man made. These are the people that bring snowballs into Congress to give speeches to "disprove Climate Change". They are now getting elected thanks to this stupidity.

http://crooksandliars.com/files/mediaposters/2015/02/31013.jpg?ts=1424987561

Good Ol Senator Inhofe...who coincidentally Chairs the Senate Sub-Committee on the Environment. So not exactly some fringe nut job. His party (and yours apparently) felt he was the best man for the job to chair the committee that handles environmental issues like climate change.

On a side note (not really related) but he's also an ardent Pro-Israeli politician who espouses all the same talking points as you on their land rights in the West Bank.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 10:47 PM
Ok, I wasn't sure if you were poeing or not. It's hard to tell sometimes, particularly when you have "son of Nazbaque" in your sig line.

That said, thanks. I've always been that "nerd" or "geek," so I don't think twice about people perceiving me that way online.

I've always been interested in Science. I grew up going to liberal schools, full honors schedule. I was the kid that suggested the Mitochondrials as our team mascot.

But as I grew up, learned more in depth about these subjects, Science actually brought me closer to G-d. What some people may, or may not know about Judaism, is of the 613 commandments, one is to study what translates roughly as study of the movement of the heavens. Basically, astrophysics. It isn't a coincidence that Jews have a significant portion of Nobels and a history of scientific accomplishments, from Johannes Keppler to Einstein.

I was also very much into the green, eco scene. My father (also a conservative) having started the first city based recycling program in the United States. So I wanted to do my part, particularly because of "Global Warming", and went back to school to get into Green Building Technology. A few months ago, I got my dream job of working for a large Solar Energy company as system designer, which gives me more flexibility and pay (salary!+) then I've ever had. So, I can finally do more than lurk. They give me a truck, laptop, iphone, suneye (tool for measuring shade), to survey and then design these systems. Whatever I need.

In any case, thank you.

son of Nazbaque is a reference to a thread a while back. It was actually quite funny.

I'm glad science has brought you closer to your god. I don't know if it pertains to you but the bible tells us to carry out astronomy. It actually led a lot of scientists to use radio telescopes to search for god.

The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge.

There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.

Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

(Ps 19:1-4a)


Green energy is a huge and quickly expanding area. Good luck with your new job.

Khoram
08-24-2015, 10:50 PM
Well, I guess there is one advantage to threads like this: they bring more posters back to the boards.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 10:54 PM
Green energy is a huge and quickly expanding area. Good luck with your new job.

A damned shame we, as a country, are allowing both Europe and China to kick our collective ass on green power due to a very weird coalition of vested interests in things like oil/gas industry, the far right "No Gov't" folks, the same people that are "against everything Obama is for" and then the idiotic NIMBY people (many on the Far Left sadly) that are against wind power and solar "ruining their views".

I hate stupidity and America's refusal to invest wholesale into renewables is just so disgustingly short-sighted for a myriad of reasons not even related to climate change. Great example of our stupidity...despite having like 90,000 miles of coastline (slight exaggeration obviously), we currently have this many off-shore wind turbines active: ZERO.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 11:05 PM
I thought you knew more about Judiasm than me? lol.

BTW, when did I exactly say that? I said I know far more about it than you probably realize being intimately involved (i.e. married) to a Jew and having a fairly strong religious background overall. I've even been to Temple on several occasions and did the whole "crush a glass" thing as part of my wedding despite obviously not being Jewish (by birth, blood or beliefs) myself. I know the Old Testament/Torah pretty well from years of study both organized and on my own as well as professionally as a student of history.

I, in case you were curious, was raised nominally Catholic which meant I did the bare minimum to keep my status in that faith (baptism, communion, CCD, etc...going to church occasionally for Christmas, Easter, Weddings and Funerals, I can recite the Lord's Prayer (several versions actually now including in Latin). After that childhood, I went to a fairly progressive evangelical church that was non-denominational Christian and I am not sure 100% what faith I would believe in now but I'm not an Atheist and I'm not even Agnostic. I tend to think pretty much all organized religions are BS on some level and they always lead to corruption and are used as cover by con-men to hide their own sins and profit on a disgusting level.

I can say one thing though and its that I am 100% not an anti-Semite nor do I hate any group or type of people. I think all forms of discrimination are disgusting whether it is anti-semitism or racism, etc etc. Politically, I think I've gone from being Center Right in my youth to going Center Left as an adult. If you'll recall, I was supportive of McCain in the early days of 2008 until he went far Right and then picked Palin which was the end for me. The party I knew is gone and the current far right, so-called christian theocrats running things in the GOP are disgusting and they embody all the worst aspects of using Religion for personal gain despite not practicing one bit of the religious ideals they pretend to follow. Unless the prosperity gospel is now part of the Bible that is.

Daekyras
08-24-2015, 11:10 PM
I, in case you were curious, was raised nominally Catholic which meant I did the bare minimum to keep my status in that faith (baptism, communion, CCD, etc...going to church occasionally for Christmas, Easter, Weddings and Funerals, I can recite the Lord's Prayer (several versions actually now including in Latin).

Ár n-Athair atá ar neamh,
Go naofar d'ainim,
Go dtagfadh do ríocht,
Go ndéantar do thoil ar an talamh
mar a dhéantar ar neamh.
Ár n-arán laethúil tabhair dúinn inniu,
agus maith dúinn ár bhfiacha
mar a mhaithimidne dár bhféichiúna féin
(Ach ná lig sinn i gcathú,
ach saor sinn ó olc,)

Here it is in irish for you dav.

Kimon
08-24-2015, 11:11 PM
A damned shame we, as a country, are allowing both Europe and China to kick our collective ass on green power due to a very weird coalition of vested interests in things like oil/gas industry, the far right "No Gov't" folks, the same people that are "against everything Obama is for" and then the idiotic NIMBY people (many on the Far Left sadly) that are against wind power and solar "ruining their views".

I hate stupidity and America's refusal to invest wholesale into renewables is just so disgustingly short-sighted for a myriad of reasons not even related to climate change. Great example of our stupidity...despite having like 90,000 miles of coastline (slight exaggeration obviously), we currently have this many off-shore wind turbines active: ZERO.

It's because green energy doesn't fit well into the profit model of energy corporations. Those corporations have enough money to employ lobbyists and buy copious amounts of advertisements. Those advertisements subvert the agendas of media interests who wish for their news to turn a profit. Those lobbyists buy politicians.

Which is why it is possible for states to pass laws imposing a tax on someone for having the audacity of putting solar panels on their house...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html

For the last few months, the Kochs and other big polluters have been spending heavily to fight incentives for renewable energy, which have been adopted by most states. They particularly dislike state laws that allow homeowners with solar panels to sell power they don’t need back to electric utilities. So they’ve been pushing legislatures to impose a surtax on this increasingly popular practice, hoping to make installing solar panels on houses less attractive.

Oklahoma lawmakers recently approved such a surcharge at the behest of the American Legislative Exchange Council, the conservative group that often dictates bills to Republican statehouses and receives financing from the utility industry and fossil-fuel producers, including the Kochs. As The Los Angeles Times reported recently, the Kochs and ALEC have made similar efforts in other states, though they were beaten back by solar advocates in Kansas and the surtax was reduced to $5 a month in Arizona.

But the Big Carbon advocates aren’t giving up. The same group is trying to repeal or freeze Ohio’s requirement that 12.5 percent of the state’s electric power come from renewable sources like solar and wind by 2025. Twenty-nine states have established similar standards that call for 10 percent or more in renewable power. These states can now anticipate well-financed campaigns to eliminate these targets or scale them back.

The coal producers’ motivation is clear: They see solar and wind energy as a long-term threat to their businesses.

The Unreasoner
08-24-2015, 11:14 PM
A damned shame we, as a country, are allowing both Europe and China to kick our collective ass on green power due to a very weird coalition of vested interests in things like oil/gas industry, the far right "No Gov't" folks, the same people that are "against everything Obama is for" and then the idiotic NIMBY people (many on the Far Left sadly) that are against wind power and solar "ruining their views".

I hate stupidity and America's refusal to invest wholesale into renewables is just so disgustingly short-sighted for a myriad of reasons not even related to climate change. Great example of our stupidity...despite having like 90,000 miles of coastline (slight exaggeration obviously), we currently have this many off-shore wind turbines active: ZERO.
California is doing a great job in deploying solar...several smallish, aggressive companies that install the equipment, with great financing for consumers and the ability to sell excess power back to PG&E (power company).

The Unreasoner
08-24-2015, 11:17 PM
It's because green energy doesn't fit well into the profit model of energy corporations. Those corporations have enough money to employ lobbyists and buy copious amounts of advertisements. Those advertisements subvert the agendas of media interests who wish for their news to turn a profit. Those lobbyists buy politicians.

Which is why it is possible for states to pass laws imposing a tax on someone for having the audacity of putting solar panels on their house...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html
I wonder if any of the legislators behind these things signed that 'No New Taxes or Hikes. Period.' pledge...

Davian93
08-24-2015, 11:22 PM
VT has a pretty solid solar program too when combined with the federal subsidies that have been in place. Solar has really skyrocketed in my state in the past decade both on the residential and commercial levels. The issue there is that we're not really a great solar energy location given our climate issues (we tend to be either cloudy or snow covered for half the year if not more). Wind is far better all around but the NIMBY crowd is ardently anti-wind power in VT given that our entire state economy is tourism based and VTers in general like unspoiled scenic vistas (google our Sign Laws for a reference into that mindset)....apparently a ski lift is okay but wind turbines on a mountain top are bad...who knew?

The lack of legit off-shore wind is just stupid given our natural advantages in that area...as is the lack of investment in tidal power.

Why not give green power the same subsidies we give big oil? All of the arguments against solar are pretty weak to begin with...especially wind power. It kills birds? Um, so do cats and buildings but no one is banning either. They make a buzzing noise? Um, okay...they sure do. Have you ever lived near a coal power plant? Far, far worse. Inconsistent power production? Yeah, that's kinda why off-shore would be better and its best as a complimentary source along with solar anyway (if it isn't windy, it tends to be sunny, etc). There are obstacles, sure. But not changing and not investing in our infrastructure is a disgusting disservice to our nation and future.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 11:24 PM
I wonder if any of the legislators behind these things signed that 'No New Taxes or Hikes. Period.' pledge...

I know this is shocking but I would imagine that maybe 1 or 2 of them just might be.

Of course, Governor Brownback passed a sales tax increase recently but claimed he cut taxes in doing so. Kansas, BTW, is quite the fun social experiment to watch from the outside.

Kimon
08-24-2015, 11:30 PM
VT has a pretty solid solar program too when combined with the federal subsidies that have been in place. Solar has really skyrocketed in my state in the past decade both on the residential and commercial levels. The issue there is that we're not really a great solar energy location given our climate issues. Wind is far better all around but the NIMBY crowd is ardently anti-wind power in VT given that our entire state economy is tourism based and VTers in general like unspoiled scenic vistas (google our Sign Laws for a reference into that mindset)....apparently a ski lift is okay but wind turbines on a mountain top are bad...who knew?

The lack of legit off-shore wind is just stupid given our natural advantages in that area...as is the lack of investment in tidal power.

Why not give green power the same subsidies we give big oil? All of the arguments against solar are pretty weak to begin with...especially wind power. It kills birds? Um, so do cats and buildings but no one is banning either. They make a buzzing noise? Um, okay...they sure do. Have you ever lived near a coal power plant? Far, far worse. Inconsistent power production? Yeah, that's kinda why off-shore would be better and its best as a complimentary source along with solar anyway (if it isn't windy, it tends to be sunny, etc). There are obstacles, sure. But not changing and not investing in our infrastructure is a disgusting disservice to our nation and future.

These kinds of power sources, like the Tennessee Valley Authority and the Hoover Dam, where you are harnessing a natural resource for power are the types of investments that are far more likely to come from government investment than private sources as they simply are too efficient, and hence nowhere near as abundant a profit source as coal or other dirtier sources. These are the types of investments I wished Obama would have forced through Congress in the early days of his first term during the height of the Recession. Wind Farms on the Great Lakes, along the Atlantic and Pacific, in the Mountains. Solar Farms in places like the Arizona desert. That and more traditional infrastructure revitalization. The failure to do that more than anything else is why I've been disappointed by Obama. Well that and the fact that he didn't ram Single Payer Healthcare down the Republicans throats.

Davian93
08-24-2015, 11:34 PM
These kinds of power sources, like the Tennessee Valley Authority and the Hoover Dam, where you are harnessing a natural resource for power are the types of investments that are far more likely to come from government investment than private sources as they simply are too efficient, and hence nowhere near as abundant a profit source as coal or other dirtier sources. These are the types of investments I wished Obama would have forced through Congress in the early days of his first term during the height of the Recession. Wind Farms on the Great Lakes, along the Atlantic and Pacific, in the Mountains. Solar Farms in places like the Arizona desert. That and more traditional infrastructure revitalization. The failure to do that more than anything else is why I've been disappointed by Obama. Well that and the fact that he didn't ram Single Payer Healthcare down the Republicans throats.

I agree on both points about Obama. He had a historically unique chance not seen since the early days of FDR to affect that sort of change and he wimped out (or perhaps sold out to corporate interests). Instead of a handout to corporations a 2nd New Deal would have been far more effective in both jumpstarting our economy and helping out the average American. Healthcare is and was important but the ACA was a weak assed half-measure. Better than nothing but it doesn't fix the underlying issue that healthcare for profit is an unsustainable model.

That sort of infrastructure investment would have been a massive jobs creation program that would have given us tens of thousands of STEM jobs like the one Sodas just mentioned he got and allowed us to be a global leader in both Solar and Wind power instead of doubling down on Fracking which is just destroying the environment for a very short term gain.

Sodas
08-24-2015, 11:42 PM
I'll just ignore the insult afterward as its not conducive to the discussion...but I will say I've made that exact comment (the part I bolded) to people before while arguing against a literal interpretation of the Bible and both my wife and I tend to take that interpretation of that portion of the scripture ourselves.

Well, it's hard to have a literal interpretation when you don't speak the language or know the precise words.

Here is a good reference point on the word Yom: http://www.oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm

You have to remember that Ancient Hebrew had no vowels, so there are constant mistranslations because the language is dead. No one today speaks it. We have an idea - but it's just general.

Common example:

YHVH

Some say that would sound like the word Yahweh. That's impossible for one simple reason.... the W sound isn't in Hebrew. The W sound originated in Germany during the end of the Roman Empire, due to the introduction of a new word, War.

Some say it's Jahovah. Funny how different that would sound from Yahweh? Yet, comes from the same Ancient Hebrew letters. That's also wrong.

What is the true pronunciation? We may never know. The last one who knew died with the last Cohen Gadol to worship in the Holy of Holys.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/YHVH/yhvh.html


On human made climate change...I tend to think that 99% of scientists are probably onto something. It's pretty rare to get that level of consensus on something. First, 99% of climate scientists (I know that is what you mean) is an made up number. It's a plea from authority to get you to think that climate scientists are all in agreement on these extremely complex matters. Simply not the case.

Second, the reason there are a great deal of scientists, particularly at the University level, who agree, is to gain more Federal funding.

My mathematician friend who I grew up with, pointed out to me a few years ago,

'Why fund settled science?'

It's a good question. If every scientist is in agreement, why keep asking for more, and more money to research a forgone conclusion? It begs the question.

Third.

When you actually look at independent non-Koch brothers or Soros funded research, you will see that there has actually been an 18 year "pause" in global temperatures measured by satellites.

Fourth.

As a result, you will see that the vast majority of the data given from some of these scientists has been tampered with and/or readjusted to show warming trends.


Yes, we all know that climate is constantly changing but to pretend that the massive changes to the equation that humanity has made since the Industrial Revolution is just silly. Those same scientists have accounted for things like solar cycles and natural climate change.I don't think the issue of Carbon-Dioxide is as much of an issue as Al Gore makes out.

First, we breath it out. Plants breath it in. It is adsorbed into the plant kingdom so absurdly fast that complaining about a mole fraction of a gas in the atmosphere is silly (just ask the math majors). Plants need Carbon-Dioxide to grow, in fact, the more, the bigger, and better they do.

Second, carbon levels across the global are not uniform. They do occur mostly in industrialized areas, that's true.

However, that helps increase produce and decease cost of food production for the poor and desolate.

Third, attempting to cut carbon-dioxide and methane production by eliminating coal and fracking will only increase energy costs. And with increased energy costs comes increase costs on everyone, from the poor, to manufacturing.

Fourth, these same proscriptions were used 40 years ago to scare people the other way.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftimbernard.org%2Fgw-time-magazine-ice-age-global-warming.gif&f=1

Same things they told us to do in 1977. More Government regulation. Less energy use.

They have a record of being wrong, btw. These are the same people that told us that we would be out of HydroCarbons in the Middle East by the 1980's. 30 years later....

Davian93
08-24-2015, 11:59 PM
Well, it's hard to have a literal interpretation when you don't speak the language or know the precise words.

That has never stopped them before and this is the same people that condemn Gay Marriage due to biblical reasons while getting tattoos, eating shellfish and wearing mixed fibers. Logic and consistency aren't their strong points. They tend to pick and choose their beliefs/prejudices and then find biblical passages that seemingly back them up after the fact. Much like the town clerk in OH (or maybe Indiana?) that was refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples due to the "sanctity of marriage" while being twice divorced herself.

When you actually look at independent non-Koch brothers or Soros funded research, you will see that there has actually been an 18 year "pause" in global temperatures measured by Satellites.

That's simply untrue. 2014 was the warmest year on record, 2015 is the warmest on record so far and even last month was the warmest July on record since 1880 (when record keeping began). Yes I know its now a couple years dated but this graph illustrates this point:

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4eb81e24eab8ea6e5a000021/climate-change-skeptics.jpg

I would agree that CO2 might not be as big a deal as Gore tried to say but Methane definitely is and that is also rising. Combining the two when combined when factoring in that the oceans have also been warming (and water temps always lag in that sort of thing), and its looking like we're near a tipping point right now.

Worst case of us acting is that we move away from non-renewables and have a cleaner environment which is a good thing regardless of whether or not they're right. And we lead the way in a new technological revolution...which pushes us back to the top of the pile as a global leader in technology and economically. So not a bad thing either way.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 12:33 AM
That has never stopped them before and this is the same people that condemn Gay Marriage due to biblical reasons while getting tattoos, eating shellfish and wearing mixed fibers.

Lol. Not all. My good friend invited me to his Church's Passover Sadder last year, he avoids shellfish too, no tattoos. Not sure on the fibers tho.

Logic and consistency aren't their strong points. They tend to pick and choose their beliefs/prejudices and then find biblical passages that seemingly back them up after the fact. Much like the town clerk in OH (or maybe Indiana?) that was refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples due to the "sanctity of marriage" while being twice divorced herself.That's what it means to "Take the Lords name in vein."

That said, I have a different way to solve this. I don't think the State should be involved in marriage licenses to begin with. It should give out all the rights afforded to a couple no matter the sexual orientation, but it's considered a civil union.

That's simply untrue. 2014 was the warmest year on record, 2015 is the warmest on record so far and even last month was the warmest July on record since 1880 (when record keeping began).Based upon what? Where do you get those statements from?


Yes I know its now a couple years dated but this graph illustrates this point:

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4eb81e24eab8ea6e5a000021/climate-change-skeptics.jpg

Contrary to the lies of NOAA, the US just had a very cool summer.

I'll give you an example if this works.

Here is the raw data:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2mgsg92.gif

Here is what NOAA reported:

http://i58.tinypic.com/25kh9mo.gif

NOAA clearly tampers with the data to make it look like Texas is warming.

Much of their justification is theoretically based on Time of Observation Bias (TOBS) adjustments, claiming that people during the 1930’s reset their thermometers during the afternoon, causing double counting of hot days.
That theory is easy to test out. The graph below uses only those stations which reset their thermometers at night or morning during July 1936. As you can see, it is almost identical to the top graph for all Texas stations. TOBS has almost no effect on Texas temperatures.
- Tony Heller

http://realclimatescience.com/2015/08/another-smoking-gun-of-fraud-at-noaa/

I would agree that CO2 might not be as big a deal as Gore tried to sayReally?

He said,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNEaQnmUsAQ9kKy.png

Last time I checked, it's still there. Not to mention, doing what it always does - expanding and shrinking.

http://i58.tinypic.com/xfvuyq.png

If Gore was so confident that the oceans would rise, why did he buy a home in Florida? :rolleyes:

but Methane definitely is and that is also rising. Combining the two when combined when factoring in that the oceans have also been warming (and water temps always lag in that sort of thing), and its looking like we're near a tipping point right now.So what? That's half of the oceans role - it absords heat, anyone who lives by the coast will tell you that.

You know what happens when water boils? It becomes steam. And steam becomes? Clouds. All you need is a dust particle to get it started.

And guess what clouds cause? cooling.

That's the conclusion the IPCC is missing, and that scientists from Sweden pointed out as simple, but probably purposeful, misunderstanding of the water cycle.

yks 6nnetu hing
08-25-2015, 02:48 AM
Great example of our stupidity...despite having like 90,000 miles of coastline (slight exaggeration obviously), we currently have this many off-shore wind turbines active: ZERO.

totally off topic of your... um.. let's call it discussion but...

last week both of our Offhsore High Voltage Stations were installed, they're about halfway done with installing the turbine foundations, the offshore cable is laid, just needs burying... things are moving fast. Then again, they have to, autumn (=bad weather) is coming

http://renews.biz/wp-content/assets/DJI_0768-e1440137890528.jpg

amazingly for a project of this magnitude, we are still largely on schedule.

Figbiscuit
08-25-2015, 05:59 AM
son of Nazbaque is a reference to a thread a while back. It was actually quite funny.

I'm glad science has brought you closer to your god. I don't know if it pertains to you but the bible tells us to carry out astronomy. It actually led a lot of scientists to use radio telescopes to search for god.




Green energy is a huge and quickly expanding area. Good luck with your new job.

I love you Daek. Just sayin.

Nazbaque
08-25-2015, 06:05 AM
I love you Daek. Just sayin.

I'm so proud to have been his mother in a past life.

Terez
08-25-2015, 09:42 AM
https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/global-cooling-was-a-myth.html

A few climate scientists have now scanned through the research literature of the time. For 1965 to 1979, they found seven articles that predicted cooling, 44 that predicted warming and 20 that were neutral.
The 70s were a cold decade, so the minority opinions about cooling were more likely to be published in mainstream publications.

GonzoTheGreat
08-25-2015, 10:22 AM
https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/global-cooling-was-a-myth.html


The 70s were a cold decade, so the minority opinions about cooling were more likely to be published in mainstream publications.
Even more than that: at the time, people had overlooked the influence that the added CO2 would have, but had noticed the patterns of ice ages. Without the increased greenhouse effect, we would more likely than not be on our way towards another ice age. Which might be noticeable already, or might not have a measurable impact for another thousand years. Ice ages are spectacular, but they have bad timing.

Daekyras
08-25-2015, 01:19 PM
I love you Daek. Just sayin.

Thanks fig. :)

Davian93
08-25-2015, 01:53 PM
That said, I have a different way to solve this. I don't think the State should be involved in marriage licenses to begin with. It should give out all the rights afforded to a couple no matter the sexual orientation, but it's considered a civil union.

Or just accept the fact that marriage is the word used and that its a civil designation, not a religious one. Gay marriage being legal affects only gay people that want to be married, nobody else. It doesn't force your church or Temple to perform a gay marriage, it doesn't force you to get married to someone who is gay and it doesn't affect your own marriage whatsoever. Forcing it down a separate path along the lines of separate but equal is a very nasty historical precedent regardless (I know that's not exactly what you said but that's what would happen in that scenario).

If straight people are so upset by the designation, they probably have serious issues in their own lives or they are massive hypocrites like our good friend Josh "Molests his sisters, cheats on his wife all the while decrying LGBT as wrecking marriage" Duggar.

It honestly doesn't hurt anyone at all and all it does is give a formerly discriminated group of people the same rights as the rest of us.

Davian93
08-25-2015, 02:00 PM
Contrary to the lies of NOAA, the US just had a very cool summer.

I know this is hard to understand but US weather does not supersede the world's overall weather. Just like we had a cold winter in the NE last year doesn't mean that the rest of the world also had a cold winter. Overall, it was still a ridiculously warm year and it has been a ridiculously warming period. You're trying to pull the same idiocy that Inhofe pulled with that stupid snowball speech "Its snowing in DC so HAHA, Global warming doesn't exist!!!"

2014 Warmest Year on Record (https://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/january/nasa-determines-2014-warmest-year-in-modern-record)

2015 Warmest Year on Record So Far (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/21/climate-scientists-say-2015-on-track-to-be-warmest-year-on-record)

July 2015 Hottest Month On Record (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-climate-analysis/)

10 Hottest Years On Record All Since 1998 (http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/10-warmest-years-globally)


Also, on the oceans thing...yeah, water acts as a heat sink. We all know that. But that is bad, bad news for the animals/plants living in that water like most of our seafood we need to survive as a species among other things...and that also leads to more severe weather typically but yeah.

Right now, we're basically the frog sitting in the warming pot of water saying "see, its not so bad, I feel fine. This water is kinda relaxing actually"

But at least Exxon is turning a profit (or was until the market collapsed in the last week).

connabard
08-25-2015, 03:32 PM
I'm really confused by this thread. I'm not Jewish myself but am committed to someone that is and have since become hyper-aware of anti-Semitism and I think the closest thing I've seen to an anti-Semitic remark on here (unless you count jokes? for some reason?) was someone (and I could be mis-remembering) made one comment that seemed to conflate Israel and Jewish Diaspora as a whole

But even then with the severe criticism of Israel (as there should be) it's also very clear that it's at the state of Israel, not at Jews as a whole or even Israelis as a whole so this thread seems mind-boggling to me

Though given what few posts I've seen of Sodas he seems to be near in nature to Southpaw so I guess while I'm baffled, I'm not entirely surprised.

And as Dav said, it's really sad to see this strawman trying to pin people as anti-Semitic, especially when there's such a huge amount of casual anti-Semitism in the world, i.e. simply denying that certain things ARE anti-Semitic, and this does nothing but hurt the Jewish struggle

EDIT: Also, is this person denying climate change? Is that what I'm reading? This is worse than I thought...

Nazbaque
08-25-2015, 04:03 PM
"Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind"

That's the first line of the song I linked. I'm wondering if that's what happened to Sodas. He was clearly way too angry to be angry about us when he started and now he changed his avatar which was a family moment type picture instead of the current lolcat. My guess is his woman is now finished with him and took the kids with her.

Terez
08-25-2015, 06:43 PM
Maybe he had an Ashley Madison account.

Daekyras
08-25-2015, 06:43 PM
"Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind"

That's the first line of the song I linked. I'm wondering if that's what happened to Sodas. He was clearly way too angry to be angry about us when he started and now he changed his avatar which was a family moment type picture instead of the current lolcat. My guess is his woman is now finished with him and took the kids with her.

Ah naz, that's a little too far.

It is highly unlikely that your theory is correct but on the off chance that he has had a life changing moment recently we should all be sympathetic toward him.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 07:26 PM
I'm really confused by this thread.

I'm sorry you are. It's much more personal than any one comment - it's a whole series of how the moderators here on this forum have treated me over the years.

Unlike Southpaw, I've been on Theoryland for the last 16 years, with over 6 thousands posts between the 3 different boards, and 2 accounts I used (Xoduz was my first account here, but it was eaten somehow by the original board).

I'm pissed at how these people will treat me, how they talk to me in direct messages, telling me what I'm allowed to think. How they change my account status and lie about it. How they delete my posts- while leaving up anti-Semeitic attack posts on the WoT discussion forums. This is all before your time, but it's part of a pattern of disturbing repetitiveness.

Now, instead of DM'ing me about the other account, they of course make it a public scolding.

Just saying, long list of things they will publicly do to me - but won't even lift a finger to warn the anti-Semite remarks/memes that are unwanted.

All I am asking if it's true or not directly from them. Notice this whole thread is in the form of a question.

"Are the Theoryland 'Chosen' Anti-Semites?"

I just want an answer. Yes or no. Is that really so bad?

I'm not Jewish myself but am committed to someone that is
I'm an observant Jew, and have been raise that way since birth. I've rarely in my life time screamed anti-Semitism. Heck, in 16 years I've been here, I've only said it twice. Now, and last year when the anti-Semetic posts against me were left on this forum.

After Matt, Lord of the Board, told the moderators to remove hateful posts off the Wot board, they were still allowed to remain. Then, when I pointed that out, they erased my posts and those defending me as well.

At the very least, they act incompetently.

Fair enough if that is true.

Also, is this person denying climate change? Is that what I'm reading?

No, apparently you can't read, climate change is always happening.

Geeze, what is with progressives and the inability to understand basic science?

Davian93
08-25-2015, 08:17 PM
I just want an answer. Yes or no. Is that really so bad?

No.

Moving on.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:18 PM
No.

Moving on.

Not from you silly. You're too cute.

Davian93
08-25-2015, 08:21 PM
Not from you silly. You're too cute.

I'd imagine I talk to the Mods/Chosen a bit more than you at this point...so yes, the answer to your idiotic question is an emphatic NO.

There is no massive anti-Jewish conspiracy or anti-semitism or anything even resembling that on this board and no one here has ever attacked you or anyone else here on that basis. It's a stupid, idiotic accusation that doesn't even really deserve a response.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:23 PM
I'd imagine

Imagine all you want, I want it from the source.

Davian93
08-25-2015, 08:27 PM
Imagine all you want, I want it from the source.

Good luck with that...I'd recommend an PM to Tam perhaps...or one of the other Mods. Instead of crapping all over the Non-Wot board with your stupidity on the subject.

Or, and this is crazy here as a long-term member who has Hero status, you could remember your password to the other places and ask there like we're supposed to for this sort of thing.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:27 PM
Good luck with that...I'd recommend an PM to Tam perhaps.

Listen to you, giving me advise. So sweet.

Davian93
08-25-2015, 08:28 PM
Listen to you, giving me advise. So sweet.

If you want the password to the Mods board...its just a PM away.

Also, its "advice", not "advise"...

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:29 PM
If you want the password to the Mods board...its just a PM away.

Also, its "advice", not "advise"...

Spellcheckers are a pain. Wish you could afford one too.

#middleclassproblems.

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 08:43 PM
What exactly is Sodas looking for? I don't imagine he'll take our word for it if the answer is 'no', which seems to mean that he'll keep this thread going until he hears 'yes'.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:53 PM
What exactly is Sodas looking for? I don't imagine he'll take our word for it if the answer is 'no', which seems to mean that he'll keep this thread going until he hears 'yes'.

Do you live in this land of fantasy?

I'm saying point blank that if they say no, they are not, I'll take them at their word. It really is that simple - but I guess they are just too cowardly to say either way.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:55 PM
What exactly is Sodas looking for? I don't imagine he'll take our word for it if the answer is 'no', which seems to mean that he'll keep this thread going until he hears 'yes'.

Btw, how about you talk to me instead for a chance?

That routine is getting outdated fast.

Davian93
08-25-2015, 08:55 PM
Do you live in this land of fantasy?

I'm saying point blank that if they say no, they are not, I'll take them at their word. It really is that simple - but I guess they are just too cowardly to say either way.

Or they don't care enough to waste their time. If you hadn't noticed, Tam doesn't exactly come by very often anymore nor do any of the other assigned Mods. That's why we have that board that you have access to talk to them.

But yeah...

Sodas
08-25-2015, 08:56 PM
Or they don't care enough to waste their time. If you hadn't noticed, Tam doesn't exactly come by very often anymore nor do any of the other assigned Mods. That's why we have that board that you have access to talk to them.

But yeah...

Well then, I'll just wait on his phone call.

Davian93
08-25-2015, 09:10 PM
Well then, I'll just wait on his phone call.

Good luck with that.

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 09:18 PM
Well then, I'll just wait on his phone call.
If you don't feel like waiting, I can tell you his answer:

No, but I'm sorry you got the impression that it was something else.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 09:52 PM
If you don't feel like waiting, I can tell you his answer:

I'll wait for for an actual quoted source, thank you.

I don't trust you. Nor do I even know who you are. Never heard of you before this whole boondoggle began. Never seen you post a significant WoT post. Nothing.

I'll wait on perhaps people who I trust, or are at least credible, thank you though.

Zombie Sammael
08-25-2015, 10:02 PM
I'll give you some credit where it's due, Sodas: it's becoming abundantly obvious that the mods here are incompetent. But not for the reasons you think.

I don't have access to the special lovely Hero board where everyone gets to talk to god or whatever, so I'll just say it here:

When they were appointed, the new Mods (the Chosen) had one job. That was to keep Theoryland alive and viable as a discussion forum around the Wheel of Time series. They have fundamentally failed in that task. They allowed Brandon-bashing to take over the main WOT forum within a few weeks of AMOL being released and did nothing to promote more constructive discussion of the series following its conclusion. There is actually more to discuss now that the series has finished, not less, but either through incompetence, laziness, or simple disinterest, The Chosen have allowed only hot-button issues to dominate discussion at the expense of the kind of theorising we're supposed to be here for. They have also allowed certain posters to completely dominate the discussion when even their casual asides are factually incorrect.

Further, they have allowed non-WOT to degenerate into a cesspool of meaningless political potshotting and trolling. Non-WOT has ever been a light-touch forum but the laissez-faire attitude that has every second thread started by Southpaw (with no follow-up discussion) and extended threads from people using multiple accounts is disgraceful. The current state of non-WOT is disgusting and I roll my eyes every morning when out of nothing more than sheer grim determination I force myself to look at it.

I love Theoryland and always have. I want nothing more than to see it return to its former glories. I believe it can, but under the current moderation "team" (I put that in inverted commas as I don't believe they actually work together at all) it never will.

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 10:30 PM
To be fair to the mods, they can't conjure up fantastic threads ex nihilo. If TL isn't what it once was, we all share the blame.

The interest just isn't there anymore.

Zombie Sammael
08-25-2015, 10:37 PM
To be fair to the mods, they can't conjure up fantastic threads ex nihilo. If TL isn't what it once was, we all share the blame.

The interest just isn't there anymore.

On a well-moderated forum, the mods will lead the discussion when there is a lull. Theoryland is not a well-moderated forum.

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 10:44 PM
*shrugs*

All things die in time. I would have liked a swan song though. I haven't been apart of a good WOT discussion in a while. A long while. But it's just reread threads now.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 10:49 PM
Lol. You gotta give him credit folks, he tries so hard.

Non-WOT has ever been a light-touch forum but the laissez-faire attitude that has every second thread started by Southpaw (with no follow-up discussion) and extended threads from people using multiple accounts is disgraceful.

Maybe he didn't see that the mods blocked that account within the hour.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 10:55 PM
The interest just isn't there anymore.

O' Really?

http://s16.postimg.org/qcrrg505h/FORUM1.png

Seems to me the interest is there. Maybe you're just boring without me.

Zombie Sammael
08-25-2015, 10:56 PM
Lol. You gotta give him credit folks, he tries so hard.



Maybe he didn't see that the mods blocked that account within the hour.

You are assuming that I am referring to you.

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 11:06 PM
You are assuming that I am referring to you.
You weren't?

Khoram
08-25-2015, 11:07 PM
Notice how those "currently active users" are primarily guests. No accounts to post with.

Time spent theorising has diminished, there are very few new posts on the WoT board, and yes, for the active users who have registered accounts, there has been a noticeable loss of interest.

And, for my part, I am regularly signed in on my phone. That doesn't mean that I am "currently active", though.

Sodas
08-25-2015, 11:12 PM
You are assuming that I am referring to you.

Hah, good ol' Zombie Sammael.

You're right. I did. I really didn't see another poster creating long treads every other post, so I did assume it was me.

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 11:21 PM
Notice how those "currently active users" are primarily guests. No accounts to post with.
They also tend to be looking in the archives. Which may pique their interest, of course, but given the current state of affairs...an account probably won't come out of it.

Lupusdeusest
08-25-2015, 11:25 PM
I wish Seeker would come on. He's still been theorizing quite actively, just not here.

SEEKER. THEORIZE HERE TOO. I can't respond to you as much as this whole community can,and I don't care how disenchanted you are by the idiocy you have seem here since then.

/mildly passive aggressive post I could just message to him

Simply put - there's always another secret.

Terez
08-25-2015, 11:26 PM
They are spambots. Most can't make it through account verification. And we did have another sock puppet recently. I think the mods let it go on as long as they did because it was amusing to watch this person talk to himself.

Khoram
08-25-2015, 11:29 PM
They also tend to be looking in the archives. Which may pique their interest, of course, but given the current state of affairs...an account probably won't come out of it.

Exactly. So using a screenshot showing that there are more guests on the board than registered members is an invalid argument regarding interest in the boards from the "regular posters". Now, if the numbers were reversed, that would be a different story.

Terez
08-25-2015, 11:33 PM
Not to mention the number is normal.

Zombie Sammael
08-25-2015, 11:39 PM
The number of logged in registered users is still reasonably high, though. You'd expect that means at least some of those people would like to discuss the Wheel of Time series of novels, even though they might have gotten sidetracked.

You weren't?

Who else could I be referring to?

The Unreasoner
08-25-2015, 11:47 PM
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Lupusdeusest
08-25-2015, 11:55 PM
I do wonder though if the most recent gush of ridiculousness was a Cunning Plan to get some folks posting again.

(I almost gave you another enthusiastic greeting, Fig, but then realised you've already filled your 2015 quota for enthusiastic lupine greetings. You will have to head down to the canines for more.)

Sodas
08-25-2015, 11:58 PM
The number of logged in registered users is still reasonably high, though. You'd expect that means at least some of those people would like to discuss the Wheel of Time series of novels, even though they might have gotten sidetracked.



Who else could I be referring to?

Fair enough. I didn't realize you were under alt troll attacks. Like I said, I've only recently been able to look at Theoryland more often.

I still maintain you guys missed me, as much as you hate me. ;)

Frenzy
08-26-2015, 01:51 AM
Sodas,

Since you asked so nicely, i'll answer your question. No, i am not anti-Semitic.

Apologies for the delay in answering. i was out of state attending my father's funeral.

Now can we get back to at least attempting to be civil while we insult each other?

Weird Harold
08-26-2015, 02:47 AM
Notice how those "currently active users" are primarily guests. No accounts to post with.


Registered users who aren't logged in show up as guests -- also anyone who was logged in but hasn't had any activity for ~~ fifteen minutes can show as a Guest.

The only number you can trust even slightly is "registered users" (who are logged in) and even that is up to fifteen minutes out of date unless they explicitly logout.

yks 6nnetu hing
08-26-2015, 02:54 AM
Just in case anyone missed it:
linky (http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8669)

Yes, that's right, the Lord of the Board, our Benevolent Lazy-Ass Dictator has posted. so there.

GonzoTheGreat
08-26-2015, 05:25 AM
Further, they have allowed non-WOT to degenerate into a cesspool of meaningless political potshotting and trolling. Non-WOT has ever been a light-touch forum but the laissez-faire attitude that has every second thread started by Southpaw (with no follow-up discussion) and extended threads from people using multiple accounts is disgraceful. The current state of non-WOT is disgusting and I roll my eyes every morning when out of nothing more than sheer grim determination I force myself to look at it.
Nitpick: on the non-WOT board (where this thread is located), the Chosen are just ordinary posters, with no more power than any other ordinary poster such as you yourself.

So why didn't you save the non-board yourself?
It would have been just as easy (or just as hard, take your pick) for you to do it as for any of the Chosen. And if you know anything at all about Theoryland, then you would know that getting any two posters to agree on politics is impossible, so it would have been more difficult for "the Chosen" than it was for any single poster.

Zombie Sammael
08-26-2015, 06:15 AM
Nitpick: on the non-WOT board (where this thread is located), the Chosen are just ordinary posters, with no more power than any other ordinary poster such as you yourself.

So why didn't you save the non-board yourself?
It would have been just as easy (or just as hard, take your pick) for you to do it as for any of the Chosen. And if you know anything at all about Theoryland, then you would know that getting any two posters to agree on politics is impossible, so it would have been more difficult for "the Chosen" than it was for any single poster.

I've been posting here almost as long as you have, Gonzo. I know how Theoryland works (momentary confusion about the moderation of the non-WOT board aside). So I know how impossible it is to get any two posters on side about anything.

Frankly, "saving" either the non board or the WOT board - or any of the other boards - isn't my job. I'm not the one with the title, or job, of moderator. As I said before, on other forums the mods are also the ones who lead the discussion, particularly during lulls.

You want me to post more? Fine. But you're going to get the typical Zombie Sammael wit. The typical acerbic Zombie Sammael wit, because anything less would be a disservice to my public. :P

Lupusdeusest
08-26-2015, 06:20 AM
You want me to post more? Fine. But you're going to get the typical Zombie Sammael wit. The typical acerbic Zombie Sammael wit, because anything less would be a disservice to my public. :P

Maybe a slight buzzing noise? :D Perhaps I should get the tickle-finger out...

Zombie Sammael
08-26-2015, 06:22 AM
Maybe a slight buzzing noise? :D Perhaps I should get the tickle-finger out...

To be read in the voice of a disinterested Timelord:

What? No not the tickle finger.

Lupusdeusest
08-26-2015, 06:25 AM
To be read in the voice of a disinterested Timelord:

No not the tickle finger!!! ARGH!!!

In case you guys are wondering about the Bored Timelord thing:

Here (YouTube) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvh_jB6c70)

Daekyras
08-26-2015, 09:47 AM
They have also allowed certain posters to completely dominate the discussion when even their casual asides are factually incorrect.


Sorry zombie, I'll fact check in future. I do have a tendency to try and change subjects in contentious topics.

And I also miss the wot discussions. I was always completely out of my depth but it helped me to learn so much more about WoT from genuine experts.

DahLliA
08-27-2015, 08:41 AM
Wait, what? This thread (or at least the OP) is serious? :confused:

GonzoTheGreat
08-27-2015, 09:43 AM
Everyone on the Internet is always serious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law), didn't you know that?

Khoram
08-27-2015, 09:56 AM
Right. Based on your past posts, I can clearly tell that you're always serious, Gonzo. Who, in their right mind, would pass up an opportunity to be serious, instead opting for sarcasm or hilarity? That's just absurd.










:rolleyes:

DahLliA
08-27-2015, 11:06 AM
Everyone on the Internet is always serious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law), didn't you know that?

Yeah. Exactly what I was thinking of.

Had to read well over half a page before I figured that this thread wasn't an attempt at being funny :p

Nazbaque
08-27-2015, 01:13 PM
Yeah. Exactly what I was thinking of.

Had to read well over half a page before I figured that this thread wasn't an attempt at being funny :p

For me the deduction was simple: sodas has ne sense of humor ergo he is serious.

Daekyras
08-27-2015, 02:10 PM
Yeah. Exactly what I was thinking of.

Had to read well over half a page before I figured that this thread wasn't an attempt at being funny :p

In fairness, if you wanted confirmation that it was a Failed attempt at a joke just look at the creator.

If it's me- chances are it's a failed joke.