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Kimon
06-28-2016, 02:57 PM
Still not much information yet, but it appears to have been just outside the International Terminal. Everyone seems to be somewhat hedging, but considering the target, this is clearly ISIS and not the Kurds. It does unfortunately seem another example, like Belgium, of a change in tactic in how they are attacking airports - hitting the check-in area rather than trying to make it through the security checkpoint.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36658187

Davian93
06-29-2016, 07:13 AM
Its pretty much impossible to protect soft targets...sure, you could push the security perimeter out further but that would just change the location of the next attack to just outside that perimeter instead of the current one. No matter what you do, there's going to be a fairly large and vulnerable crowd of travelers trying to use an airport or a train station, etc.

Good intel and police work is the only real option but even if we stop 99% of all potential attacks (which is probably about where we are right now actually), that 1% that gets through will still be horrific.

Isabel
06-29-2016, 08:30 AM
Yeah it's horrible as well :(
My thoughts go out to all the victims.

GonzoTheGreat
06-29-2016, 10:09 AM
Good intel and police work is the only real option ...Turkey uses the military to beat up on random Kurds and protests whenever anyone speaks about the Armenian genocide. Would that count?

Davian93
06-29-2016, 11:19 AM
Turkey uses the military to beat up on random Kurds and protests whenever anyone speaks about the Armenian genocide. Would that count?

Ironically that might actually create more attacks than stop them. Weird they haven't thought that one through...

Kimon
06-29-2016, 11:39 AM
Ironically that might actually create more attacks than stop them. Weird they haven't thought that one through...

Erdogan certainly was directly responsible for breaking the cease fire, and probably at least tangentially involved in the terrorist attack on the peace demonstrations by the Kurd students at Suruc that truly caused this maelstrom. Hopefully this attack will finally force him to see reason and begin to see the Kurds as less of a problem than ISIS.

He has begun reaching back out to Russia recently to restore that breach, which hopefully indicates a recognition that Assad needs to stay if there ever is to be stability again in Syria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36663127

On the other hand, we still have quite a few truly incomprehensibly foolish malcontents in the State Department that seem insistent on continuing to feed the fire in Syria...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/middleeast/syria-assad-obama-airstrikes-diplomats-memo.html

These idiots should all be fired.

Rand al'Fain
06-29-2016, 01:51 PM
Erdogan certainly was directly responsible for breaking the cease fire, and probably at least tangentially involved in the terrorist attack on the peace demonstrations by the Kurd students at Suruc that truly caused this maelstrom. Hopefully this attack will finally force him to see reason and begin to see the Kurds as less of a problem than ISIS.

He has begun reaching back out to Russia recently to restore that breach, which hopefully indicates a recognition that Assad needs to stay if there ever is to be stability again in Syria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36663127

On the other hand, we still have quite a few truly incomprehensibly foolish malcontents in the State Department that seem insistent on continuing to feed the fire in Syria...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/middleeast/syria-assad-obama-airstrikes-diplomats-memo.html

These idiots should all be fired.

Even worse, the Kurds (both Peshmerga and the Syrian groups) have been on the front lines against ISIS since the beginning. And Erdogan made sure to stonewall his Kurds at almost every turn until he openly attacked them.

Erdogan at least let some Peshmerga fighters through Turkey to reinforce the Kurds on the Syrian front.

GonzoTheGreat
06-30-2016, 02:39 AM
The Kurds want a country of their own, which would come (at least partially) out of Turkey, thus making Turkey less. In contrast, the only disagreement Erdogan has with the IS Caliph is that Erdogan wants that position for himself.

Davian93
06-30-2016, 09:33 AM
To be fair to him, the leader of Turkey has a stronger historical claim to the Caliphate than some jumped up commoner from the deserts of Iraq.

I mean, lets just bring back the entire Ottoman empire and see how it goes...I would feel bad for the Austrians though as I don't know that they're up to fighting off another invasion.

GonzoTheGreat
06-30-2016, 11:20 AM
Would Erdogan be willing to inherit the Greek debts, though?