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Lady Noble
09-18-2017, 11:39 AM
Newbie!
Decided to attempt the WOT series now that it's completed. However, I'm a few chapters in and I'm not hooked... I'm just coming off GOT and I know they're two different stories (although the coin Moraine gave them in Chapter 2 felt very Faceless Men and I'm wondering if it'll be of more importance later?), but I'm hoping there will be theories and character cross overs like GOT to keep me involved in the series because that's the type of stuff I like most.

Any advice to a newbie to keep me into it?

Rand al'Fain
09-18-2017, 12:29 PM
Newbie!
Decided to attempt the WOT series now that it's completed. However, I'm a few chapters in and I'm not hooked... I'm just coming off GOT and I know they're two different stories (although the coin Moraine gave them in Chapter 2 felt very Faceless Men and I'm wondering if it'll be of more importance later?), but I'm hoping there will be theories and character cross overs like GOT to keep me involved in the series because that's the type of stuff I like most.

Any advice to a newbie to keep me into it?

Expecting more real politik kind of thing? That really doesn't happen until later on.

The beginning of WOT is more akin to Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit than A Song of Ice And Fire. In that it starts in a quiet village area with hints of dark and immense things to come. Its also very "adventure" oriented.

Where GOT explores grey characters, constantly backstabbing one another, Wheel of Time, like Lord of the Rings, explores history, cultures, and the tail of a bunch of backwater kids getting thrown out into the world.

Now, there is some "Game of Thrones" in the series, however its better known as "The Game of Houses" or "The Great Game".

For Moiraine, well, you're right that there is quite a bit to her character. There is a prequel book that actually is about her and Lan, but I'd wait until about half way through the books before going to that. And the coin will play a part.

But something to keep in mind; keep Game of Thrones to Game of Thrones. The Wheel of Time series is very much its own thing.

GonzoTheGreat
09-18-2017, 12:32 PM
There are indeed going to be plenty of things like those coins which become important later on. And there are also going to be red herrings. Sometimes those things may even be the same. In this specific case I can tell that Moiraine intends the coins to be potentially useful to her, but whether or not that works as planned (and what that plan is) you'll have to read in the following chapters.

Weird Harold
09-18-2017, 09:07 PM
Any advice to a newbie to keep me into it?

Robert Jordan excelled at foreshadowing future events and fulfilling Prophecies in unexpected ways. Lots of conflict between predestination and free-will with reincarnation added to spice things up.

Lady Noble
09-26-2017, 10:15 AM
So, it's getting better, :).
I enjoy history and culture in a fantasy book, but I want to either love or hate a character, you know? Not just feel lukewarm about ALL of them.

I'm starting to really like Rand. As the main character it makes sense that he'd be likable. I loved reading him worry about his horse. And how he'd stay behind if Egwene and Bela fell behind. I also think he made Bela run faster. Somehow. Or he piggy backed off of Moraine's power. I'm not sure. That horse better not die, that's all I'm saying, lol.

Lady Noble
09-26-2017, 10:18 AM
Robert Jordan excelled at foreshadowing future events and fulfilling Prophecies in unexpected ways. Lots of conflict between predestination and free-will with reincarnation added to spice things up.

This is definitely what's keeping me going. What I loved most about GOT is how the most seemingly insignificant event (usually just a one-liner) had a HUGE effect on how the story turned out. I'm seeing a bit of that in WOT so far. (The coin, Bela running faster, etc.)

Also, I don't think Moraine is 100% good. I don't think she's evil, but I don't think she's good, either. The relationship between her and Lan interests me. Not sure if it's a Jorah/Dany thing or if Lan is secretly plotting against her.

yks 6nnetu hing
09-27-2017, 01:38 AM
First of all, welcome :)

That horse better not die, that's all I'm saying, lol.

Ok, it's not a big spoiler, but still:

there used to be running gags about Bela being immrotal, or maybe a Forsaken in disguise. Or the Creator. She just doesn't die

If you're still in Eye of the World, yeah, that book has a more "Standard Fantasy" feel to it, and includes a few things known as "EotW-isms" - meaning, stuff that happens or is foreshadowed but then never mentioned again in the rest of the series. It's also the most stand-alone of all the books.

As for getting hooked by characters... Egwene rules and Mat sucks! (in all seriousness, there are whole forums filled with character love/hate, that people feel REALLY strongly about. Some of them you'll meet way further along. We at Theoryland have a rule about bashing certain characters *ahem* Egwene *ahem*)

GonzoTheGreat
09-27-2017, 03:17 AM
We at Theoryland have a rule about bashing certain characters *ahem* Egwene *ahem*)
It's mandatory, but not everyone understands the rule. It is generally considered polite to ignore such ignorance, though occasionally attempts to alleviate it are made.

Weiramon
09-28-2017, 01:46 PM
Burn my soul, it is good to see another noble hereabouts. And a Lady no less.

WinespringBrother
09-29-2017, 01:45 PM
Newbie!
Decided to attempt the WOT series now that it's completed. However, I'm a few chapters in and I'm not hooked... I'm just coming off GOT and I know they're two different stories (although the coin Moraine gave them in Chapter 2 felt very Faceless Men and I'm wondering if it'll be of more importance later?), but I'm hoping there will be theories and character cross overs like GOT to keep me involved in the series because that's the type of stuff I like most.

Any advice to a newbie to keep me into it?

Welcome!!

I have read the series 10+ times but I had a hard time getting through The Eye of the World the first time (read the first 100 pages, put the book down for a year before starting again and getting hooked). Just about all the books in the series start slowly and build up to an action climax that is worth it. There are many many theories and character cross-overs, but you will only see the theory foreshadowing at first, and the character cross-overs once the characters split up.

Just from your first few posts, I can see that the book is making you think about what is going on behind the scenes. You have barely scratched the surface though!! And with regard to having feelings for and getting to know characters, that will definitely happen if you keep reading - The Eye of the World only has a few main POV characters, while future books have many more so that you can see the world from and appreciate different perspectives.

Davian93
10-04-2017, 12:56 PM
The OP makes me feel very old.

And, have hope, tEotW starts off very slowly but it definitely gets more interesting a couple hundred pages into it.

Tomp
10-08-2017, 06:09 PM
You will notice that there are many similarities between the first books in WoT and LOTR.
This is because Jordan wanted to start in a "familiar place" and then take it into new areas with later books.

There will be some political maneuvering later on and there will certainly be a lot of hidden agendas and conflicting motives.
The first 3 books have a definite quest feeling about them and then the series takes on a larger scope with several different cultures being explored in distinct and interesting ways.

I think a few lines that Moiraine tells one of the other characters in chapter 13 is also directed at the reader.

“Ask,” Moiraine was saying, “and if I can tell you now I will. Understand, there is much for which you are not yet ready, things you cannot learn until you have learned other things which require still others to be learned before them. But ask what you will.”

Daekyras
10-09-2017, 04:12 AM
It gets better.
The whole series can be loosely split into sections

Books 1-3:various Quests. Go here. Get that. Get out.

Books 4-6: world(s) building. This is my favourite set of fantasy novels.

7-9: set up and pay off for the sibgle biggest event in the series.

10: shit

11-13: set up for the finale.

14: big finish.

Davian93
10-09-2017, 07:41 PM
Books 4-6: world(s) building. This is my favourite set of fantasy novels.

Yup, mine too.

yks 6nnetu hing
10-10-2017, 01:45 AM
Yup, mine too.

and mine. 6 is the best :)

I disagree about 10, especially in re-reads. Although I understand that when you're reading it for the first time, you'll be frustrated because the story seems stuck. And then it's finished and you'll NOT have to wait before picking up the next one. That's possibly the best part about 10 ;)

connabard
10-10-2017, 01:26 PM
4-6 are also my favourite, I think RJ struck the best balance between minor POV characters and the larger ones.

I will say that GoT is just very much a different thing than WoT, about as different as two fantasy stories can be. I think GRRM is/was better at writing morally grey characters and also devious ones (i.e. Littlefinger) but to be fair I don't feel like RJ really wanted that in WoT. Anyways, I digress.

A lot of characters didn't jump out at me at the beginning, and some I've rollercoastered my feelings towards. I loathed Egwene my first time through, and have grown to love her. Rand used to be one of my favourites, and he is possibly the most well-written, but I've grown to feel when re-reading that I very much─like Nynaeve─want to box his ears and give him the rough side of my tongue.

Also, as has been said up top, RJ was truly king of foreshadowing. Even now, on my 5th or 6th re-read and I'm noticing just how early and subtly he has foreshadowed events that don't have pay-off for several books. It's truly incredible in that regard.

Kimon
10-10-2017, 04:01 PM
4-6 are also my favourite, I think RJ struck the best balance between minor POV characters and the larger ones.


Those three and New Spring are my favorites as well. I miss not having the other two prequels nearly as much as I can't help but wonder still at what RJ might have made of the ending in contrast to the admirable but disappointing job that Sanderson made of it. I've reread even my least favorite of the RJ books, CoT, many times. But I've yet to ever reopen the Sanderson books.

I will say that GoT is just very much a different thing than WoT, about as different as two fantasy stories can be. I think GRRM is/was better at writing morally grey characters and also devious ones (i.e. Littlefinger) but to be fair I don't feel like RJ really wanted that in WoT. Anyways, I digress.

Yeah, if the OP is really looking/hoping for something more similar to aSoIaF, Malazan would have been the nearer analogue.

Davian93
10-10-2017, 06:55 PM
Honestly, I've only read A Memory of Light once...for several reasons but most of all because it not being written by RJ.

It being the very end of a very long road for me as a reader has also made it not something that has made me want to read it again or even do full reread ever again...despite that being something I did a minimum of every year from the early 1990s until the year aMoL came out.

Very odd how that happened.

yks 6nnetu hing
10-11-2017, 01:00 AM
Yeah, if the OP is really looking/hoping for something more similar to aSoIaF, Malazan would have been the nearer analogue.ugh. Hated Malazan (but that's about 50% because I happen to think that Eriksson is a pompous ass IRL, which has little to do with the actual writing, I'm aware but somehow can't disregard) but I see what you mean. Malazan has a similar sense of not knowing which characters are going to live, who are now the "good guys" and why etc.

Honestly, I've only read A Memory of Light once...for several reasons but most of all because it not being written by RJ.

It being the very end of a very long road for me as a reader has also made it not something that has made me want to read it again or even do full reread ever again...despite that being something I did a minimum of every year from the early 1990s until the year aMoL came out.

Very odd how that happened.

Yeah. I only read aMoL once too, it's a painful book in several ways - end of a journey for sure, and still leaving so many unanswered questions... I don't know what would have happened, how it would've been, if Jordan had written it - we'll never know. It's a good book, a great culmination to an amazing series... but it's an end to a very important chapter in my life. One that I really don't want to end, lol. Hence the coming around here all these years :p