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fionwe1987 11-04-2015 12:46 AM

There's a surprising amount of detail on all the Ferrets. Not strength and other minutea, but about their character and their views on some things, and their pasts. It makes me think RJ had a lot planned for them with Egwene.

David Selig 11-04-2015 03:17 AM

I just got it and only skimmed a bit so far. One surprising thing I found is that apparently in Andor male nobles only inherit titles if they have no sisters. Given that so many of the High Seats of the major Andoran Houses were male (9 out of the 19 IIRC), that doesn't make much sense to me. There is also no mention that the Queen is selected by the majority vote of these High Seats.

fionwe1987 11-04-2015 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by David Selig (Post 233885)
I just got it and only skimmed a bit so far. One surprising thing I found is that apparently in Andor male nobles only inherit titles if they have no sisters. Given that so many of the High Seats of the major Andoran Houses were male (9 out of the 19 IIRC), that doesn't make much sense to me. There is also no mention that the Queen is selected by the majority vote of these High Seats.

It is possible to not have sisters, I think. And it may well be that some of those sisters died childless in the previous Succession War.

GonzoTheGreat 11-04-2015 10:17 AM

Or in hunting accidents.

David Selig 11-04-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fionwe1987 (Post 233891)
It is possible to not have sisters, I think. And it may well be that some of those sisters died childless in the previous Succession War.

It's possible, but very unlikely to happen so often. Especially since noblewomen don't fight personally in battles unlike the men. And even among the less important Houses there are plenty of male High Seats.

fionwe1987 11-04-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by David Selig (Post 233893)
It's possible, but very unlikely to happen so often. Especially since noblewomen don't fight personally in battles unlike the men. And even among the less important Houses there are plenty of male High Seats.

But families without female offspring do exist. I'm not sure what the rates are, but a 50% split doesn't seem too egregious. We know Morgase, for instance, had no brother that we know of. I'm sure some families have male and female siblings, but hardly all need to.

GonzoTheGreat 11-04-2015 11:15 AM

Yeah, but male offspring from leading families in Andor can't become king, so it would make sense for them to keep trying until they do produce a girl, who could become queen, if things turn out right. Which would tend to skew the statistics in the direction of "at least one girl" families.

SomeOneElse 11-04-2015 02:31 PM

Guys, anything notable about
  • Ishy
  • Lanfear
  • Shara/ayyad
  • AOL
???

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Originally Posted by Hugin "Poppa" Cauthon (Post 233876)
Well, it doesn't give us a damn thing on Nakomi. Boooooo.

I always had the impression that Nakomi is just... Nakomi and even the author didn't actually know who is this woman. Just some mystery.

fionwe1987 11-04-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeOneElse (Post 233898)
Guys, anything notable about
  • Ishy
  • Lanfear
  • Shara/ayyad
  • AOL

Nothing really new, for any of these.

Dirty 11-04-2015 09:09 PM

Oath rod
 
Hi all, long time lurker, I'm originally from wotmania.

In the oath rod section, I thought it was odd that there was no mention of the infertility caused by the oath rod. I don't think there are any Aes Sedai that had children. Plenty of them had relationships with men. What do you think? Did it cause infertility?

Also noticed that Nicola bonded Areina as her warder. While still a novice.

Looking forward to reports from the book signing! Thanks for going!

KilMichaelMcC 11-04-2015 09:13 PM

Some background on Elyas Machera that I believe is new: he's Tairen, he ran off to the Borderlands seeking adventure at 14, eventually becoming a soldier in Shienar before being bonded by Rina, and met Lan during the last year of Lan's training in Shienar.

fionwe1987 11-04-2015 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty (Post 233902)
In the oath rod section, I thought it was odd that there was no mention of the infertility caused by the oath rod. I don't think there are any Aes Sedai that had children. Plenty of them had relationships with men. What do you think? Did it cause infertility?

I believe the Aes Sedai just use moon tea, like other women.

Marie Curie 7 11-04-2015 11:54 PM

Supreme Council
 
Two members of the Black Ajah's Supreme Council are mentioned in Velina's entry, her and Sedore.

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Originally Posted by Companion
Velina Behar. A Saldaean Aes Sedai of the White Ajah publicly and of the Black Ajah in truth.
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Part of the Black Ajah's Supreme Council, she was one of two women on the Supreme Council who knew Alviarin's name; the other was Sedore Dajenna.
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Her name was listed in Verin's book, but she fled the Tower and avoided capture.

This is obviously written not counting Galina, who of course is otherwise indisposed at this point. Otherwise, there would have been three who knew Alviarin's name.

fionwe1987 11-05-2015 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Curie 7 (Post 233906)
Two members of the Black Ajah's Supreme Council are mentioned in Velina's entry, her and Sedore.



This is obviously written not counting Galina, who of course is otherwise indisposed at this point. Otherwise, there would have been three who knew Alviarin's name.

Weirdly, Sedore's entry says:

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“ She sat on the Supreme Council of the Black Ajah, but did not know that Alviarin was Black Ajah. ”
And Sheriam's entry doesn't even say she was of the Supreme Council, which Egwene implied in tGS.

Marie Curie 7 11-05-2015 12:29 AM

More pillow friends
 
Seaine and Pevara were apparently pillow friends as novices and Accepted. And Talene was jealous of them, because she wanted to be pillow friends with Seaine. Ha.

fionwe1987 11-05-2015 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Curie 7 (Post 233908)
Seaine and Pevara were apparently pillow friends as novices and Accepted. And Talene was jealous of them, because she wanted to be pillow friends with Seaine. Ha.

Yeah that was interesting. And apparently Talene didn't want a threesome partly because Pevara was stronger in the power than her, and she hated to defer to anyone. Though... Accepted don't defer on the basis of strength, so why this mattered at all is beyond me.

By the way... can someone who has seen the notes confirm Amys's strength? There's nothing in her entry. Melaine is at level 17(5), same as Faolain. Egwene once said Amys was as strong as any sister in the Tower, while another time she said she was as strong as Theodrin, who is level 15(3).

fionwe1987 11-05-2015 01:40 AM

About the only piece of future info I can find is about Rhuidean:

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The city was reopened for habitation after the fog that had lain over the site was dissipated. Rand arranged for Ogier to be summoned, for rebuilding, and Rhuidean began to thrive and grow. All clans except the Shaido sent people there. After the city’s transformation, one end of the valley of Rhuidean contained a huge lake, with a river running off to the south. Both were astonishing sights for most Aiel. The city was destined to become a center for trade across the Waste.

rand 11-05-2015 02:21 AM

So, dantordhol has a nice ring to it...

halo6819 11-06-2015 07:30 AM

One thing that has struck me so far is that everyone seems to be ridiculously tall. Is the gravity of Randland less than earths?

Terez 11-06-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fionwe1987 (Post 233909)
Yeah that was interesting. And apparently Talene didn't want a threesome partly because Pevara was stronger in the power than her, and she hated to defer to anyone. Though... Accepted don't defer on the basis of strength, so why this mattered at all is beyond me.

By the way... can someone who has seen the notes confirm Amys's strength? There's nothing in her entry. Melaine is at level 17(5), same as Faolain. Egwene once said Amys was as strong as any sister in the Tower, while another time she said she was as strong as Theodrin, who is level 15(3).

Notes say 16(4).


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