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FelixPax 07-12-2010 08:12 AM

Avatars, Spiders & Mice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Terez (Post 103582)
I am a small, harmless spider, thankyouverymuch.

Why does your avatar look like the unfortuate sister of ahhh ... Jabba the Hut rather than a harmless spider?




http://www.timelineuniverse.net/images/jabbathehutt.jpg


It gets ughhhh...uglier....

"Jabba the Hutt Totally Looks Like This Entree"
http://totallylookslike.files.wordpr...his-entree.jpg


Strange isn't what one comes across when Googling about harmless spiders, Terez?

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/...-lolspider.jpg




Why not use a real spider instead as an avatar, Terez?


Perhaps a Lady Bird Spider as an avatar?

http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/photos...pider-0107.jpg


Now that's a nice looking spider! =o)



This Goliath Tarantula isn't exactly on the small side of the scale, however they are quite neat to observe.

http://www.strangeark.com/blog/uploa...5,0-720229.jpg





Is Moghedien basically a 'Goliath Tarantula'?
Here's a short National Geographic video clip of a 'Goliath Tarantula' in action.



Or maybe Moghedien is a 'Wolf Spider'?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...k_position.jpg

Moghedien did like to hide items of the power after all, like this 'Wolf Spider' seems to have done in this tunnel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...der_tunnel.jpg


Or perhaps Moghedien is more like this cute 'Radio Control Goliath Tarantula' now in Moridin's eyes? :D

http://img.shinyshack.com/l_tarantula1.jpg

You too, can purchase a Moghedien clone for only 24.99 at ShinyShack.com :eek: :rolleyes:




Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwolf
lol. What do you have in common with moghedien? :p

Terez's fires within can create 'balefire' in the forums, greatwolf ;)



http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/u...er_robot_1.jpg


As is in, what was the original topic of this thread before everyone started talking about avatars again? :)


Something about '****** being a Darkfriends' was it?


Or is that only a distant memory? ;)



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What else does Moghedien, Spiders have in common? Perhaps Terez too?


Each seems to have an active dislike of mice, and Valan Luca. :D


Goliath Tarantula are known to eat mice. Moghedien perhaps is a Goliath Tarantula, and Valan Luca has elements of the Hindu deity Ganesha within his character, in particular the ironic mouse found at Ganesha's feet.



Here's to "The Mouse" in many of the major characters:


#1. Doesn't the character who almost everyone love, Mat Cauthon have a bit of a mouse within himself too?

Quote:

Be’lal. Mat shivered. He had heard that name last night, and he did not like it any more in daylight. If he had known one of the Forsaken was loose—and inside the Stone—he would never have gone near the place. He glanced at Egwene, and Nynaeve, and Elayne. Well, I’d have come in like a bloody mouse, anyway, not thumping people left and right!

The Dragon Reborn, Chapter 56 “People of the Dragon” – Mat point of view, with Rhuarc, Moiraine, Nynaeve, Elayne, Egwene in the Stone
#2. Even the savior character of Rand al'Thor has a bit of mouse within himself:

Quote:

“We need the cart,” he said gently. “And blankets.” He was shocked at how easily he pulled his father’s hand from his sleeve. “Rest, and I’ll be back.”

“Careful,” Tam breathed.

He could not see Tam’s face in the moonlight, but he could feel his eyes on him. “I will be.” As careful as a mouse exploring a hawk’s nest, he thought.


The Eye of the World, Chapter 5 "Winternight" - Rand al'Thor point of view with Tam al'Thor
Though Rand seems to have perhaps lost his 'inner mouse' in the eyes of Egwene al'Vere, by the time he meets with Coiren's embassy later in the series (LoC, Chapter 27).



3. Even one future Queen has been called a mouse. Nynaeve.

Quote:

Lan stopped his pacing. “You think the Halfmen heading south have them?”

“Perhaps.” Moiraine poured herself a cup of tea before going on. “But I will not admit the possibility of them being dead. I cannot. I dare not. You know how much is at stake. I must have those young men. That Shayol Ghul will hunt them, I expect. Opposition from within the White Tower, even from the Amyrlin Seat, I accept. There are always Aes Sedai who will accept only one solution. But . . . ” Suddenly she put her cup down and sat up straight, grimacing. “If you watch the wolf too hard,” she muttered, “a mouse will bite you on the ankle.” And she looked right at the tree behind which Nynaeve was hiding.
“Mistress al’Meara, you may come out now, if you wish.”


The Eye of the World, Chapter 21 "Listen to the Wind" - Nynaeve point of view with Moiraine & Lan

4. Perhaps even a current Amyrlin Seat has a mouse within her character?

Egwene.

Quote:

She stared down at her dress, blue silk sewn with pearls, all dusty and torn. Her head came up, and she took in the ruins of a great palace around her. The Royal Palace of Andor, in Caemlyn. She knew that, and wanted to scream.

The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.

The world was not the way she wanted it, no way that she could think of without wanting to cry, but all her tears had been cried away long ago, and the world was as it was. Ruin was what she expected to see.

Careless of making more rips in her dress but as careful of sound as a mouse, she climbed one of the piles of rubble and peered into the curving streets of the Inner City.


The Dragon Reborn, Chapter 22 "The Price of The Ring" - Egwene al'Vere point of view, during her Accepted Test


Min, Faile, Aviendha, Siuan, Olver, Bera, Birgitte, Tylin, Beslan, and even Juilin have all been each mentioned or referred to as a 'mouse' in the series in multiple places. Even the collective group of Black Ajah Hunters have been indirectly referred as a mouse: Saerin, Seaine, Pevara, Doesine, Yukiri. It's not like this post isn't large enough yet is it? Chuckles ... I am getting closer to my main point.


Perhaps even Lanfear has a bit of mouse in her character?

Quote:

“Did you see the gleeman?” Mat asked Rand, who nodded vaguely, eyeing the line of wagons as if he had never seen a wagon before. Rhuarc and Heirn were already on their way back to the rest of the Jindo. The hundred surrounding Rand waited patiently, dividing their gaze between him and anything that might hide even a mouse.


The Shadow Rising, Chapter 36 "Misdirections" - Mat Cauthon point of view, with Rand, Rhuarc, Keille Shaogi (Lanfear), Kadere, Aviendha in this scene, where Mat gains this "Hat"
Lanfear is indeed hiding in the open, yet is she a mouse among the Chosen? Or not?




Morgase unlike Breane had to learn this the hard way, that the advantages of being a 'mouse' can offer another path....


Quote:

Lini’s eyes widened, though, and her breath caught. “You come away from there now!” she snapped, and suiting actions to words, seized her arm and physically pulled her from the window.

“Lini, you forget yourself! You stopped being my nurse a long—!” Morgase drew a deep breath and softened her tone. Meeting those frightened eyes was not easy; nothing frightened Lini. “What I do is for the best, believe me,” she told her gently. “There’s no other way—”

“No other way?” Breane broke in angrily, gripping her skirts till her hands shook. Clearly she would rather have had them wrapped around Morgase’s throat. “What fool nonsense are you spouting now? What if these Seanchan think we killed you?” Morgase compressed her lips; had she become so transparent?

“Shut up, woman!” Lini never got angry, either, or raised her voice, but she did both now, her withered cheeks red. She raised a bony hand. “You hold your mouth, or I’ll slap you sillier than you are!”

“Slap her if you want to slap someone!” Breane shouted back so fiercely that spittle flew. Queen Morgase! She will send you and me and my Lamgwin to the gallows, and her precious Tallanvor too, because she lacks the belly of a mouse!”


A Crown of Swords, Chapter 26 "The Irrevocable Words" - Morgase point of view, with Breane, and Lini at the Whitecloak Fortress
Morgase finally begins to see the advantages of being a 'mouse' and accepts changing into one, later on in tPoD, Chapter 8. Yes, even a strong woman with a heart of lion, can be a mouse if it serves her purposes: “Maighdin Dorlain can watch!” she broke in, at least partly to stop that awful litany. “She can listen!


A Mouse, and Mice aren't all that bad. :)



As Jim once said:

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I had two nicknames in ‘Nam. First up was Ganesha, after the Hindu god called the Remover of Obstacles. He’s the one with the elephant head. That one stuck with me, but I gained another that I didn’t like so much. The Iceman.

Ganesha is this icon below.
Did you catch a glance at the mouse in shown in the lower right corner?

http://vicdicara.files.wordpress.com...pg?w=204&h=300

Jim goes on to conclude:

Quote:

I much prefer being remembered as Ganesha, the Remover of Obstacles.

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X134...f-all-evils%2F


Aspects of Ganesha primary traits and symbols of Ganesha are found within many of the major Wheel of Time characters. 'The Mouse' is one key aspect of Ganesha which is an important part of these characters make-up. Be it Mat Cauthon, Egwene al'Vere, or an inexperienced Rand al'Thor. If Moghedien is a poisonous spider, her 'prey' the 'mouse' better be careful and watch out in TofM book.


Perhaps Beslan and Mat dialog stated the author's view on mice, the most openly and candidly?

Quote:

“She says we are mice,” Beslan said bitterly. “ ‘When wolf-hounds pass by, mice lie quiet or get eaten,’ ” he quoted. “I don’t like being a mouse, Mat.”

Mat breathed a little more easily. “Better a live mouse than a dead one, Beslan.” Which might not have been the most diplomatic way to put it—Beslan grimaced at him—but it was true.


Winter's Heart, Chapter 29 "News in a Cloth Sack" - Mat Cauthon point of view, with Beslan, Juilin, and Thom in this scene

Casabamelon 07-12-2010 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103607)
Wall of text

o_O

Oh my...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terez
How is it that you managed to find the ugliest wolf picture on the internet for your avatar?

Three wolf moon is too blurry at that rez.
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Motorcycle tires

FelixPax 07-12-2010 04:19 PM

Avatars, Wolves
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Casabamelon (Post 103628)
o_O

Oh my...

Yes, that response of mine was a bit on the long side. Maybe a thread split is going to be needed to be called for soon?

Avatar thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casabamelon (Post 103628)
Three wolf moon is too blurry at that rez.

Too many black t-shirts of "three wolf moon" appear under that google term. Pages and Pages of the same darn photo and t-shirt. None any good enough for an avatar in a forum with a grey background.


There's always the Great Wolf hand puppet option? :o
http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/...ppet--wolf.jpg

Or perhaps the Great Wolf backpack avatar? :(

http://www.stuffedanimals.com/v/prod...jaag/20026.jpg

Possibility "simply the best" is good enough?

http://www.oneinhundred.com/upfiles/...l--5253200.jpg


On the more realist side...

http://feralandwild.files.wordpress....wer-animal.jpg


Far better than a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, right?

http://ih0.redbubble.net/work.179395...,ffffff.v4.jpg

However, it's much less dark looking than this Wolf icon.

http://www.crestock.com/images/15100...1517452-xs.jpg


And if your feeling like confusing people with a Dragon, you could try out this avatar perhaps? ;)

http://www.beardeddragonguide.com/wp...on%20mouth.jpg

All in a day's laugh.


Now more seriously this Iberian Wolf is one of my all-time favorite photos of a wolf.

http://melissalately.files.wordpress...10/01/wolf.jpg

What do you think Great Wolf?

Terez 07-12-2010 06:35 PM

My spider is a real spider - a jumping spider (they're cuter than other spiders). It's just photoshopped to have a smile.

FelixPax 07-12-2010 08:30 PM

A Jumping Spider?

She doesn't seem to be a very active spider, given her name.


Now these are Jumping Spiders:

http://www4.samford.edu/schools/arts...regis-eyes.jpg

http://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/wp-c...ng-spider2.jpg

http://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/wp-c...ng-spider1.jpg

http://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/wp-c...ng-spider3.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LbccUVbSRd...der+eyes+4.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2506/475eyessss.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/...0b2059f6b6.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1003/...3c754175f4.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/...50c1b7ff53.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3459/...de4cf7fe47.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3366/...6f802d2701.jpg


http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/...782d7687d4.jpg

Though I wouldn't say Jumping Spiders are completely harmless:

http://i40.tinypic.com/1448ojn.jpg



What do you think of all these Jumping Spiders photos, Terez?


Any up to your standards for an avatar?

nameless 07-12-2010 08:41 PM

The second one from the top is the one she actually used for her avatar, so I'm gonna guess at least one of them is up to her standards :P

FelixPax 07-12-2010 09:07 PM

This Jumping Spider has at least 4 eyes showing, not the 2 eyes which Terez's avatar has.

http://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/wp-c...ng-spider2.jpg

Versus

http://mattmorgan.typepad.com/.a/6a0...a423970b-400wi

There are a few other noticeable differences.

Notice that this Green Jumping Spider has four eyes, unlike Terez's avatar creation?

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs23/PRE/..._troypiggo.jpg



Though I do wonder if Moghedien's spider is 'glowing' or not?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...piders_big.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/...50e97f090f.jpg

Glowing is a sign of a spider, looking for a mate.

Do any Chosen ever reproduce children of their own? Or is that a 'status killer' with the Dark One?



http://insidiousclothing.com/lolspid...n-ur-house.jpg

http://www.insidiousclothing.com/lol...t-thompson.jpg

http://insidiousclothing.com/lolspid...h-like-bug.jpg

http://insidiousclothing.com/lolspid...81-no_more.jpg

Ivhon 07-12-2010 09:17 PM

my GOD!!

Is this what the WOT boards have come to? Sweet Jeebus in heaven! I came here to find out if ******** is a darkfriend - and possibly killed Asmo while (s)he was at it - and what do I find?

A bunch of damn spiders, that's what! SPIDERS!!

Weep, friends. Weep for what is lost forever.

FelixPax 07-12-2010 09:45 PM

Nothing is lost, Ivhon.


I did suggest a thread split earlier, pushing the avatar discussion over to another new thread. Then leave the original topic thread alone, ******** is a darkfriend.


As best I understand it, this avatar discussion begin at Post #74. I didn't join this conversation until Post #81, if your wondering.


All Tamyrlin really has to do, is to split this thread at Post #74 or there abouts.

GonzoTheGreat 07-13-2010 04:42 AM

Tamyrlin? Do?
I think there's a flaw in your plan somewhere.

Quote:

This Jumping Spider has at least 4 eyes showing, not the 2 eyes which Terez's avatar has.
That's probably a result of the photoshopping Terez mentioned. In all official pictures of Cameron Diaz the eye in the middle of her forehead is also photoshopped away.

FelixPax 07-13-2010 08:16 AM

Really Gonzo, do you think Sorilea is a darkfriend?

Overall this idea sounds far fetched to me...


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Cameron Diaz has third eye? o_O

That's curious because she had only two, when I have seen her in person on a plane. All of ten feet away from her. ;o)

Casabamelon 07-14-2010 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103638)
Pictures

FYI, the text on that last wolf picture needs to be updated. His award was revoked when it was discovered that he staged his photo.
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How i met your mother dicussion

Terez 07-14-2010 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103667)
What do you think of all these Jumping Spiders photos, Terez?

I have used a couple of them to make lolspiders. The last one had NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM or something on it. They are not harmless if you are a bug that is good to eat. I, fortunately, am not. Dunno about you. I wouldn't eat you. :p I had a different pic of the clear green type for my avatar at Malazan for a long time. It was hanging upside-down from its leaf, and was a reference to the upside-down chicken of another member's avatar.

greatwolf 07-14-2010 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103638)
What do you think Great Wolf?

:D

Good ones there, though I'm not sure they'll fit the size restrictions. I had several pics of wolves that i preferred to this one, but none was accepted when I tried editing. I'll probably give one of yopurs a go though.

Back to topic, if Sorilea isn't a DF, what would the shadow gain by discrediting her? Would that not make Amys de facto leader of the WOs? Or is it just the shadow sowing chaos without thought?

GonzoTheGreat 07-14-2010 04:20 PM

I don't think the Shadow has much to lose by discrediting her, so why shouldn't they do it?

I mean, even if Amys takes over, there will still be some confusion and a lot of suspicion. Just weeks (or days) before TG, that's not going to help Rand.

FelixPax 07-15-2010 10:21 AM

Sorilea evil? Nah; Avatars; Carolina Wolf Spiders = Moghedien?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GonzoTheGreat (Post 103795)
I don't think the Shadow has much to lose by discrediting her, so why shouldn't they do it?

However if the main aim of the Shadow was to create distrust in Rand towards his own allies, it worked for the majority of tGS book. Post-Semirhage, Elza being balefired by Rand with the True Power.

Sorilea just doesn't have as much direct influence upon Rand, as Cadsuane tried directly to have with Rand.

I'm not at all sure, why there's a debate about Sorilea being Darkfriend? As I don't see it being a plot arc for her character going forward. She's a rival for leadership of the Aiel Wise Ones along side of Amys. A women who's not a Dreamwalker, nor a former Maiden.


Sorilea saw in Egwene, a women who has an Aiel heart...at a time, when Amys was not sure of Egwene aims. Amys saw Egwene as an possible enemy for some time, while Sorilea did not. Sorilea was the one who attempted to marry Egwene to one of her own male relatives; just as Amys & Lian created a situation where Rand and Aviendha would create a relationship over time.

It seems as if Amys has more growing to do as a character, than Sorilea does going forward. Can Amys see the Seanchan as more than a faceless group? Sorilea is far older than Amys is, and yet Sorilea is the one Cadsuane compares herself too: two aged hawks.


More than anything else I suspect Moridin is trying to manipulate Rand; so that he does not learn until its too late what trap(s) have been created by Moridin to capture or kill Rand.



Quote:

Originally Posted by GreatWolf
Good ones there, though I'm not sure they'll fit the size restrictions. I had several pics of wolves that i preferred to this one, but none was accepted when I tried editing. I'll probably give one of yours a go though.

You could resize/resample any image with IrfanView version 4.27 (free) if you lack access to a more powerful commercial software like Photoshop.

Just use Irfanview's Ctrl+R command to begin to resize/resample a photo to meet the 48kb or so limit on avatars at Theoryland.


Little did I know there was a 20 image limit per post, until I started linking to Jumping Spiders. Limits! :eek::eek: ;)



Quote:

Originally Posted by Terez
I have used a couple of them to make lolspiders. The last one had NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM or something on it. They are not harmless if you are a bug that is good to eat. I, fortunately, am not. Dunno about you. I wouldn't eat you. :p

Laugh, glad to hear its safe to be in the same room if your hungry. ;) Which might occur I guess if you happen attend Comic-Con in San Diego on July 25th? Fortunately for you, I don't eat people, either. :p




Wonder if Robert Jordan was thinking of a Carolina Wolf Spider when he wrote about Moghedien's character?


South Carolina's State Spider is the Carolina Wolf Spider, as shown below:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/...ba49b576_o.jpg

Terez's avatar and the prior images of Jump Spiders I posted has my mind thinking once again of Moghedien and her promise:

Quote:

Nynaeve al’Meara, Elayne Trakand, and Birgitte. Those three she would find, and deal with. From the shadows, so that they would not know until too late. All three, without exception. She vanished, and the banners waved on in the breeze of Tel’aran’rhiod.

The Fires of Heaven, Chapter 25 "Dreams of Galad" - Moghedien point of view
Time to strike for Moghedien once again?

GonzoTheGreat 07-15-2010 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103856)
I'm not at all sure, why there's a debate about Sorilea being Darkfriend?

Because she is one of the very few people who knew where Cadsuane had stored the E've. And only a very short time after Sorilea found that out, the thing was stolen and used on Rand.

Some people seem to think that is a bit suspicious.

FelixPax 07-15-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonzoTheGreat (Post 103857)
Because she is one of the very few people who knew where Cadsuane had stored the E've. And only a very short time after Sorilea found that out, the thing was stolen and used on Rand.

Some people seem to think that is a bit suspicious.

I see.

That does not explain away Moridin's prior plans for Semirhage (tGS, Prologue). Plans which occurred weeks before Sorilea ever saw that male Domination ter'angreal.

Elza or Beldeine could easily have been the rats, not Sorilea. All Shaidar Haran really had to learn where Cadsuane keeps her room to find it.

Why isn't anyone suggesting Beldeine as a candidate for the B.A.? And Asha'man Karldin?

Both are stronger candidates for being allied with the Shadow than Sorilea is....

Kimon 07-15-2010 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103858)
I see.

That does not explain away Moridin's prior plans for Semirhage (tGS, Prologue). Plans which occurred weeks before Sorilea ever saw that male Domination ter'angreal.

Elza or Beldeine could easily have been the rats, not Sorilea. All Shaidar Haran really had to learn where Cadsuane keeps her room to find it.

Why isn't anyone suggesting Beldeine as a candidate for the B.A.? And Asha'man Karldin?

Both are stronger candidates for being allied with the Shadow than Sorilea is....

Beldeine and Karldin haven't done anything that raises any red flags, Sorilea has. The only even possible suggestion regarding Beldeine was Egwene's Accepted Test, but in that Beldeine had been forcibly turned, and moreover, it should not be taken as evidence that that has actually happened. There's nothing in her interrogation/compulsion scene that should arouse suspicion indeed, Verin seems to place her in the clear. Note this interchange:

Quote:

"Do you believe he is the Dragon Reborn, Beldeine?" This time she paused to listen.

"Yes." The word was a long hiss, and Beldeine rolled frightened eyes toward Verin's face. "Yes...but he must... be kept... safe. The world... must be... safe... from him."

Interesting. They had all said that the world had to be kept safe from him; what was interesting was those who thought he needed protection, too. Some who said that, surprised her.
So two points. Beldeine emphasizes that he must be kept safe, and gives this priority even over the world's safety. Verin's comment about being surprised about "some who said that" likely refers either to reds or blacks, but either way, there is nothing here that gives the indication that Beldeine is black at this point. So, unless you think that she was forcibly turned at some point after this, there is little cause to suspect her.

Karldin likewise is almost certainly not a DF. If he was, Taim wouldn't have still been pushing Rand to add one of his own cronies to Rand's Asha'man retinue after the Wells. With Beldeine there is a sliver of possibility (upon the basis of the accepted test scene), with Karldin there is nothing suspicious. That doesn't make it impossible, just very implausible.

greatwolf 07-15-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixPax (Post 103858)
I see.

:D

Those spiders look hungry Felix, be sure you're seated next to the right one. :p


I've never really seen spiders as cute beasties, but I hear terez's pretty enough not to need to worry about that kind of image.:)


I think the Sorilea question is quite valid. Its unlike the shadow not to have some high up in the aiel hierachy. But if Sorilea is it, why put her in a position where she could easily come under severe scrutiny?


I think Cadsuane has ignored her simply because its unlikely Sorilea could have removed the wards by herself. But we know she didn't need to defeat the wards. Just reporting the location would have been enough.

Karldin and Beldeine have been off my radar. Why would they be significant?:)


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