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Yellowbeard 11-15-2009 12:39 AM

Atlanta Signing
 
I went to one of the two Atlanta area signings yesterday. It was the evening one.

Got there an hour and a half late. Had to get home from work, take care of man/daddy duties (have a stressed out woman and 3 kids at home), do dinner, etc.

Got there just as they were starting to sign books. Waited for about an hour to get mine signed.

BS wrote "Peace favor your sword" and signed over his name.

Harriet wrote "Best, Harriest McDougal".

Unfortunately I missed the reading/talking/Q&A session. I did get to ask a question Terez put me up to. His answer was no, Heros of the Horn are not always tavern at all in their lifetimes when spun out. Sometimes, they even live normal lives and don't do anything extraordinary, like they sometimes spend their lives as farmers, etc.

Harriet liked the Monty Python Black Knight t-shirt I wore. "just a flesh wound"

Terez 11-15-2009 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellowbeard
Unfortunately I missed the reading/talking/Q&A session. I did get to ask a question Terez put me up to. His answer was no, Heros of the Horn are not always tavern at all in their lifetimes when spun out. Sometimes, they even live normal lives and don't do anything extraordinary, like they sometimes spend their lives as farmers, etc.

Hmm, I'm not sure if that answers the question or not. In the lives where they are not ta'veren - for instance, a life lived as a farmer where they don't do anything extraordinary - could they still be seen as being 'corrective mechanisms'? I guess I should have asked you to ask the second phrasing of the question instead of the first. :(

Weird Harold 11-15-2009 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Terez
Hmm, I'm not sure if that answers the question or not. In the lives where they are not ta'veren - for instance, a life lived as a farmer where they don't do anything extraordinary - could they still be seen as being 'corrective mechanisms'? I guess I should have asked you to ask the second phrasing of the question instead of the first. :(

Matoyak also asked about Heroes and ta'veren -- Brandon's answer there was more direct; Heroes are NOT always Ta'veren, they are corrective mechanisms on thier own.

Basically what I've been saying for years: Heroes Do, Ta'veren just Are.

Yellowbeard 11-15-2009 12:55 AM

honestly, i almost didn't remember what the question was at all. after a long day at work, then a hectic night at home, i was just happy to get to the signing, sit down, and turn off my brain for a while as i waited for them to call my number.

took me a good 40 minutes of trying to remember anything at all about the question to begin with.

apparently mato asked your question exactly as you wished though. see his dallas signing thread.

i did get "bela is a darkfriend" and "i killed asmodean" bumper stickers.

Terez 11-15-2009 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Weird Harold
Basically what I've been saying for years: Heroes Do, Ta'veren just Are.

Actually, that seems to be the opposite of what BS is saying.

Weird Harold 11-15-2009 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Terez
Actually, that seems to be the opposite of what BS is saying.

Oh?

What exactly is it that Ta'veren Do?

Rj said that sometimes HoTH are spun out for mundane incarnations where they aren't required to be Heroic. What has Brandon said that is any different other than explicitly saying that Heroes don't have to be ta'veren to be a corrective mechanism?

Terez 11-15-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Weird Harold
Oh?

What exactly is it that Ta'veren Do?

Depends on the ta'veren - they Do lots of stuff. But their specific ta'veren influence just alters chance - it's emphasized many times that there is always a balance, and to the point that it was an extreme oddity that Rand only caused negative ta'veren effects in Arad Doman. Point is, BS says that Heroes are corrective mechanisms just by being who they are, and in some lives, they don't do anything extraordinary. We should probably get someone to ask him if Heroes are still corrective mechanisms in these lives where they don't Do anything.

jason wolfbrother 11-15-2009 12:07 PM

If it hasn't been asked by this Saturday I'll ask :) since it is my faction and all ;) ;) ;)

Weird Harold 11-15-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Terez
Depends on the ta'veren - they Do lots of stuff. But their specific ta'veren influence just alters chance - it's emphasized many times that there is always a balance, and to the point that it was an extreme oddity that Rand only caused negative ta'veren effects in Arad Doman. Point is, BS says that Heroes are corrective mechanisms just by being who they are, and in some lives, they don't do anything extraordinary. We should probably get someone to ask him if Heroes are still corrective mechanisms in these lives where they don't Do anything.

I can't believe you really have this much trouble understanding the concept.

It doesn't matter what Ta'veren Do, their effect on the Pattern comes from their simple presence.

Heroes do Heroic Things. Heroic Things are not always recognised as such, so sometimes Heroes live their entire incarnations as 'quiet heroes' without being "the stuff of legends" -- or maybe they just get spun out for a potential correction that doesn't develop as predicted so Heroic Things aren't required.

Yuri33 11-15-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Terez
Hmm, I'm not sure if that answers the question or not. In the lives where they are not ta'veren - for instance, a life lived as a farmer where they don't do anything extraordinary - could they still be seen as being 'corrective mechanisms'? I guess I should have asked you to ask the second phrasing of the question instead of the first.

(in my best robotic voice)

Sometimes the only winning move is...not to play.

Terez 11-15-2009 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Weird Harold
I can't believe you really have this much trouble understanding the concept.

I can't believe you're having this much trouble comprehending what I'm actually writing. Oh wait, yeah I can...

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Originally Posted by WH
It doesn't matter what Ta'veren Do, their effect on the Pattern comes from their simple presence.

False, as easily seen from the RJ quote about Darkfriend ta'veren.

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Originally Posted by WH
Heroes do Heroic Things.

Except in those lives where, as BS said, they don't do anything extraordinary at all.

Oh, and JWB, you don't have to ask for the sake of your faction - that's already proven correct, just by the wording, IIRC (I at least know that Callie's faction is already proven incorrect, as it makes the assumption that Heroes are always ta'veren at some point in each life). This is just about further understanding how, exactly, Heroes are corrective mechanisms.

Ozymandias 11-15-2009 07:51 PM

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Except in those lives where, as BS said, they don't do anything extraordinary at all.

I don't ever recall reading anything that says Heroes HAVE to be Heroic. A Hero of the Horn is someone who did something so incredible it warranted having his Soul saved, to be Reborn again in a specific manner. Just because that manner doesn't involve saving the world doesn't mean the soul is no longer a Hero. I don't think its ever been established that just because they are corrective mechanisms, doesn't mean they're always corrective mechanisms.

It seems like it could be a reward; in return for endlessly being spun out to perform the various needs of the Pattern, they're allowed a normal life every once in a while.

If you take a single life of a Hero as a microcosm for their overall history, it seems appropriate... just because Birgitte (hypothetically) breaks into the Stone to free Gaidal Cain, doesn't mean she doesn't have days where she just washes the dishes, or flirts with an ugly guy, or whatever

Terez 11-15-2009 07:53 PM

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I don't ever recall reading anything that says Heroes HAVE to be Heroic.

Then why do you bring it up? I certainly didn't.

Terez 11-16-2009 02:10 AM

This is in the interview database. Thanks Gelb! :)


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