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ShadowbaneX 11-03-2010 08:36 PM

I was quite thinking Marty McFly when I suggested that idea to your Fearless Leader...think more "Save the Cheerleader, save the World."

khon 11-03-2010 09:15 PM

Sometimes a spade is just a spade. Nakomi could just be a very thoughtful Aiel. She could be an Aiel who succumbed to the Bleakness but had an epiphany as to a new direction for the Aiel.

Terez 11-03-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by khon (Post 122040)
Sometimes a spade is just a spade.

Sometimes, but not this time. She can't just be a random Aiel; that doesn't explain the oddities. She has to be either a Dreamwalker or a channeler with more knowledge of weaving than the Wise Ones have.

Davian93 11-03-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by khon (Post 122040)
Sometimes a spade is just a spade. Nakomi could just be a very thoughtful Aiel. She could be an Aiel who succumbed to the Bleakness but had an epiphany as to a new direction for the Aiel.

As T states, it just doesnt fit.

I've just reread that section and I think I'm more lost now than ever on who it was. Verin is a tempting guess but I'm not sure really.

ShadowbaneX 11-03-2010 09:49 PM

Not sure, but it didn't seem to me that this was a Dream. It was after Aviendha returned to her camp and found all of Nakomi's pack and plate were gone that she finally went to sleep. I like the idea that by some way, (a hole in the pattern or just the ability to project an image) someone manages to slip into the past (or into the future from the past?) to give a warning.

I'm also wondering if it was a coincidence that the roots that Nakomi adds to the dinner happens to be the same type of roots Aviendha's mother used to prepare.

ShadowbaneX 11-03-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 122046)
As T states, it just doesnt fit.

I've just reread that section and I think I'm more lost now than ever on who it was. Verin is a tempting guess but I'm not sure really.

I'm wondering if Brandon is having fun with us again. I can just imagine him there, writing that part part, giggling with malicious glee about how nuts this is going to drive us trying to figure it out.

Tamyrlin 11-03-2010 09:57 PM

Funny you should say that.
 
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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX (Post 122090)
I'm wondering if Brandon is having fun with us again. I can just imagine him there, writing that part part, giggling with malicious glee about how nuts this is going to drive us trying to figure it out.

I need to write down one or two questions he answered for me on his way out the other morning...but I need to check with him about something first.

Anyway, he seemed to enjoy the idea that we'd be discussing Nakomi in the foreseeable future.

Xelun 11-03-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamyrlin (Post 122096)
I need to write down one or two questions he answered for me on his way out the other morning...but I need to check with him about something first.

Anyway, he seemed to enjoy the idea that we'd be discussing Nakomi in the foreseeable future.

Enjoy "oh good you didn't miss something important" or sadistic enjoyment? ;)

Tamyrlin 11-03-2010 10:28 PM

More like
 
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Originally Posted by Xelun (Post 122099)
Enjoy "oh good you didn't miss something important" or sadistic enjoyment? ;)

I have no intention of knocking off suspects or ending discussion in anyway about Nakomi...so yeah, a bit sadistic. :)

Terez 11-03-2010 10:32 PM

Yeah, I'm still guessing 'unrevealed', permanently. But I'm not going crazy about it at all. It was Verin, obviously.

fionwe1987 11-03-2010 10:59 PM

I'm thinking more and more that neither Verin nor Lanfear, my second and first choices, make sense.

It seems to me that that Aiel's role is still unrevealed. We have no frigging clue why they had to be kept alive as a people. Merely to provide Rand with huge armies? To train Egwene so she could become Amyrlin? To die off in the hands of the Seanchan?

None of it makes sense. They're obviously going to be very important for the LB, and the AoL Aes Sedai knew it. Plus, the AoL Aes Sedai loved the Aiel.

So here's my crackpot:

It was a ter'angreal. We've once before seen someone (Rand) be pulled into a dream and not even know it. This was in tGH and he saw Ishy in the dream.

My idea is: certain that at some point a person would come to Rhuidean who would change the future of the Aiel and lead them in the Last Battle, the super-old Aes Sedai we saw in tSR left a ter'angreal in Rhuidean that would activate when this woman was near and pull her into a Dream. There, a construct of this Aes Sedai would try to point her in a new direction, in an attempt to end the Aiel's exile in the Waste. Some of what she does seems too close to what Aviendha would expect for it to be otherwise.

There's also this:

"I am far from my roof," the woman said, wistful, "yet not far at all. Perhaps it is far from me. I cannot answer your question, apprentice, for it is not my place to give this truth.

Seems like something an automaton would say. If this is Verin, why wouldn't she give the name of a sept and clan? Why claim to be unable to answer the question? If this is a saved memory of the AS, however, it could make sense. Maybe she lived in a city that was formerly in the area occupied by the Waste. Then, all that separates her from her roof is time, which is why it is far away, yet not far at all.

How's that for crazy?

Tamyrlin 11-04-2010 12:24 AM

How about?
 
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Originally Posted by fionwe1987 (Post 122129)

"I am far from my roof," the woman said, wistful, "yet not far at all. Perhaps it is far from me. I cannot answer your question, apprentice, for it is not my place to give this truth.

That quote does support the Hero of the Horn theory. Far from my roof (broke the precepts), yet not far at all (in T'A'R, perhaps it is far from me (other heroes won't break their precepts, but she believes this is too important.)

jana 11-04-2010 12:28 AM

it isn't bothering me either.

dfchang813 11-04-2010 12:35 AM

Of everything I've read, I guess Verin is the most possible. But I just don't understand why she would do this . . . I've never gotten any vibe reading the series that she really cared enough about the Aiel to do something this specific.

At the same time, what she tells Aviendha isn't particularly earth-shaking. I mean, she tells her that after the Last Battle, the Aiel can't just go on doing what they're doing nor can they really go back to the Aiel Waste.

It seems that this advice, combined with Avi's visions in the crystal columns point to the Aiel returning to their society of old which is the Way of th Leaf.

The Aiel will be important in fighting the Shadowspawn armies of course but I think embracing the Way of the Leaf with the Tinkers may prove a significant role in defeating the Dark One.

Dennis

Azure Skeith 11-04-2010 01:02 AM

Glad I'm not alone
 
My initial thought was that Aviendha had been pulled into T'A'R by a Wise One for the meeting and was afraid it would be a loony thought.

As for Nakomi being Verin... Do we have any idea when in the timeline this meeting takes place? I don't have TGS with me so I don't know when she left in Rand's one, but the chapter preceding Nakomi took place weeks after Verin died if I have any chronological sense left after reading this book. So confusing.

dfchang813 11-04-2010 01:15 AM

The timelines don't match up so Verin may very well have been alive taking care of all the little things she needed to do before dying.

She can also Travel so distances mean very little.

I think it's certainly possible that Verin could have done this, the question is why would she do this? Most of her efforts have been helping Rand defeat the Dark One . . . I fail to see what giving advice to Aviendha about the Aiel AFTER the Last Battle when presumably and hopefully the Light has won serves Verin at all.

jana 11-04-2010 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure Skeith (Post 122150)
Do we have any idea when in the timeline this meeting takes place?

I don't know how long Aviendha's been walking, but she left for Rhuidean fairly early in TGS, and Rand's timeline was about even with Egwene's. So there was plenty of time left before her death.

Lupusdeusest 11-04-2010 03:03 AM

Verinness
 
She just reeked of Verin to me - I actually had to check the timeline in my head. Her mannerisms... the way she nudges Avi is almost identical to her Usual Tactic (most recently seen in her nudging Eg to visit Laras).
I would be heartily surprised were it not Verin. (Mind you, I got Mesaana=Shevan wrong...)

jana 11-04-2010 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lupusdeusest (Post 122185)
She just reeked of Verin to me

Welcome :D

So now we know Nakomi smells like ink and tea.

ArtK 11-04-2010 07:16 AM

Based on her actions, Verin could well be a Hero of the Horn, if perhaps one not often heard of in stories.


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