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Kimon 10-05-2017 02:38 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41506613

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Congress' most powerful Republican says lawmakers should examine "bump-stocks", a rapid-fire accessory used by the gunman in Sunday's Las Vegas massacre.
House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan told a radio talk show: "Clearly that's something we need to look into."
Texas Senator John Cornyn - the number two Republican in the Senate - has called for hearings into the devices.
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It appears a move to ban bump-stock devices is picking up steam in Congress. Some normally staunch gun-control opponents seem willing to consider new legislation. The NRA, which opposes just about any new regulations, has gone silent.
That's going to change soon.
The challenge for gun rights supporters is a bump-stock ban opens the door for a new debate about where to draw the line over limiting a firearm's lethality. For decades it's been at how many bullets can be fired with one trigger pull.
Bump-stocks blur that line. Can you outlaw a device that helps squeeze off rounds more quickly but not think about prohibiting quick-change magazines or limiting their sizes? Or banning pistol grips, which make firing easier?
It won't take many Republicans, with the NRA looking over their shoulder, to grind the process to a halt.
Hopefully at least Bernie won’t side with the enemy again this time, but renegade dems aside, trusting any republicans seems insane.

Davian93 10-05-2017 04:44 PM

So much for the Iran deal...https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...&ICID=ref_fark

What a fucking idiot.

Kimon 10-05-2017 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242839)
So much for the Iran deal...https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...&ICID=ref_fark

What a fucking idiot.

Much like with the cognitive dissonance between Trump and Tillerson on North Korea, the contrast between Trump and Mattis on Iran is very odd. Either his lieutenants are trying to publicly nudge/shame him into doing the right thing, or this is a excruciatingly clumsy version of the old good cop/bad cop routine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/w...eal-trump.html

Here's hoping that this is just Trump's way of trying to back Iran into a corner and agree to some last second concessions, but this sort of diplomatic brinkmanship is both embarrassing and dangerously stupid. We talk a lot (heck even Corker recently said as much) about how perhaps Mattis and Kelly are the only thing standing between us and Trump running completely amok, but if Mattis can't stop Trump from reneging on this deal then it becomes increasingly difficult to see how our Praetorian Guardsmen are having any discernible effect, and if the only reason that they are sticking around is simply because Trump knows that no one else would agree to take any of these jobs.

yks 6nnetu hing 10-06-2017 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoTheGreat (Post 242833)
One of the things Spain has been stressing is that if Catalonia becomes independent, it wouldn't be a EU member. Maybe Theresa May would be willing to start a trade community with Catalonia?

That's not necessarily automatically the case. See the seccession of Greenland and Denmark, where Greenland CHOSE to step out of the EU while Demark stayed in. Now, granted, I don't know the legal background of all of that back then, and the laws have probably changed since then but I imagine that if, say, Scotland, the Basque country or Catalonia were to become independant and would want to stay/join in the EU, they'd get a "fast track" at least, seeing as a lot of the rules and regulations that aspiring members must implement are already in place.

GonzoTheGreat 10-06-2017 05:12 AM

Yes, and they would also get to run the hurdle of "no EU vetoes their application". While Scotland could easy leap that one after May has left, it seems less certain that Catalonia could avoid a Spanish veto.
So, while technically it is not automatically a problem, in reality, unless Spain suddenly becomes reasonable and nice on this subject, it is a problem nonetheless.

Davian93 10-06-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by yks 6nnetu hing (Post 242841)
That's not necessarily automatically the case. See the seccession of Greenland and Denmark, where Greenland CHOSE to step out of the EU while Demark stayed in. Now, granted, I don't know the legal background of all of that back then, and the laws have probably changed since then but I imagine that if, say, Scotland, the Basque country or Catalonia were to become independant and would want to stay/join in the EU, they'd get a "fast track" at least, seeing as a lot of the rules and regulations that aspiring members must implement are already in place.

One option for Scotland would at least be to try to have a relationship with the EU similar to Norway or Iceland's...where they're in the free market even if they're not officially in the EU as members of the EFTA.

Scotland seems like it'd lose a ton more than it'd gain if it left the UK and EU though. When your economy relies on dwindling oil reserves, whisky and promiscuous sheep, you might want to stay with the wealthier part of your country instead of going it alone.

Kimon 10-06-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242843)
One option for Scotland would at least be to try to have a relationship with the EU similar to Norway or Iceland's...where they're in the free market even if they're not officially in the EU as members of the EFTA.

Scotland seems like it'd lose a ton more than it'd gain if it left the UK and EU though. When your economy relies on dwindling oil reserves, whisky and promiscuous sheep, you might want to stay with the wealthier part of your country instead of going it alone.

Seems like the only comparable situation that the EU has had to undergo in the past was with Greenland, due to their separation from Denmark. But Greenland’s situation was perhaps a bit more like England’s than like Scotland’s or Catalonia, as Greenland wanted out (not sure if that was a major instigator for their desire to break away from Denmark, or just ancillary). Much like Britain though, Catalonia may be screwed by Spain and the EU if they actually secede from Spain, and they already seem to be making Catalon-based banks nervous in the same way that is being seen with London-based banks post-Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...u-independence

Davian93 10-06-2017 02:48 PM

Catalonia's entire push for independence is incredibly illogical...to the point where I guarantee that its mainly being pushed/promulgated by hostile foreign elements to help weaken yet another EU/NATO country. Tis truly a mystery as to who would benefit the most from the weakening of democracies in the USA, UK, Germany, France and Spain. I can't think of a single nation-state that would want to see something like that happen.

Kimon 10-06-2017 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242845)
Catalonia's entire push for independence is incredibly illogical...to the point where I guarantee that its mainly being pushed/promulgated by hostile foreign elements to help weaken yet another EU/NATO country. Tis truly a mystery as to who would benefit the most from the weakening of democracies in the USA, UK, Germany, France and Spain. I can't think of a single nation-state that would want to see something like that happen.

Wikileaks and the Russians certainly seem to be supporting and fomenting the secessionists, but they wouldn't be successful in catalyzing these sentiments without pre-existing tensions. Catalan is in many ways as distinct from Spanish as is Italian. They weren't exactly treated well by Franco, nor have they been treated well by the current govt in Madrid, nor even by the presumably mostly figurehead king of Spain. Nonetheless, Catalonia would as a whole almost certainly be better off economically by remaining in Spain (even considering that at present they are by far the most economically vibrant region within Spain - but gaining independence would open themselves to myriad new expenses even if they somehow manage to stay in the EU or ECC) than separate even if they managed to stay in the EU. Had Spain treated this referendum more similarly to how Britain did the vote concerning Scottish independence, this situation would not be becoming so dire.

Whenever Assange gets involved one should automatically become suspicious, but in this case, Madrid seems more to blame than Moscow.

ShadowbaneX 10-06-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242845)
Catalonia's entire push for independence is incredibly illogical...to the point where I guarantee that its mainly being pushed/promulgated by hostile foreign elements to help weaken yet another EU/NATO country. Tis truly a mystery as to who would benefit the most from the weakening of democracies in the USA, UK, Germany, France and Spain. I can't think of a single nation-state that would want to see something like that happen.

Interesting, although, it might be a little McCarthy-ist. I wouldn't it put it past someone to do that sorta crap, or at least work on the existing sentiments. You see similar things in Texas & Alberta. Oil seems to be a common element, or at least the money that comes with the oil. The whole "why are we paying for your poor asses?" mentality.

GonzoTheGreat 10-07-2017 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242845)
Catalonia's entire push for independence is incredibly illogical...to the point where I guarantee that its mainly being pushed/promulgated by hostile foreign elements to help weaken yet another EU/NATO country. Tis truly a mystery as to who would benefit the most from the weakening of democracies in the USA, UK, Germany, France and Spain. I can't think of a single nation-state that would want to see something like that happen.

It is indeed quite difficult to think of such a nation-state when one takes into account that the drive towards independence from Spain dates back to (at least) the 17th century, and in a real way even before that. Off hand, the only nation that I can think of that has remained sufficiently united during all that time is Japan. But why would they be trying to disrupt Europe?

Rand al'Fain 10-07-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoTheGreat (Post 242848)
It is indeed quite difficult to think of such a nation-state when one takes into account that the drive towards independence from Spain dates back to (at least) the 17th century, and in a real way even before that. Off hand, the only nation that I can think of that has remained sufficiently united during all that time is Japan. But why would they be trying to disrupt Europe?

Japan hasn't been united since the 17th century. They had at least 2 massive civil wars (though the first one was a series of civil wars).

Sengoku Jidai (1467-1603) where famous people like Nobunaga Oda, Miyamoto Musashi, and Tokugawa Ieyasu came about. The latter of whom finally brought peace to Japan for the next 2 centuries.

Then we have the Boshin War of 1868-1869, where the isolationists and supporters of the Shogunate fought against the Imperial Supporters and those willing to open their borders.

So, yeah. Even Japan has had internal conflicts since then.

Kimon 10-07-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rand al'Fain (Post 242849)
Japan hasn't been united since the 17th century. They had at least 2 massive civil wars (though the first one was a series of civil wars).

Sengoku Jidai (1467-1603) where famous people like Nobunaga Oda, Miyamoto Musashi, and Tokugawa Ieyasu came about. The latter of whom finally brought peace to Japan for the next 2 centuries.

Then we have the Boshin War of 1868-1869, where the isolationists and supporters of the Shogunate fought against the Imperial Supporters and those willing to open their borders.

So, yeah. Even Japan has had internal conflicts since then.

Japan has had periods of struggle between rival daimyo (i.e. the Sengoku Period), but even then they were still homogeneous culturally and linguistically (excepting for the Ainu on Hokkaido, but they were isolated and marginalized). So even when there was political disunity they still thought of themselves as one uniform Yamato culture. And even during periods when the emperors were little more than figureheads, they still were a continuous line going back at least 1500 years.

GonzoTheGreat 10-07-2017 11:54 AM

That seems to leave Andorra, which, while in a better position geographically than Japan is, seems to be a bit small for such machinations.

yks 6nnetu hing 10-09-2017 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242843)
One option for Scotland would at least be to try to have a relationship with the EU similar to Norway or Iceland's...where they're in the free market even if they're not officially in the EU as members of the EFTA.

Scotland seems like it'd lose a ton more than it'd gain if it left the UK and EU though. When your economy relies on dwindling oil reserves, whisky and promiscuous sheep, you might want to stay with the wealthier part of your country instead of going it alone.

Renewables (especially wind) and financial services are very strong there too. Arguably it might be easier for London-based financial institutions to move their headquarters to Edinburgh or Glasgow in order to stay in the EU, rather than Berlin, Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Vienna, Copenhagen or Stockholm (let's face it, they're not gonna go to Dublin because of stupid history)

Daekyras 10-09-2017 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Davian93 (Post 242843)
One option for Scotland would at least be to try to have a relationship with the EU similar to Norway or Iceland's...where they're in the free market even if they're not officially in the EU as members of the EFTA.

Scotland seems like it'd lose a ton more than it'd gain if it left the UK and EU though. When your economy relies on dwindling oil reserves, whisky and promiscuous sheep, you might want to stay with the wealthier part of your country instead of going it alone.

Scotland want to leave the UK because they want to stay in the EU.

They cant have both.

Hope you had a good time there.

Davian93 10-09-2017 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daekyras (Post 242860)
Scotland want to leave the UK because they want to stay in the EU.

They cant have both.

Hope you had a good time there.

Oh, I did. The scenery was spectacular. To be fair, I did like Ireland's culture, food and music scene far more when we're comparing Gaelic countries but both Scotland and Ireland are great places to visit in general. We also spent a good bit of time in London & Surrey and that was enjoyable too.

I said "leave the EU" too because they've already said that Scotland wouldn't be automatically admitted to the EU if they seceded from the UK so it seems that any independence push at this point would just exacerbate the situation they are already dealing with under Brexit.

GonzoTheGreat 10-10-2017 03:41 AM

Maybe Scotland could kick England out of the UK and then stay in the EU. That'd solve all their problems, wouldn't it? Well, apart from the fact that then they would be stuck with getting king Charles, of course.

Davian93 10-10-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoTheGreat (Post 242867)
Maybe Scotland could kick England out of the UK and then stay in the EU. That'd solve all their problems, wouldn't it? Well, apart from the fact that then they would be stuck with getting king Charles, of course.

3rd times a charm, right?

Southpaw2012 10-10-2017 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yks 6nnetu hing (Post 242826)
bitter, disgusted and sad.

That being said, America: get your shit together and stop hogging "horrible news" headlines.

We've got the Catalan vote to process, the Brexit to manage, the next goddamn real estate bubble to avoid, convince people to go at least flexitarian (did you see that recalculation of the cattle-related methane gas effects on Global Warming? *shudder*), get Brazilians to understand that killing tribes in the Amazon is a Bad Thing,figure out how come North Korea is such good friends with Egypt, and figure out why is Putin so quiet about all of the above, what is he up to...

It's really not that bad here. If the mainstream media focused as much on the good as it does the bad, the world might be a better place. Instead of scrutinizing every little aspect of the shooter's life, let the authorities handle that and focus on the victims. Instead of bashing gun enthusiasts, discuss reasonable measures that would actually work. FOr instance, actually enforce the current laws and keep guns out of the hands of bad people. If gun control worked, cities like Chicago would be safer. The media likes to ignore the gun control laws of Chicago and all the violence that rages there on a daily basis. Enforce the damn laws.


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